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Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
That throw from Trey on the final drive to Bell with the yac after was a f**king laser that Brock only in his dreams could throw. Brock better win us a Lombardi to leave the former on the bench not getting game experience.
Originally posted by 4ML:
Don't forget this beauty.
A lot of Trey Lance's best throws yesterday were called back due to penalties or dropped, including this one. Maybe my favorite pass of the day.
— Rob "Stats" Guerrera (@StatsOnFire) August 20, 2023
Climbed the pocket, got out wide to be able to run but kept his eyes downfield and delivered a nice pass with touch. pic.twitter.com/KAwOcLS8Zb
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Originally posted by Shemp:
Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Originally posted by Shemp:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by Koldo:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The argument over Trey vs Brock will continue until one is traded or leaves. I'm not as down on Trey as many of the posters are but I'm not as thumbs up on Brock as many are either.
As far as I'm concerned, neither has proven they can or can't play. It's just too small of a sample size. If Brock plays like he did last year for an entire year and then does it again in 2024 then I'll feel like we have a real solid QB. Seven games isn't enough to convince me. Same for Trey. Until I've seen enough to know for sure that he can't play in the NFL I'll just wait and see.
I've seen this picture too many times to jump on a band wagon only to get let down. It's been a long time since we've had a QB that's played well 2 or more seasons in a row or even stayed healthy 2 straight seasons.
There's no "Purdy vs Trey" argument.
Brock is QB1 and he'll probably be our FQB.
Trey is only fighting to secure QB2.
Nice projection after 7 starts. We still don't know if he can repeat what he did last year and again the following year. We don't know if he can stay healthy. Those are requirements for a franchise QB. He doesn't have some of the skills that a true franchise QB possesses but he has the mental part down. Let's see if he can keep on overcoming his lack of speed and arm strength. If you look at him objectively he is very similar to JG in physical skills. Even if Jimmy had stayed healthy he wasn't considered a franchise QB. Almost everyone looked at him as somewhere between 12 and 15. Some had him between 15-20. That doesn't mean the team can't win. They just need to keep a lot of good talent around him because he's not going to take over a game with his physical tools. Have a strong defense that will keep the scoring down and they'll always have a chance.
We've been ove rand ove rLance's issues. It really comes down to experience or lack of it. There's no question about his physical skills but his limitations show u in live action. He looked better last night but he still has a long way to go.
The Purdy vs Trey argument will happen if Brock falters thus season or next season and Trey shows improvement. Right now there isn't an argument about which one should start but the team always needs to be looking 2,3 or 4 years down the road.
^ this drives me nuts. People discrediting Purdy because a half season of being one of the best QBs in the NFL, and by some measures the best QB in the NFL, isn't enough, meanwhile Trey gets excuses because he hasn't played enough. Just go with what what your eyes and the results are showing you. So far, Purdy has delivered incredibly, fantastically beyond the expectation of 32 GMs in the league, and so far, Trey has been disappointing, probably below what all 32 GMs were expecting - especially in a KS offense. Things can change, but we should not be making excuses for winners and we should not be making excuses for losers. Our QBs are what their stats say they are. With the exception of Trey's "fake" TD last week, lol.
While I fully agree that Purdy is the better talent atm and it's not even questionable Purdy gets passes for missing TD's while Trey get's called fake TD's.
Dude, take a statistics class. When you extract a sample from the Population (capital P), it does not represent the Population. I can play the exact same game with Tom Brady if you want me to, cherry picking a suboptimal play and then extrapolating that he's the worst of all time. Or you can successfully run a candy store and then extrapolate that you can therefore run all of Walmart. It just doesn't work that way.
First off, the play above was almost a TD and was not that bad of a play. Second, if you look at the body of Purdy's work, both in college and the NFL, he's a rock star so far, and the best predictor of future performance is past performance. All things considered, Purdy kicked ass in yesterday's game.
Dude talking about statistics classes and says Trey has disappointed with only 3 f**king nonconsevutive starts in his career. Sample size is far too low to come to any conclusions on Trey Lance whether good or bad.
Brock played great last year, was contained vs Dallas, and sadly we didn't get to see how he'd fare against another elite defense in the NFC title game. I wanted to see if he would be contained yet again like the Cowboys d was able to do or if he got back to his prior norm of putting up 30 a game. We needed that data point on him as getting to and winning the title game and just getting to the SB means nothing. Only winning the SB matters so we need to know whether Brock is the type of guy w the physocal tools and upside who can actually beat Mahomes in a SB and not be able to be contained no matter how good the defense.
Put bluntly, 3 career NFL starts is not even close to enough sample size to make judgments on his play being disappointing - I think his play has been pretty damn good for being so crazy raw out of college and essentially only 2 starts in typical conditions. If he gets reps he will ultimately be better than Brock imo due to his physical tools that Brock just doesn't have. There's a reason Trey was drafted #3 and Brock #250. Brock is a system qb who fits great into our system. Is Brock the next Tom Brady that can win SBs as a late round draft pick? He betting f**king well be if we're going to prevent Trey a top 3 draft pick w superior physical tools at his disposal from getting the one thing he needs which is game experience.
Purdy ran the offense in yesterday's game and made one top level throw. It was nothing to write home about other than he looks ready to play Week 1 and make the actual tough throws he made last year. But let's not pretend he did anything special on that drive w two one yard screens giving most of the yardage on the drive. Brock did do special things last year so let's reserve the he kicked ass comments for play that deserves it.
This is the kind of statement that makes no sense whatsoever. Just because Trey has the physical tool doesn't mean Trey will necessarily be a better QB with enough reps and experience.
The game is so much more mental than physical, and that is why Tom Brady is the GOAT and Joe Montana was the GOAT. There are plenty of QBs with better physical attributes than Brady/Montana.
Trey is so far behind in the mental aspect of the game, at this point I don't think other teams will just give him the starting roles so at some distant future Trey might be good. He will need some luck to get playing time.
He's only behind mentally due to reps. Not because he is mentally deficient. He scored elite on the same cognitive test Brock scored elite on.
The ONLY reason Trey is not QB1 right now is because of Brock playing at an elite level last season. Not because Trey sucks or is not ready. He is ready that's why he was our QB1 to start last season.
The point is you don't know that. You don't know how much a player can improve on mentally. It is an unknown.
Also, there are people who are book smart but not football smart. Book smart meaning they know the plays, know how to read the defense, know where to go with the ball base on the pre-snap read, but they just can't make the right decision in a split of a second.
Also, Trey didn't win the QB1 job last season, he was being handed the job. Kyle in an interview said Brock was the best QB during last year's training camp, but they had to go with Trey because of the investment the team made.
And you know what, if Trey was that good last season, he would have been handed the QB2 job, not demoted from QB1 all the way to competing for QB2.
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
I though one of Lance best play was looking off the safety and throwing a nice pass to Latu down the seam. Last week, he was staring down receivers and hesitating. This week, he was looking off defenders and just letting it rip.
The interception was pretty bad and something he needs to work on. IIRC he was picked off by Kerry Hyder for a pick 6 in OTAs the same way.
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
I guess we can stop s**ttig on Brock for throwing screen passes when even those aren't as gimmes as some thought lol
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
I though one of Lance best play was looking off the safety and throwing a nice pass to Latu down the seam. Last week, he was staring down receivers and hesitating. This week, he was looking off defenders and just letting it rip.
The interception was pretty bad and something he needs to work on. IIRC he was picked off by Kerry Hyder for a pick 6 in OTAs the same way.
Nah it wasn't pretty bad.
A couple almost-INTs were much worse, actually.
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
I guess we can stop s**ttig on Brock for throwing screen passes when even those aren't as gimmes as some thought lol
It's clearly a gimmie,....lol. Dude just needs reps. No biggie on that one and the linemen made a great play as Shanny said.
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
That throw from Trey on the final drive to Bell with the yac after was a f**king laser that Brock only in his dreams could throw. Brock better win us a Lombardi to leave the former on the bench not getting game experience.
This is the same guy that hoped Brock would remain hurt until at least week 6 so that Lance can get reps. I'm sure he was happy too see Brock return waaay ahead of a schedule.
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Originally posted by Shemp:
Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Originally posted by Shemp:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by Koldo:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The argument over Trey vs Brock will continue until one is traded or leaves. I'm not as down on Trey as many of the posters are but I'm not as thumbs up on Brock as many are either.
As far as I'm concerned, neither has proven they can or can't play. It's just too small of a sample size. If Brock plays like he did last year for an entire year and then does it again in 2024 then I'll feel like we have a real solid QB. Seven games isn't enough to convince me. Same for Trey. Until I've seen enough to know for sure that he can't play in the NFL I'll just wait and see.
I've seen this picture too many times to jump on a band wagon only to get let down. It's been a long time since we've had a QB that's played well 2 or more seasons in a row or even stayed healthy 2 straight seasons.
There's no "Purdy vs Trey" argument.
Brock is QB1 and he'll probably be our FQB.
Trey is only fighting to secure QB2.
Nice projection after 7 starts. We still don't know if he can repeat what he did last year and again the following year. We don't know if he can stay healthy. Those are requirements for a franchise QB. He doesn't have some of the skills that a true franchise QB possesses but he has the mental part down. Let's see if he can keep on overcoming his lack of speed and arm strength. If you look at him objectively he is very similar to JG in physical skills. Even if Jimmy had stayed healthy he wasn't considered a franchise QB. Almost everyone looked at him as somewhere between 12 and 15. Some had him between 15-20. That doesn't mean the team can't win. They just need to keep a lot of good talent around him because he's not going to take over a game with his physical tools. Have a strong defense that will keep the scoring down and they'll always have a chance.
We've been ove rand ove rLance's issues. It really comes down to experience or lack of it. There's no question about his physical skills but his limitations show u in live action. He looked better last night but he still has a long way to go.
The Purdy vs Trey argument will happen if Brock falters thus season or next season and Trey shows improvement. Right now there isn't an argument about which one should start but the team always needs to be looking 2,3 or 4 years down the road.
^ this drives me nuts. People discrediting Purdy because a half season of being one of the best QBs in the NFL, and by some measures the best QB in the NFL, isn't enough, meanwhile Trey gets excuses because he hasn't played enough. Just go with what what your eyes and the results are showing you. So far, Purdy has delivered incredibly, fantastically beyond the expectation of 32 GMs in the league, and so far, Trey has been disappointing, probably below what all 32 GMs were expecting - especially in a KS offense. Things can change, but we should not be making excuses for winners and we should not be making excuses for losers. Our QBs are what their stats say they are. With the exception of Trey's "fake" TD last week, lol.
While I fully agree that Purdy is the better talent atm and it's not even questionable Purdy gets passes for missing TD's while Trey get's called fake TD's.
Dude, take a statistics class. When you extract a sample from the Population (capital P), it does not represent the Population. I can play the exact same game with Tom Brady if you want me to, cherry picking a suboptimal play and then extrapolating that he's the worst of all time. Or you can successfully run a candy store and then extrapolate that you can therefore run all of Walmart. It just doesn't work that way.
First off, the play above was almost a TD and was not that bad of a play. Second, if you look at the body of Purdy's work, both in college and the NFL, he's a rock star so far, and the best predictor of future performance is past performance. All things considered, Purdy kicked ass in yesterday's game.
Dude talking about statistics classes and says Trey has disappointed with only 3 f**king nonconsevutive starts in his career. Sample size is far too low to come to any conclusions on Trey Lance whether good or bad.
Brock played great last year, was contained vs Dallas, and sadly we didn't get to see how he'd fare against another elite defense in the NFC title game. I wanted to see if he would be contained yet again like the Cowboys d was able to do or if he got back to his prior norm of putting up 30 a game. We needed that data point on him as getting to and winning the title game and just getting to the SB means nothing. Only winning the SB matters so we need to know whether Brock is the type of guy w the physocal tools and upside who can actually beat Mahomes in a SB and not be able to be contained no matter how good the defense.
Put bluntly, 3 career NFL starts is not even close to enough sample size to make judgments on his play being disappointing - I think his play has been pretty damn good for being so crazy raw out of college and essentially only 2 starts in typical conditions. If he gets reps he will ultimately be better than Brock imo due to his physical tools that Brock just doesn't have. There's a reason Trey was drafted #3 and Brock #250. Brock is a system qb who fits great into our system. Is Brock the next Tom Brady that can win SBs as a late round draft pick? He betting f**king well be if we're going to prevent Trey a top 3 draft pick w superior physical tools at his disposal from getting the one thing he needs which is game experience.
Purdy ran the offense in yesterday's game and made one top level throw. It was nothing to write home about other than he looks ready to play Week 1 and make the actual tough throws he made last year. But let's not pretend he did anything special on that drive w two one yard screens giving most of the yardage on the drive. Brock did do special things last year so let's reserve the he kicked ass comments for play that deserves it.
This is the kind of statement that makes no sense whatsoever. Just because Trey has the physical tool doesn't mean Trey will necessarily be a better QB with enough reps and experience.
The game is so much more mental than physical, and that is why Tom Brady is the GOAT and Joe Montana was the GOAT. There are plenty of QBs with better physical attributes than Brady/Montana.
Trey is so far behind in the mental aspect of the game, at this point I don't think other teams will just give him the starting roles so at some distant future Trey might be good. He will need some luck to get playing time.
He's only behind mentally due to reps. Not because he is mentally deficient. He scored elite on the same cognitive test Brock scored elite on.
The ONLY reason Trey is not QB1 right now is because of Brock playing at an elite level last season. Not because Trey sucks or is not ready. He is ready that's why he was our QB1 to start last season.
The point is you don't know that. You don't know how much a player can improve on mentally. It is an unknown.
Also, there are people who are book smart but not football smart. Book smart meaning they know the plays, know how to read the defense, know where to go with the ball base on the pre-snap read, but they just can't make the right decision in a split of a second.
Also, Trey didn't win the QB1 job last season, he was being handed the job. Kyle in an interview said Brock was the best QB during last year's training camp, but they had to go with Trey because of the investment the team made.
And you know what, if Trey was that good last season, he would have been handed the QB2 job, not demoted from QB1 all the way to competing for QB2.
Trey didn't get to play last season lol as he got injured at the beginning of Game 2. There was no last season for Trey as his ankle was shattered in half.
NO ONE KNOWS how good or bad Trey is as it requires a sample size of games played and data points to come to any sort of conclusion.
Fact is he is a blue chip talent draft #3 overall for a reason. We are not talking about a 3rd round pick. If not for Brock's stellar play last year we'd still be in great hands with Trey leading us going into this season as QB1 no different than last year. The point with Trey was never how he looked in the first few games it was how he looked in Week 17 w 17 starts under his belt for a Super Bowl run.
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Originally posted by Shemp:
Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Originally posted by Shemp:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by Koldo:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The argument over Trey vs Brock will continue until one is traded or leaves. I'm not as down on Trey as many of the posters are but I'm not as thumbs up on Brock as many are either.
As far as I'm concerned, neither has proven they can or can't play. It's just too small of a sample size. If Brock plays like he did last year for an entire year and then does it again in 2024 then I'll feel like we have a real solid QB. Seven games isn't enough to convince me. Same for Trey. Until I've seen enough to know for sure that he can't play in the NFL I'll just wait and see.
I've seen this picture too many times to jump on a band wagon only to get let down. It's been a long time since we've had a QB that's played well 2 or more seasons in a row or even stayed healthy 2 straight seasons.
There's no "Purdy vs Trey" argument.
Brock is QB1 and he'll probably be our FQB.
Trey is only fighting to secure QB2.
Nice projection after 7 starts. We still don't know if he can repeat what he did last year and again the following year. We don't know if he can stay healthy. Those are requirements for a franchise QB. He doesn't have some of the skills that a true franchise QB possesses but he has the mental part down. Let's see if he can keep on overcoming his lack of speed and arm strength. If you look at him objectively he is very similar to JG in physical skills. Even if Jimmy had stayed healthy he wasn't considered a franchise QB. Almost everyone looked at him as somewhere between 12 and 15. Some had him between 15-20. That doesn't mean the team can't win. They just need to keep a lot of good talent around him because he's not going to take over a game with his physical tools. Have a strong defense that will keep the scoring down and they'll always have a chance.
We've been ove rand ove rLance's issues. It really comes down to experience or lack of it. There's no question about his physical skills but his limitations show u in live action. He looked better last night but he still has a long way to go.
The Purdy vs Trey argument will happen if Brock falters thus season or next season and Trey shows improvement. Right now there isn't an argument about which one should start but the team always needs to be looking 2,3 or 4 years down the road.
^ this drives me nuts. People discrediting Purdy because a half season of being one of the best QBs in the NFL, and by some measures the best QB in the NFL, isn't enough, meanwhile Trey gets excuses because he hasn't played enough. Just go with what what your eyes and the results are showing you. So far, Purdy has delivered incredibly, fantastically beyond the expectation of 32 GMs in the league, and so far, Trey has been disappointing, probably below what all 32 GMs were expecting - especially in a KS offense. Things can change, but we should not be making excuses for winners and we should not be making excuses for losers. Our QBs are what their stats say they are. With the exception of Trey's "fake" TD last week, lol.
While I fully agree that Purdy is the better talent atm and it's not even questionable Purdy gets passes for missing TD's while Trey get's called fake TD's.
Dude, take a statistics class. When you extract a sample from the Population (capital P), it does not represent the Population. I can play the exact same game with Tom Brady if you want me to, cherry picking a suboptimal play and then extrapolating that he's the worst of all time. Or you can successfully run a candy store and then extrapolate that you can therefore run all of Walmart. It just doesn't work that way.
First off, the play above was almost a TD and was not that bad of a play. Second, if you look at the body of Purdy's work, both in college and the NFL, he's a rock star so far, and the best predictor of future performance is past performance. All things considered, Purdy kicked ass in yesterday's game.
Dude talking about statistics classes and says Trey has disappointed with only 3 f**king nonconsevutive starts in his career. Sample size is far too low to come to any conclusions on Trey Lance whether good or bad.
Brock played great last year, was contained vs Dallas, and sadly we didn't get to see how he'd fare against another elite defense in the NFC title game. I wanted to see if he would be contained yet again like the Cowboys d was able to do or if he got back to his prior norm of putting up 30 a game. We needed that data point on him as getting to and winning the title game and just getting to the SB means nothing. Only winning the SB matters so we need to know whether Brock is the type of guy w the physocal tools and upside who can actually beat Mahomes in a SB and not be able to be contained no matter how good the defense.
Put bluntly, 3 career NFL starts is not even close to enough sample size to make judgments on his play being disappointing - I think his play has been pretty damn good for being so crazy raw out of college and essentially only 2 starts in typical conditions. If he gets reps he will ultimately be better than Brock imo due to his physical tools that Brock just doesn't have. There's a reason Trey was drafted #3 and Brock #250. Brock is a system qb who fits great into our system. Is Brock the next Tom Brady that can win SBs as a late round draft pick? He betting f**king well be if we're going to prevent Trey a top 3 draft pick w superior physical tools at his disposal from getting the one thing he needs which is game experience.
Purdy ran the offense in yesterday's game and made one top level throw. It was nothing to write home about other than he looks ready to play Week 1 and make the actual tough throws he made last year. But let's not pretend he did anything special on that drive w two one yard screens giving most of the yardage on the drive. Brock did do special things last year so let's reserve the he kicked ass comments for play that deserves it.
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
That throw from Trey on the final drive to Bell with the yac after was a f**king laser that Brock only in his dreams could throw. Brock better win us a Lombardi to leave the former on the bench not getting game experience.
This is the same guy that hoped Brock would remain hurt until at least week 6 so that Lance can get reps. I'm sure he was happy too see Brock return waaay ahead of a schedule.
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
I guess we can stop s**ttig on Brock for throwing screen passes when even those aren't as gimmes as some thought lol
