Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Why would anyone "strongly dislike" Lance or anyone on the team? I can see not believing in someone, but strongly dislike?

However I do believe, despite how unreasonable it is, there are people here who strongly dislike him.

Three reasons

1. they are insecure and don't want anyone to threaten the guy they like

2. They need to be right and thus have dug in deep

3. They can't stand the people who support Trey similarly to the way they support their guy.

In summary… it's all about them

Worst analysis I've ever seen since I started posting here in 2006.

How about people are upset because we gave up THREE first rounders for someone who is playing like a mid-round pick, is quite likely to be QB3, and has no value in the trade market?

Still falls under my summary clause but thanks. You can hate JL and MS but to hate Trey for something he had no control over says… it's about those people and not Trey.

thanks

So in essence you can say Trey Lance can do no wrong and that it's someone else's fault for Trey looking so timid and indecisive?? People were so quick to say for damn sure that they know what we have in Darnold without context. And I don't wanna take anything away from Trey Lance yesterday cause he played great, but add context to that on why he played great.

With your summary would you say you are innocent in your three reasons??

first, I'm not innocent, we are all people with bias. I also am not a supporter of Trey right now. Im rooting for him and hope he develops but he is at risk of getting washed out of the league unless he can learn to play without needing to be a starter.

If you go back a few pages you'll see me saying Trey played well but only against prevent defense at the end of the game and looked not good before that. He's not ready, that's obvious and I'm not an advocate of playing him in hopes that he develops.

Finally I'm speaking to people hating Trey overall and tearing down his success and failures. Just as the same with people hating on Purdys success and failures. Not speaking to the people who are rooting for him but know he's not ready.

Since when does a prevent defense have tight coverage like this? Oh, and there are five men rushing. This is a blitz.


So you believe prevent defense is when the defense blitzes and plays tight coverage. Gotcha.

(see why I say unreasonable, people?)

Looks like a soft zone to me

How on earth do you look at that and think it's zone?

Because football.

THAT was just a very good throw... PLAIN N SIMPLE.

One of the Trey Lance haters work at ESPN

It looks like Darnold has the #2 locked up but I'm so happy Trey had a really nice outing in the 4Q. That's something positive to build on!

Originally posted by NCommand:
It looks like Darnold has the #2 locked up but I'm so happy Trey had a really nice outing in the 4Q. That's something positive to build on!

That's a shame if he really does have it locked up

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by NCommand:
It looks like Darnold has the #2 locked up but I'm so happy Trey had a really nice outing in the 4Q. That's something positive to build on!

That's a shame if he really does have it locked up

That's just IMHO. He looks smooth, poised, controlled and in command of the offense. Kind of a perfect veteran backup. But it would be cool if Trey instilled the same confidence to win #2 as well for Kyle.

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's just IMHO. He looks smooth, poised, controlled and in command of the offense. Kind of a perfect veteran backup. But it would be cool if Trey instilled the same confidence to win #2 as well for Kyle.

He's in command as long as the primary is open.

Lance played well after another shaky start. Gotta give him props. This is what many have been asking for. Gives us something to be hopeful. Abd yesterday he delivered. Needs to keep it up.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The argument over Trey vs Brock will continue until one is traded or leaves. I'm not as down on Trey as many of the posters are but I'm not as thumbs up on Brock as many are either.

As far as I'm concerned, neither has proven they can or can't play. It's just too small of a sample size. If Brock plays like he did last year for an entire year and then does it again in 2024 then I'll feel like we have a real solid QB. Seven games isn't enough to convince me. Same for Trey. Until I've seen enough to know for sure that he can't play in the NFL I'll just wait and see.

I've seen this picture too many times to jump on a band wagon only to get let down. It's been a long time since we've had a QB that's played well 2 or more seasons in a row or even stayed healthy 2 straight seasons.

There's no "Purdy vs Trey" argument.

Brock is QB1 and he'll probably be our FQB.

Trey is only fighting to secure QB2.

Nice projection after 7 starts. We still don't know if he can repeat what he did last year and again the following year. We don't know if he can stay healthy. Those are requirements for a franchise QB. He doesn't have some of the skills that a true franchise QB possesses but he has the mental part down. Let's see if he can keep on overcoming his lack of speed and arm strength. If you look at him objectively he is very similar to JG in physical skills. Even if Jimmy had stayed healthy he wasn't considered a franchise QB. Almost everyone looked at him as somewhere between 12 and 15. Some had him between 15-20. That doesn't mean the team can't win. They just need to keep a lot of good talent around him because he's not going to take over a game with his physical tools. Have a strong defense that will keep the scoring down and they'll always have a chance.

We've been ove rand ove rLance's issues. It really comes down to experience or lack of it. There's no question about his physical skills but his limitations show u in live action. He looked better last night but he still has a long way to go.

The Purdy vs Trey argument will happen if Brock falters thus season or next season and Trey shows improvement. Right now there isn't an argument about which one should start but the team always needs to be looking 2,3 or 4 years down the road.

^ this drives me nuts. People discrediting Purdy because a half season of being one of the best QBs in the NFL, and by some measures the best QB in the NFL, isn't enough, meanwhile Trey gets excuses because he hasn't played enough. Just go with what what your eyes and the results are showing you. So far, Purdy has delivered incredibly, fantastically beyond the expectation of 32 GMs in the league, and so far, Trey has been disappointing, probably below what all 32 GMs were expecting - especially in a KS offense. Things can change, but we should not be making excuses for winners and we should not be making excuses for losers. Our QBs are what their stats say they are. With the exception of Trey's "fake" TD last week, lol.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's just IMHO. He looks smooth, poised, controlled and in command of the offense. Kind of a perfect veteran backup. But it would be cool if Trey instilled the same confidence to win #2 as well for Kyle.

He's in command as long as the primary is open.

Welcome to being a QB in the Kyle Shanahan offense!

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The argument over Trey vs Brock will continue until one is traded or leaves. I'm not as down on Trey as many of the posters are but I'm not as thumbs up on Brock as many are either.

As far as I'm concerned, neither has proven they can or can't play. It's just too small of a sample size. If Brock plays like he did last year for an entire year and then does it again in 2024 then I'll feel like we have a real solid QB. Seven games isn't enough to convince me. Same for Trey. Until I've seen enough to know for sure that he can't play in the NFL I'll just wait and see.

I've seen this picture too many times to jump on a band wagon only to get let down. It's been a long time since we've had a QB that's played well 2 or more seasons in a row or even stayed healthy 2 straight seasons.

There's no "Purdy vs Trey" argument.

Brock is QB1 and he'll probably be our FQB.

Trey is only fighting to secure QB2.

Nice projection after 7 starts. We still don't know if he can repeat what he did last year and again the following year. We don't know if he can stay healthy. Those are requirements for a franchise QB. He doesn't have some of the skills that a true franchise QB possesses but he has the mental part down. Let's see if he can keep on overcoming his lack of speed and arm strength. If you look at him objectively he is very similar to JG in physical skills. Even if Jimmy had stayed healthy he wasn't considered a franchise QB. Almost everyone looked at him as somewhere between 12 and 15. Some had him between 15-20. That doesn't mean the team can't win. They just need to keep a lot of good talent around him because he's not going to take over a game with his physical tools. Have a strong defense that will keep the scoring down and they'll always have a chance.

We've been ove rand ove rLance's issues. It really comes down to experience or lack of it. There's no question about his physical skills but his limitations show u in live action. He looked better last night but he still has a long way to go.

The Purdy vs Trey argument will happen if Brock falters thus season or next season and Trey shows improvement. Right now there isn't an argument about which one should start but the team always needs to be looking 2,3 or 4 years down the road.

^ this drives me nuts. People discrediting Purdy because a half season of being one of the best QBs in the NFL, and by some measures the best QB in the NFL, isn't enough, meanwhile Trey gets excuses because he hasn't played enough. Just go with what what your eyes and the results are showing you. So far, Purdy has delivered incredibly, fantastically beyond the expectation of 32 GMs in the league, and so far, Trey has been disappointing, probably below what all 32 GMs were expecting - especially in a KS offense. Things can change, but we should not be making excuses for winners and we should not be making excuses for losers. Our QBs are what their stats say they are. With the exception of Trey's "fake" TD last week, lol.

While I fully agree that Purdy is the better talent atm and it's not even questionable Purdy gets passes for missing TD's while Trey get's called fake TD's.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The argument over Trey vs Brock will continue until one is traded or leaves. I'm not as down on Trey as many of the posters are but I'm not as thumbs up on Brock as many are either.

As far as I'm concerned, neither has proven they can or can't play. It's just too small of a sample size. If Brock plays like he did last year for an entire year and then does it again in 2024 then I'll feel like we have a real solid QB. Seven games isn't enough to convince me. Same for Trey. Until I've seen enough to know for sure that he can't play in the NFL I'll just wait and see.

I've seen this picture too many times to jump on a band wagon only to get let down. It's been a long time since we've had a QB that's played well 2 or more seasons in a row or even stayed healthy 2 straight seasons.

There's no "Purdy vs Trey" argument.

Brock is QB1 and he'll probably be our FQB.

Trey is only fighting to secure QB2.

Nice projection after 7 starts. We still don't know if he can repeat what he did last year and again the following year. We don't know if he can stay healthy. Those are requirements for a franchise QB. He doesn't have some of the skills that a true franchise QB possesses but he has the mental part down. Let's see if he can keep on overcoming his lack of speed and arm strength. If you look at him objectively he is very similar to JG in physical skills. Even if Jimmy had stayed healthy he wasn't considered a franchise QB. Almost everyone looked at him as somewhere between 12 and 15. Some had him between 15-20. That doesn't mean the team can't win. They just need to keep a lot of good talent around him because he's not going to take over a game with his physical tools. Have a strong defense that will keep the scoring down and they'll always have a chance.

We've been ove rand ove rLance's issues. It really comes down to experience or lack of it. There's no question about his physical skills but his limitations show u in live action. He looked better last night but he still has a long way to go.

The Purdy vs Trey argument will happen if Brock falters thus season or next season and Trey shows improvement. Right now there isn't an argument about which one should start but the team always needs to be looking 2,3 or 4 years down the road.

^ this drives me nuts. People discrediting Purdy because a half season of being one of the best QBs in the NFL, and by some measures the best QB in the NFL, isn't enough, meanwhile Trey gets excuses because he hasn't played enough. Just go with what what your eyes and the results are showing you. So far, Purdy has delivered incredibly, fantastically beyond the expectation of 32 GMs in the league, and so far, Trey has been disappointing, probably below what all 32 GMs were expecting - especially in a KS offense. Things can change, but we should not be making excuses for winners and we should not be making excuses for losers. Our QBs are what their stats say they are. With the exception of Trey's "fake" TD last week, lol.

While I fully agree that Purdy is the better talent atm and it's not even questionable Purdy gets passes for missing TD's while Trey get's called fake TD's.

Dude, take a statistics class. When you extract a sample from the Population (capital P), it does not represent the Population. I can play the exact same game with Tom Brady if you want me to, cherry picking a suboptimal play and then extrapolating that he's the worst of all time. Or you can successfully run a candy store and then extrapolate that you can therefore run all of Walmart. It just doesn't work that way.

First off, the play above was almost a TD and was not that bad of a play. Second, if you look at the body of Purdy's work, both in college and the NFL, he's a rock star so far, and the best predictor of future performance is past performance. All things considered, Purdy kicked ass in yesterday's game.

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The argument over Trey vs Brock will continue until one is traded or leaves. I'm not as down on Trey as many of the posters are but I'm not as thumbs up on Brock as many are either.

As far as I'm concerned, neither has proven they can or can't play. It's just too small of a sample size. If Brock plays like he did last year for an entire year and then does it again in 2024 then I'll feel like we have a real solid QB. Seven games isn't enough to convince me. Same for Trey. Until I've seen enough to know for sure that he can't play in the NFL I'll just wait and see.

I've seen this picture too many times to jump on a band wagon only to get let down. It's been a long time since we've had a QB that's played well 2 or more seasons in a row or even stayed healthy 2 straight seasons.

There's no "Purdy vs Trey" argument.

Brock is QB1 and he'll probably be our FQB.

Trey is only fighting to secure QB2.

Nice projection after 7 starts. We still don't know if he can repeat what he did last year and again the following year. We don't know if he can stay healthy. Those are requirements for a franchise QB. He doesn't have some of the skills that a true franchise QB possesses but he has the mental part down. Let's see if he can keep on overcoming his lack of speed and arm strength. If you look at him objectively he is very similar to JG in physical skills. Even if Jimmy had stayed healthy he wasn't considered a franchise QB. Almost everyone looked at him as somewhere between 12 and 15. Some had him between 15-20. That doesn't mean the team can't win. They just need to keep a lot of good talent around him because he's not going to take over a game with his physical tools. Have a strong defense that will keep the scoring down and they'll always have a chance.

We've been ove rand ove rLance's issues. It really comes down to experience or lack of it. There's no question about his physical skills but his limitations show u in live action. He looked better last night but he still has a long way to go.

The Purdy vs Trey argument will happen if Brock falters thus season or next season and Trey shows improvement. Right now there isn't an argument about which one should start but the team always needs to be looking 2,3 or 4 years down the road.

^ this drives me nuts. People discrediting Purdy because a half season of being one of the best QBs in the NFL, and by some measures the best QB in the NFL, isn't enough, meanwhile Trey gets excuses because he hasn't played enough. Just go with what what your eyes and the results are showing you. So far, Purdy has delivered incredibly, fantastically beyond the expectation of 32 GMs in the league, and so far, Trey has been disappointing, probably below what all 32 GMs were expecting - especially in a KS offense. Things can change, but we should not be making excuses for winners and we should not be making excuses for losers. Our QBs are what their stats say they are. With the exception of Trey's "fake" TD last week, lol.

While I fully agree that Purdy is the better talent atm and it's not even questionable Purdy gets passes for missing TD's while Trey get's called fake TD's.

Dude, take a statistics class. When you extract a sample from the Population (capital P), it does not represent the Population. I can play the exact same game with Tom Brady if you want me to, cherry picking a suboptimal play and then extrapolating that he's the worst of all time. Or you can successfully run a candy store and then extrapolate that you can therefore run all of Walmart. It just doesn't work that way.

First off, the play above was almost a TD and was not that bad of a play. Second, if you look at the body of Purdy's work, both in college and the NFL, he's a rock star so far, and the best predictor of future performance is past performance. All things considered, Purdy kicked ass in yesterday's game.

Trey this preseason in 3 quarters.

22-33 285 yards 2 td 1 int 101.5 rating

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by NCommand:
It looks like Darnold has the #2 locked up but I'm so happy Trey had a really nice outing in the 4Q. That's something positive to build on!

That's a shame if he really does have it locked up

That's just IMHO. He looks smooth, poised, controlled and in command of the offense. Kind of a perfect veteran backup. But it would be cool if Trey instilled the same confidence to win #2 as well for Kyle.

I agree. IMHO Darnold looks much better than Trey.

PFF had Trey as the 3rd best offensive player last night at 74.8 rating

Originally posted by 4ML:
One of the Trey Lance haters work at ESPN

How do you think ESPN/SportsCenter covered Trey Lance's performance tonight?

⬇️⬇️pic.twitter.com/SaodlP5iqm

— 49ersSpin (@49ersSpin) August 20, 2023

I don't think anyone takes ESPN serious anymore. They haven't been good in decades. It is why they keep having to get rid of people and downsize. They are pathetic