Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
That throw from Trey on the final drive to Bell with the yac after was a f**king laser that Brock only in his dreams could throw. Brock better win us a Lombardi to leave the former on the bench not getting game experience.

This is the same guy that hoped Brock would remain hurt until at least week 6 so that Lance can get reps. I'm sure he was happy too see Brock return waaay ahead of a schedule.

Damn I forgot about that gem of a comment lol.

And I'll say it again. Like I just did above. Don't curr that people are too obtuse to understand the reasoning.

Brock better win is a Lombardi as Trey was drafted for that purpose as Jimmy just wasn't good enough to get it done and we got to the SB already with him at the helm.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
That throw from Trey on the final drive to Bell with the yac after was a f**king laser that Brock only in his dreams could throw. Brock better win us a Lombardi to leave the former on the bench not getting game experience.

This is the same guy that hoped Brock would remain hurt until at least week 6 so that Lance can get reps. I'm sure he was happy too see Brock return waaay ahead of a schedule.

I wanted to see Lance play a handful of consecutive games and vs Dallas Week 5 Sunday night football and see if Trey would put up more than 19 points on the Cowboys and compare the two QBs.

Wished nothing but Brock returning to 💯 percent and experiencing no ill effects from his injury - just preferred it by Week 6 to get more data points on our blue chip #3 overall draft pick selected because Jimmy wasn't good enough before we handed over the reigns to the the last pick in the draft who happened to play at a top level for seven games. Makes no difference when I wanted Brock healthy because I wanted him back at 100 percent. Now if I wanted Brock to never be the same qb again because of his injury and never fully recover from it then yeah that would be an opinion worthy of condemnation. Brock being 💯 Week 1 or Week 6 is still the same thing... as he is still 💯

The only thing dumber than trading all those 1st round picks for a bust is trading him before you know what you have or don't have in the player and then he goes somewhere else and lights up the league and becomes a top 5 qb. The only way to know what we have is more data points, hence Brock coming back Week 6 at 100 percent would enable that.

Like I said, you hoped he would remain unhealthy until week 6 so that Lance could get reps. You just said the same exact thing. I never said you wanted him to stay hurt for the rest of his career.

Brock was going to be week 1 starter so best way for Lance to get on the field is for Brock to not be healthy, therefore you hoped he would take longer so that your preferred QB can play.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
I guess we can stop s**ttig on Brock for throwing screen passes when even those aren't as gimmes as some thought lol

No one is sitting on Brock for throwing screen passes. Just not !!!!!! those said passes as if they were worthy of such enthusiastic praise. If Trey had that same drive you'd not nearly be giving the same !!!! praise.

Not to mention Brock's screens were different as one was a rollout away from everyone so no one in his line of sight so easy 1 yard throw and the next was a snap and immediate 1 yard throw to Deebo with no one in front of Brock that could disrupt the play.

Again it was nice that Deebo made those plays successful but it was not due to anything special from the qb. Brock was special and deserving of boatloads of !!!!! during the regular season last year and vs Seattle, not last night.

BS. Detractors have been calling a dink and dunk QB that relies on his playmakers to do all the work because he has a weak arm. As Lance showed those passes need also some maneuvering, touch and accuracy to work. JTO pointed some of that out in film. Something for Lance to work on. Because some of the starting DEs in the league are way more athletic than Hyder and whoever the DE was last night.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Thanks for sharing. You caught this fast, lol.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I doubt the team would have been comfortable again handing Trey QB1. Again he is not even being handed QB2 this season without a competition. This shows the team probably was not impressed with Trey at training camp, preseason, and regular season last season.

He played a game and a quarter last season.

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The argument over Trey vs Brock will continue until one is traded or leaves. I'm not as down on Trey as many of the posters are but I'm not as thumbs up on Brock as many are either.

As far as I'm concerned, neither has proven they can or can't play. It's just too small of a sample size. If Brock plays like he did last year for an entire year and then does it again in 2024 then I'll feel like we have a real solid QB. Seven games isn't enough to convince me. Same for Trey. Until I've seen enough to know for sure that he can't play in the NFL I'll just wait and see.

I've seen this picture too many times to jump on a band wagon only to get let down. It's been a long time since we've had a QB that's played well 2 or more seasons in a row or even stayed healthy 2 straight seasons.

There's no "Purdy vs Trey" argument.

Brock is QB1 and he'll probably be our FQB.

Trey is only fighting to secure QB2.

Nice projection after 7 starts. We still don't know if he can repeat what he did last year and again the following year. We don't know if he can stay healthy. Those are requirements for a franchise QB. He doesn't have some of the skills that a true franchise QB possesses but he has the mental part down. Let's see if he can keep on overcoming his lack of speed and arm strength. If you look at him objectively he is very similar to JG in physical skills. Even if Jimmy had stayed healthy he wasn't considered a franchise QB. Almost everyone looked at him as somewhere between 12 and 15. Some had him between 15-20. That doesn't mean the team can't win. They just need to keep a lot of good talent around him because he's not going to take over a game with his physical tools. Have a strong defense that will keep the scoring down and they'll always have a chance.

We've been ove rand ove rLance's issues. It really comes down to experience or lack of it. There's no question about his physical skills but his limitations show u in live action. He looked better last night but he still has a long way to go.

The Purdy vs Trey argument will happen if Brock falters thus season or next season and Trey shows improvement. Right now there isn't an argument about which one should start but the team always needs to be looking 2,3 or 4 years down the road.

^ this drives me nuts. People discrediting Purdy because a half season of being one of the best QBs in the NFL, and by some measures the best QB in the NFL, isn't enough, meanwhile Trey gets excuses because he hasn't played enough. Just go with what what your eyes and the results are showing you. So far, Purdy has delivered incredibly, fantastically beyond the expectation of 32 GMs in the league, and so far, Trey has been disappointing, probably below what all 32 GMs were expecting - especially in a KS offense. Things can change, but we should not be making excuses for winners and we should not be making excuses for losers. Our QBs are what their stats say they are. With the exception of Trey's "fake" TD last week, lol.

While I fully agree that Purdy is the better talent atm and it's not even questionable Purdy gets passes for missing TD's while Trey get's called fake TD's.

Dude, take a statistics class. When you extract a sample from the Population (capital P), it does not represent the Population. I can play the exact same game with Tom Brady if you want me to, cherry picking a suboptimal play and then extrapolating that he's the worst of all time. Or you can successfully run a candy store and then extrapolate that you can therefore run all of Walmart. It just doesn't work that way.

First off, the play above was almost a TD and was not that bad of a play. Second, if you look at the body of Purdy's work, both in college and the NFL, he's a rock star so far, and the best predictor of future performance is past performance. All things considered, Purdy kicked ass in yesterday's game.

Dude talking about statistics classes and says Trey has disappointed with only 3 f**king nonconsevutive starts in his career. Sample size is far too low to come to any conclusions on Trey Lance whether good or bad.

Brock played great last year, was contained vs Dallas, and sadly we didn't get to see how he'd fare against another elite defense in the NFC title game. I wanted to see if he would be contained yet again like the Cowboys d was able to do or if he got back to his prior norm of putting up 30 a game. We needed that data point on him as getting to and winning the title game and just getting to the SB means nothing. Only winning the SB matters so we need to know whether Brock is the type of guy w the physocal tools and upside who can actually beat Mahomes in a SB and not be able to be contained no matter how good the defense.

Put bluntly, 3 career NFL starts is not even close to enough sample size to make judgments on his play being disappointing - I think his play has been pretty damn good for being so crazy raw out of college and essentially only 2 starts in typical conditions. If he gets reps he will ultimately be better than Brock imo due to his physical tools that Brock just doesn't have. There's a reason Trey was drafted #3 and Brock #250. Brock is a system qb who fits great into our system. Is Brock the next Tom Brady that can win SBs as a late round draft pick? He betting f**king well be if we're going to prevent Trey a top 3 draft pick w superior physical tools at his disposal from getting the one thing he needs which is game experience.

Purdy ran the offense in yesterday's game and made one top level throw. It was nothing to write home about other than he looks ready to play Week 1 and make the actual tough throws he made last year. But let's not pretend he did anything special on that drive w two one yard screens giving most of the yardage on the drive. Brock did do special things last year so let's reserve the he kicked ass comments for play that deserves it.

You have a lot of guts writing off Brock's performance to him being a system QB. All other GMs in the league wish they drafted him. They are also all damn glad they didn't draft Lance.

Can't give Purdy his props for all that he accomplished last season, but then demands that everyone to praise Lance, when he hasn't showed even half of what Purdy did last year. Crazy lol

Using preseason QB rating to prop up Trey must be an all-time low for Trey stans.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Can't give Purdy his props for all that he accomplished last season, but then demands that everyone to praise Lance, when he hasn't showed even half of what Purdy did last year. Crazy lol

It's impossible to get past the emotion of some people. It is what it is.

Glad he had a good game.

We may need him during the season.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

This is what I mean when I say "Dr Jekyl & Mr Hyde". Trey had some god awful plays. That makes you wonder what the hell was he thinking, some where so bad they couldn't even be picked.

then he has some excellent plays. Great anticipation, placement, timing. All the good stuff. This all happened within one quarter of play. Lol it's wild.

overall, I think Trey had a solid game. It's hard to say it was a great game for me when a good chunk of his plays are really bad, but ultimately he came through when he was needed and I think that's awesome.

regarding QB2/3, I think because he's so sporadic and darnold has shown more consistency (also just experience - good or bad), darnold will be the QB2, but Trey still has a chance.

with that said, just cause darnold takes it early in the season, doesn't mean Trey can't take it back as the season goes on. I don't view it as "whoever wins it now, has it all season".

it was cool to see Lance grow during the game though. Made some really nice plays, it was really fun to see. Long way to go but they're steps in the right direction and that's what we like to see. Kudos for that very fun game winning drive. Might of been the funnest pre season game I've ever seen.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
That throw from Trey on the final drive to Bell with the yac after was a f**king laser that Brock only in his dreams could throw. Brock better win us a Lombardi to leave the former on the bench not getting game experience.

This is the same guy that hoped Brock would remain hurt until at least week 6 so that Lance can get reps. I'm sure he was happy too see Brock return waaay ahead of a schedule.

Damn I forgot about that gem of a comment lol.

And I'll say it again. Like I just did above. Don't curr that people are too obtuse to understand the reasoning.

Brock better win is a Lombardi as Trey was drafted for that purpose as Jimmy just wasn't good enough to get it done and we got to the SB already with him at the helm.

Great resorting to attacking posters because they are repeating what you've said lol

everyone is hoping for Brock to lead us to a Lombardi. But to use it as some indictment on him if he doesn't is dumb. It will depend on how it all plays out. You think chargers, Bills, Bengals fan bases are blaming their QB for not delivering a SB yet? Nope. You need a lot of things to go right and some lucky breaks along the way. Niners fans should know this by now lol

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Thanks for sharing. You caught this fast, lol.

Looking forward to watching the rest of the video. JTO is good at breaking down the plays. Hopefully this will be to more of some posters liking than last week, that we don't have to resort to name calling lol

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
That throw from Trey on the final drive to Bell with the yac after was a f**king laser that Brock only in his dreams could throw. Brock better win us a Lombardi to leave the former on the bench not getting game experience.

This is the same guy that hoped Brock would remain hurt until at least week 6 so that Lance can get reps. I'm sure he was happy too see Brock return waaay ahead of a schedule.

Damn I forgot about that gem of a comment lol.

And I'll say it again. Like I just did above. Don't curr that people are too obtuse to understand the reasoning.

Brock better win is a Lombardi as Trey was drafted for that purpose as Jimmy just wasn't good enough to get it done and we got to the SB already with him at the helm.

Imagine holding Mr Irrelevant to the same standard as a player who we used three first round picks on.

Originally posted by tankle104:
This is what I mean when I say "Dr Jekyl & Mr Hyde". Trey had some god awful plays. That makes you wonder what the hell was he thinking, some where so bad they couldn't even be picked.

then he has some excellent plays. Great anticipation, placement, timing. All the good stuff. This all happened within one quarter of play. Lol it's wild.

overall, I think Trey had a solid game. It's hard to say it was a great game for me when a good chunk of his plays are really bad, but ultimately he came through when he was needed and I think that's awesome.

regarding QB2/3, I think because he's so sporadic and darnold has shown more consistency (also just experience - good or bad), darnold will be the QB2, but Trey still has a chance.

with that said, just cause darnold takes it early in the season, doesn't mean Trey can't take it back as the season goes on. I don't view it as "whoever wins it now, has it all season".

it was cool to see Lance grow during the game though. Made some really nice plays, it was really fun to see. Long way to go but they're steps in the right direction and that's what we like to see. Kudos for that very fun game winning drive. Might of been the funnest pre season game I've ever seen.

Give Trey the bulk of the reps in the final game. He plays well and it looks consistent he wins the #2 spot. If it doesn't then its Darnold.

Those plays that Trey made off script (throw to Martin on sideline, Throw to Martin that he dropped) are important because we won't have every play work well every time. That's the stuff Darnold struggles mightily at. So if he can show more consistency then you have to consider him as the backup because he can offer those things and Darnold can't. But if he's still hesitant and unsure you can't play him.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I doubt the team would have been comfortable again handing Trey QB1. Again he is not even being handed QB2 this season without a competition. This shows the team probably was not impressed with Trey at training camp, preseason, and regular season last season.

He played a game and a quarter last season.

He also mentioned training camp, and preseason. The team has a lot more info than the preseason and four regular season games we've been able to watch.