Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by mattster03:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The argument over Trey vs Brock will continue until one is traded or leaves. I'm not as down on Trey as many of the posters are but I'm not as thumbs up on Brock as many are either.

As far as I'm concerned, neither has proven they can or can't play. It's just too small of a sample size. If Brock plays like he did last year for an entire year and then does it again in 2024 then I'll feel like we have a real solid QB. Seven games isn't enough to convince me. Same for Trey. Until I've seen enough to know for sure that he can't play in the NFL I'll just wait and see.

I've seen this picture too many times to jump on a band wagon only to get let down. It's been a long time since we've had a QB that's played well 2 or more seasons in a row or even stayed healthy 2 straight seasons.

There's no "Purdy vs Trey" argument.

Brock is QB1 and he'll probably be our FQB.

Trey is only fighting to secure QB2.

Nice projection after 7 starts. We still don't know if he can repeat what he did last year and again the following year. We don't know if he can stay healthy. Those are requirements for a franchise QB. He doesn't have some of the skills that a true franchise QB possesses but he has the mental part down. Let's see if he can keep on overcoming his lack of speed and arm strength. If you look at him objectively he is very similar to JG in physical skills. Even if Jimmy had stayed healthy he wasn't considered a franchise QB. Almost everyone looked at him as somewhere between 12 and 15. Some had him between 15-20. That doesn't mean the team can't win. They just need to keep a lot of good talent around him because he's not going to take over a game with his physical tools. Have a strong defense that will keep the scoring down and they'll always have a chance.

We've been ove rand ove rLance's issues. It really comes down to experience or lack of it. There's no question about his physical skills but his limitations show u in live action. He looked better last night but he still has a long way to go.

The Purdy vs Trey argument will happen if Brock falters thus season or next season and Trey shows improvement. Right now there isn't an argument about which one should start but the team always needs to be looking 2,3 or 4 years down the road.

^ this drives me nuts. People discrediting Purdy because a half season of being one of the best QBs in the NFL, and by some measures the best QB in the NFL, isn't enough, meanwhile Trey gets excuses because he hasn't played enough. Just go with what what your eyes and the results are showing you. So far, Purdy has delivered incredibly, fantastically beyond the expectation of 32 GMs in the league, and so far, Trey has been disappointing, probably below what all 32 GMs were expecting - especially in a KS offense. Things can change, but we should not be making excuses for winners and we should not be making excuses for losers. Our QBs are what their stats say they are. With the exception of Trey's "fake" TD last week, lol.

While I fully agree that Purdy is the better talent atm and it's not even questionable Purdy gets passes for missing TD's while Trey get's called fake TD's.

Dude, take a statistics class. When you extract a sample from the Population (capital P), it does not represent the Population. I can play the exact same game with Tom Brady if you want me to, cherry picking a suboptimal play and then extrapolating that he's the worst of all time. Or you can successfully run a candy store and then extrapolate that you can therefore run all of Walmart. It just doesn't work that way.

First off, the play above was almost a TD and was not that bad of a play. Second, if you look at the body of Purdy's work, both in college and the NFL, he's a rock star so far, and the best predictor of future performance is past performance. All things considered, Purdy kicked ass in yesterday's game.

Trey this preseason in 3 quarters.

22-33 285 yards 2 td 1 int 101.5 rating

If you think that proves something, you didn't watch the games

It proves people will use stats just to fit a narrative.

Originally posted by 4ML:
One of the Trey Lance haters work at ESPN

How do you think ESPN/SportsCenter covered Trey Lance's performance tonight?

⬇️⬇️pic.twitter.com/SaodlP5iqm

— 49ersSpin (@49ersSpin) August 20, 2023

You probably cant change a narrative destroying a bunch of dudes who will be selling insurance a few weeks from now.

Yeah Trey balled out late in the 4th QTR of a preseason game, that is what he was suppose to do.

Trey has no laurels to rest on, dude needs to get back in the film room working towards next week....and I am sure he is.

That throw from Trey on the final drive to Bell with the yac after was a f**king laser that Brock only in his dreams could throw. Brock better win us a Lombardi to leave the former on the bench not getting game experience.

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by NCommand:
It looks like Darnold has the #2 locked up but I'm so happy Trey had a really nice outing in the 4Q. That's something positive to build on!

That's a shame if he really does have it locked up

i don't think its locked up

Trey had the entire first half last game and Sam had a half worth of possessions this game.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
That throw from Trey on the final drive to Bell with the yac after was a f**king laser that Brock only in his dreams could throw. Brock better win us a Lombardi to leave the former on the bench not getting game experience.

I thought Darnold had done well enough to take QB2 from Lance but now seeing a ton of reports saying either the opposite or that it's still not close to being decided.

So, what needs to happen then? Will next Friday decide it?

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
That throw from Trey on the final drive to Bell with the yac after was a f**king laser that Brock only in his dreams could throw. Brock better win us a Lombardi to leave the former on the bench not getting game experience.

Kaepernick also threw lasers on occasion

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
That throw from Trey on the final drive to Bell with the yac after was a f**king laser that Brock only in his dreams could throw. Brock better win us a Lombardi to leave the former on the bench not getting game experience.

I would calm down a bit it was a great game but I was also against guys who wont have a NFL roster spot in a week

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
That throw from Trey on the final drive to Bell with the yac after was a f**king laser that Brock only in his dreams could throw. Brock better win us a Lombardi to leave the former on the bench not getting game experience.

Bell literally had to stop to catch it. Wasn't even hit in stride.

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by NCommand:
It looks like Darnold has the #2 locked up but I'm so happy Trey had a really nice outing in the 4Q. That's something positive to build on!

That's a shame if he really does have it locked up

i don't think its locked up

Trey had the entire first half last game and Sam had a half worth of possessions this game.

Trey easily outplayed Darnold during camp as a whole and Purdy too but Trey and Brock were very close. Purdy is being given the job based last year not how he played so far in camp. If it was a real QB competition only considering this training camp Trey would be neck and neck w Brock for QB1. But last year happened so Brock gets the nod to start the season.

Unless Trey really s**ts the bed next week I don't see how he is not QB2. Darnold blows and has 55 games of suckage on his resume - to elevate that above a qb with enormous upside that played superior during training camp is insane.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The argument over Trey vs Brock will continue until one is traded or leaves. I'm not as down on Trey as many of the posters are but I'm not as thumbs up on Brock as many are either.

As far as I'm concerned, neither has proven they can or can't play. It's just too small of a sample size. If Brock plays like he did last year for an entire year and then does it again in 2024 then I'll feel like we have a real solid QB. Seven games isn't enough to convince me. Same for Trey. Until I've seen enough to know for sure that he can't play in the NFL I'll just wait and see.

I've seen this picture too many times to jump on a band wagon only to get let down. It's been a long time since we've had a QB that's played well 2 or more seasons in a row or even stayed healthy 2 straight seasons.

There's no "Purdy vs Trey" argument.

Brock is QB1 and he'll probably be our FQB.

Trey is only fighting to secure QB2.

Nice projection after 7 starts. We still don't know if he can repeat what he did last year and again the following year. We don't know if he can stay healthy. Those are requirements for a franchise QB. He doesn't have some of the skills that a true franchise QB possesses but he has the mental part down. Let's see if he can keep on overcoming his lack of speed and arm strength. If you look at him objectively he is very similar to JG in physical skills. Even if Jimmy had stayed healthy he wasn't considered a franchise QB. Almost everyone looked at him as somewhere between 12 and 15. Some had him between 15-20. That doesn't mean the team can't win. They just need to keep a lot of good talent around him because he's not going to take over a game with his physical tools. Have a strong defense that will keep the scoring down and they'll always have a chance.

We've been ove rand ove rLance's issues. It really comes down to experience or lack of it. There's no question about his physical skills but his limitations show u in live action. He looked better last night but he still has a long way to go.

The Purdy vs Trey argument will happen if Brock falters thus season or next season and Trey shows improvement. Right now there isn't an argument about which one should start but the team always needs to be looking 2,3 or 4 years down the road.

^ this drives me nuts. People discrediting Purdy because a half season of being one of the best QBs in the NFL, and by some measures the best QB in the NFL, isn't enough, meanwhile Trey gets excuses because he hasn't played enough. Just go with what what your eyes and the results are showing you. So far, Purdy has delivered incredibly, fantastically beyond the expectation of 32 GMs in the league, and so far, Trey has been disappointing, probably below what all 32 GMs were expecting - especially in a KS offense. Things can change, but we should not be making excuses for winners and we should not be making excuses for losers. Our QBs are what their stats say they are. With the exception of Trey's "fake" TD last week, lol.

While I fully agree that Purdy is the better talent atm and it's not even questionable Purdy gets passes for missing TD's while Trey get's called fake TD's.

Dude, take a statistics class. When you extract a sample from the Population (capital P), it does not represent the Population. I can play the exact same game with Tom Brady if you want me to, cherry picking a suboptimal play and then extrapolating that he's the worst of all time. Or you can successfully run a candy store and then extrapolate that you can therefore run all of Walmart. It just doesn't work that way.

First off, the play above was almost a TD and was not that bad of a play. Second, if you look at the body of Purdy's work, both in college and the NFL, he's a rock star so far, and the best predictor of future performance is past performance. All things considered, Purdy kicked ass in yesterday's game.

Dude talking about statistics classes and says Trey has disappointed with only 3 f**king nonconsevutive starts in his career. Sample size is far too low to come to any conclusions on Trey Lance whether good or bad.

Brock played great last year, was contained vs Dallas, and sadly we didn't get to see how he'd fare against another elite defense in the NFC title game. I wanted to see if he would be contained yet again like the Cowboys d was able to do or if he got back to his prior norm of putting up 30 a game. We needed that data point on him as getting to and winning the title game and just getting to the SB means nothing. Only winning the SB matters so we need to know whether Brock is the type of guy w the physocal tools and upside who can actually beat Mahomes in a SB and not be able to be contained no matter how good the defense.

Put bluntly, 3 career NFL starts is not even close to enough sample size to make judgments on his play being disappointing - I think his play has been pretty damn good for being so crazy raw out of college and essentially only 2 starts in typical conditions. If he gets reps he will ultimately be better than Brock imo due to his physical tools that Brock just doesn't have. There's a reason Trey was drafted #3 and Brock #250. Brock is a system qb who fits great into our system. Is Brock the next Tom Brady that can win SBs as a late round draft pick? He betting f**king well be if we're going to prevent Trey a top 3 draft pick w superior physical tools at his disposal from getting the one thing he needs which is game experience.

Purdy ran the offense in yesterday's game and made one top level throw. It was nothing to write home about other than he looks ready to play Week 1 and make the actual tough throws he made last year. But let's not pretend he did anything special on that drive w two one yard screens giving most of the yardage on the drive. Brock did do special things last year so let's reserve the he kicked ass comments for play that deserves it.

This is the kind of statement that makes no sense whatsoever. Just because Trey has the physical tool doesn't mean Trey will necessarily be a better QB with enough reps and experience.

The game is so much more mental than physical, and that is why Tom Brady is the GOAT and Joe Montana was the GOAT. There are plenty of QBs with better physical attributes than Brady/Montana.

Trey is so far behind in the mental aspect of the game, at this point I don't think other teams will just give him the starting roles so at some distant future Trey might be good. He will need some luck to get playing time.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I thought Darnold had done well enough to take QB2 from Lance but now seeing a ton of reports saying either the opposite or that it's still not close to being decided.

So, what needs to happen then? Will next Friday decide it?

IMO Sam has run the offense better than Trey over the past 2 weeks. Trey ran the uptempo nearly to perfection though.

I personally think Sam allows for us to stick to the game plan if he needs to sub in for Purdy. Where as Trey we'd have to either scrap it or watch him struggle through it.

Just my opinion

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Trey easily outplayed Darnold during camp as a whole and Purdy too. Purdy is being given the job based last year not how he played so far in camp. If it was a real QB competition only considering this training camp Trey would be neck and neck w Brock for QB1. But last year happened so Brock gets the nod to start the season.

Unless Trey really s**ts the bed next week I don't see how he is not QB2. Darnold blows and has 55 games of suckage on his resume - to elevate that above a qb with enormous upside that played superior during training camp is insane.

Not many people who attended camp have said Trey outplayed Purdy I don't think really anyone has said that. It could've been rust for sure but against raiders last week he got the start and played a mix of 1st and 2nd teamers and he did not look good. He did dominate yesterday, but it was against 4th stringers by that point. I think a good 2nd stringer does that (have a bit of trouble against 1st and 2nd stringers but dominates lower competition). When Purdy is out there the offense just looks so much cleaner for a lack of a better word

Originally posted by krizay:
IMO Sam has run the offense better than Trey over the past 2 weeks. Trey ran the uptempo nearly to perfection though.

I personally think Sam allows for us to stick to the game plan if he needs to sub in for Purdy. Where as Trey we'd have to either scrap it or watch him struggle through it.

Just my opinion

i think Darnold is much better in PA Trey is better up tempo

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The argument over Trey vs Brock will continue until one is traded or leaves. I'm not as down on Trey as many of the posters are but I'm not as thumbs up on Brock as many are either.

As far as I'm concerned, neither has proven they can or can't play. It's just too small of a sample size. If Brock plays like he did last year for an entire year and then does it again in 2024 then I'll feel like we have a real solid QB. Seven games isn't enough to convince me. Same for Trey. Until I've seen enough to know for sure that he can't play in the NFL I'll just wait and see.

I've seen this picture too many times to jump on a band wagon only to get let down. It's been a long time since we've had a QB that's played well 2 or more seasons in a row or even stayed healthy 2 straight seasons.

There's no "Purdy vs Trey" argument.

Brock is QB1 and he'll probably be our FQB.

Trey is only fighting to secure QB2.

Nice projection after 7 starts. We still don't know if he can repeat what he did last year and again the following year. We don't know if he can stay healthy. Those are requirements for a franchise QB. He doesn't have some of the skills that a true franchise QB possesses but he has the mental part down. Let's see if he can keep on overcoming his lack of speed and arm strength. If you look at him objectively he is very similar to JG in physical skills. Even if Jimmy had stayed healthy he wasn't considered a franchise QB. Almost everyone looked at him as somewhere between 12 and 15. Some had him between 15-20. That doesn't mean the team can't win. They just need to keep a lot of good talent around him because he's not going to take over a game with his physical tools. Have a strong defense that will keep the scoring down and they'll always have a chance.

We've been ove rand ove rLance's issues. It really comes down to experience or lack of it. There's no question about his physical skills but his limitations show u in live action. He looked better last night but he still has a long way to go.

The Purdy vs Trey argument will happen if Brock falters thus season or next season and Trey shows improvement. Right now there isn't an argument about which one should start but the team always needs to be looking 2,3 or 4 years down the road.

^ this drives me nuts. People discrediting Purdy because a half season of being one of the best QBs in the NFL, and by some measures the best QB in the NFL, isn't enough, meanwhile Trey gets excuses because he hasn't played enough. Just go with what what your eyes and the results are showing you. So far, Purdy has delivered incredibly, fantastically beyond the expectation of 32 GMs in the league, and so far, Trey has been disappointing, probably below what all 32 GMs were expecting - especially in a KS offense. Things can change, but we should not be making excuses for winners and we should not be making excuses for losers. Our QBs are what their stats say they are. With the exception of Trey's "fake" TD last week, lol.

While I fully agree that Purdy is the better talent atm and it's not even questionable Purdy gets passes for missing TD's while Trey get's called fake TD's.

Dude, take a statistics class. When you extract a sample from the Population (capital P), it does not represent the Population. I can play the exact same game with Tom Brady if you want me to, cherry picking a suboptimal play and then extrapolating that he's the worst of all time. Or you can successfully run a candy store and then extrapolate that you can therefore run all of Walmart. It just doesn't work that way.

First off, the play above was almost a TD and was not that bad of a play. Second, if you look at the body of Purdy's work, both in college and the NFL, he's a rock star so far, and the best predictor of future performance is past performance. All things considered, Purdy kicked ass in yesterday's game.

Dude talking about statistics classes and says Trey has disappointed with only 3 f**king nonconsevutive starts in his career. Sample size is far too low to come to any conclusions on Trey Lance whether good or bad.

Brock played great last year, was contained vs Dallas, and sadly we didn't get to see how he'd fare against another elite defense in the NFC title game. I wanted to see if he would be contained yet again like the Cowboys d was able to do or if he got back to his prior norm of putting up 30 a game. We needed that data point on him as getting to and winning the title game and just getting to the SB means nothing. Only winning the SB matters so we need to know whether Brock is the type of guy w the physocal tools and upside who can actually beat Mahomes in a SB and not be able to be contained no matter how good the defense.

Put bluntly, 3 career NFL starts is not even close to enough sample size to make judgments on his play being disappointing - I think his play has been pretty damn good for being so crazy raw out of college and essentially only 2 starts in typical conditions. If he gets reps he will ultimately be better than Brock imo due to his physical tools that Brock just doesn't have. There's a reason Trey was drafted #3 and Brock #250. Brock is a system qb who fits great into our system. Is Brock the next Tom Brady that can win SBs as a late round draft pick? He betting f**king well be if we're going to prevent Trey a top 3 draft pick w superior physical tools at his disposal from getting the one thing he needs which is game experience.

Purdy ran the offense in yesterday's game and made one top level throw. It was nothing to write home about other than he looks ready to play Week 1 and make the actual tough throws he made last year. But let's not pretend he did anything special on that drive w two one yard screens giving most of the yardage on the drive. Brock did do special things last year so let's reserve the he kicked ass comments for play that deserves it.

This is the kind of statement that makes no sense whatsoever. Just because Trey has the physical tool doesn't mean Trey will necessarily be a better QB with enough reps and experience.

The game is so much more mental than physical, and that is why Tom Brady is the GOAT and Joe Montana was the GOAT. There are plenty of QBs with better physical attributes than Brady/Montana.

Trey is so far behind in the mental aspect of the game, at this point I don't think other teams will just give him the starting roles so at some distant future Trey might be good. He will need some luck to get playing time.

He's only behind mentally due to reps. Not because he is mentally deficient. He scored elite on the same cognitive test Brock scored elite on.

The ONLY reason Trey is not QB1 right now is because of Brock playing at an elite level last season. Not because Trey sucks or is not ready. He is ready that's why he was our QB1 to start last season.