Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

yes he's wide open but looking off the safety was nice.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I find it so weird that Trey Lance is the only QB in NFL history who the media and a big chunk of our fan base believes should be born capable of playing NFL QB and not require any time to learn how to play the position first, how to read defenses, etc.

Am I wrong on this?

As far as I know, for the entirety of the NFL existence... people expect top 5 QBs to be able to play...QB.... by their 3rd year. This has been the expectation for "franchise QBs"

This is not a new expectation for Trey.

What has been found out over the years is many QBs, including Trey are not nearly as good as they were expected to be.

You people keep saying "3rd year" as if his total regular season experience even has reached a single year. How about restate your message with "FOUR GAMES" and see if it sounds stupid or not.

Because saying "four games" games is disingenuous to what he's actually received. He's had 3 training camps, 3 OTAs, an entire year as the second string getting backups and 2-3 full years of meeting/coaching from a top staff. 3 years of pre season games.

that's a ton of coaching, that's more coaching and practice than he's probably had in his entire life Received (def from a quality standpoint).

yes, playing is extremely important but doesn't change the fact he's been getting the best coaching possible for going on three years now. Saying he has had minimal improvement because he hasn't played much is a cop out, IMO. He should still be getting better with all of that.

especially the mental side of the game. I expect the game woukdnt be too fast for him At this point and he would know the system very well, to the point where he would pull the trigger when he's supposed to more often.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

He actually froze the defense with his eyes. He knew where he wanted to go. Looked left then fired down the middle. That ball had some zip on it for sure.

— 808life (@cmats808) August 20, 2023

yes he's wide open but looking off the safety was nice.

Yea, he knows he's going to have it pre-snap. It was a good call against that single high safety. Also looked like a coverage bust on Latu as well which made it even more open. JTO* touched on it very briefly.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

#49ers Trey Lance connects with Cameron Latu for a TD to cap off an excellent drive 🙌🏼 pic.twitter.com/K2vCQ7CMRF

— OurSF49ers (@OurSf49ers) August 20, 2023

yes he's wide open but looking off the safety was nice.

Trey tried to hit him on a corner post earlier in the game, it was underthrown but a great attempt by lances part, took a big hit. I wish Latu would of been able
to reel it in.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

He actually froze the defense with his eyes. He knew where he wanted to go. Looked left then fired down the middle. That ball had some zip on it for sure.

— 808life (@cmats808) August 20, 2023

yes he's wide open but looking off the safety was nice.

Yea, he knows he's going to have it pre-snap. It was a good call against that single high safety. Also looked like a coverage bust on Latu as well which made it even more open. JTO* touched on it very briefly.

Good stuff. I can't wait to see all of JTOs breakdown.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I find it so weird that Trey Lance is the only QB in NFL history who the media and a big chunk of our fan base believes should be born capable of playing NFL QB and not require any time to learn how to play the position first, how to read defenses, etc.

Am I wrong on this?

As far as I know, for the entirety of the NFL existence... people expect top 5 QBs to be able to play...QB.... by their 3rd year. This has been the expectation for "franchise QBs"

This is not a new expectation for Trey.

What has been found out over the years is many QBs, including Trey are not nearly as good as they were expected to be.

You people keep saying "3rd year" as if his total regular season experience even has reached a single year. How about restate your message with "FOUR GAMES" and see if it sounds stupid or not.

Because saying "four games" games is disingenuous to what he's actually received. He's had 3 training camps, 3 OTAs, an entire year as the second string getting backups and 2-3 full years of meeting/coaching from a top staff. 3 years of pre season games.

that's a ton of coaching, that's more coaching and practice than he's probably had in his entire life Received (def from a quality standpoint).

yes, playing is extremely important but doesn't change the fact he's been getting the best coaching possible for going on three years now. Saying he has had minimal improvement because he hasn't played much is a cop out, IMO. He should still be getting better with all of that.

especially the mental side of the game. I expect the game woukdnt be too fast for him At this point and he would know the system very well, to the point where he would pull the trigger when he's supposed to more often.

Very well stated!

Originally posted by tankle104:
Because saying "four games" games is disingenuous to what he's actually received. He's had 3 training camps, 3 OTAs, an entire year as the second string getting backups and 2-3 full years of meeting/coaching from a top staff. 3 years of pre season games.

that's a ton of coaching, that's more coaching and practice than he's probably had in his entire life Received (def from a quality standpoint).

yes, playing is extremely important but doesn't change the fact he's been getting the best coaching possible for going on three years now. Saying he has had minimal improvement because he hasn't played much is a cop out, IMO. He should still be getting better with all of that.

especially the mental side of the game. I expect the game woukdnt be too fast for him At this point and he would know the system very well, to the point where he would pull the trigger when he's supposed to more often.

Thats all fair but I feel trey is one of those guys that needs to do it when the bullets are live. Many have said it already but he reminds me so much of Alex.

Originally posted by DRnSFw:

Every @treylance09 throw from the @49ers two game-winning drives last night: pic.twitter.com/mlHEV8kUUj

— Bison Report (@BisonReport) August 20, 2023

That first pass was sick....to me that is exactly why Trey was drafted....use the mobility to negate the pass rush...present the possibility of a run or pass to the defense...then take advantage of the defender stuck in no-mans land. In this case the ball was dropped, but that is not on Trey.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by DRnSFw:

Every @treylance09 throw from the @49ers two game-winning drives last night: pic.twitter.com/mlHEV8kUUj

— Bison Report (@BisonReport) August 20, 2023

That first pass was sick....to me that is exactly why Trey was drafted....use the mobility to negate the pass rush...present the possibility of a run or pass to the defense...then take advantage of the defender stuck in no-mans land. In this case the ball was dropped, but that is not on Trey.

the holding call on that play looked like a normal block

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by DRnSFw:

Every @treylance09 throw from the @49ers two game-winning drives last night: pic.twitter.com/mlHEV8kUUj

— Bison Report (@BisonReport) August 20, 2023

That first pass was sick....to me that is exactly why Trey was drafted....use the mobility to negate the pass rush...present the possibility of a run or pass to the defense...then take advantage of the defender stuck in no-mans land. In this case the ball was dropped, but that is not on Trey.

That was a very nice pass there after stepping up & thru the pocket avoiding pressure.

Originally posted by DRnSFw:

Every @treylance09 throw from the @49ers two game-winning drives last night: pic.twitter.com/mlHEV8kUUj

— Bison Report (@BisonReport) August 20, 2023

Lance, no doubt still has a ways to go, but the dude, IMO is almost like a rookie still. Definitely at least like a second year guy.

Improvement wise, his release is way way quicker now and he's way more accurate, including on the run.

Mechanics aren't the problem anymore. Now, it's just the muscle memory of everything else that comes with experience. As I continue to watch his tape, man.. It's clear as day the things he's lacking consistency with are all the little things pieced together that you develop over repetitions, creating that automatic brain to arm link.

Try to think of a job that is insanely involved with lots of moving parts, like working in logistics or something. You simply cannot learn everything you need to know and go out and function efficiently without a ton of time in the field. You'll for sure be slower than most.

I look at Brock as a guy who worked the job at busier company for 4 years already that used all the same software systems.

Lance is like the guy who was at a small company where he was the top dog but things just weren't coming at him as fast, and then he goes to this new place, Shanahan Inc. where everything seems insanely complicated and he's trying to catch on and learn on the fly while dealing with medical issues, then suddenly in his second year has to take a year of medical leave. When he comes back, he may have the knowledge, but he hasn't done it in a while and still has to find a groove again. He's not stupid, he just needs time.

Best analogy I can think of lol.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I find it so weird that Trey Lance is the only QB in NFL history who the media and a big chunk of our fan base believes should be born capable of playing NFL QB and not require any time to learn how to play the position first, how to read defenses, etc.

Am I wrong on this?

As far as I know, for the entirety of the NFL existence... people expect top 5 QBs to be able to play...QB.... by their 3rd year. This has been the expectation for "franchise QBs"

This is not a new expectation for Trey.

What has been found out over the years is many QBs, including Trey are not nearly as good as they were expected to be.

You people keep saying "3rd year" as if his total regular season experience even has reached a single year. How about restate your message with "FOUR GAMES" and see if it sounds stupid or not.

Because saying "four games" games is disingenuous to what he's actually received. He's had 3 training camps, 3 OTAs, an entire year as the second string getting backups and 2-3 full years of meeting/coaching from a top staff. 3 years of pre season games.

that's a ton of coaching, that's more coaching and practice than he's probably had in his entire life Received (def from a quality standpoint).

yes, playing is extremely important but doesn't change the fact he's been getting the best coaching possible for going on three years now. Saying he has had minimal improvement because he hasn't played much is a cop out, IMO. He should still be getting better with all of that.

especially the mental side of the game. I expect the game woukdnt be too fast for him At this point and he would know the system very well, to the point where he would pull the trigger when he's supposed to more often.

Steve Young is a HOF QB that got Hall of Fame coaching for 5 years but he still didn't start to really progress until he became the regular starter. You can get all the great coaching, but you can't really put it into practice until the bullets start flying. Everyone had a plan until they get hit and practice and film study will only give you so much.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I find it so weird that Trey Lance is the only QB in NFL history who the media and a big chunk of our fan base believes should be born capable of playing NFL QB and not require any time to learn how to play the position first, how to read defenses, etc.

Am I wrong on this?

As far as I know, for the entirety of the NFL existence... people expect top 5 QBs to be able to play...QB.... by their 3rd year. This has been the expectation for "franchise QBs"

This is not a new expectation for Trey.

What has been found out over the years is many QBs, including Trey are not nearly as good as they were expected to be.

You people keep saying "3rd year" as if his total regular season experience even has reached a single year. How about restate your message with "FOUR GAMES" and see if it sounds stupid or not.

Because saying "four games" games is disingenuous to what he's actually received. He's had 3 training camps, 3 OTAs, an entire year as the second string getting backups and 2-3 full years of meeting/coaching from a top staff. 3 years of pre season games.

that's a ton of coaching, that's more coaching and practice than he's probably had in his entire life Received (def from a quality standpoint).

yes, playing is extremely important but doesn't change the fact he's been getting the best coaching possible for going on three years now. Saying he has had minimal improvement because he hasn't played much is a cop out, IMO. He should still be getting better with all of that.

especially the mental side of the game. I expect the game woukdnt be too fast for him At this point and he would know the system very well, to the point where he would pull the trigger when he's supposed to more often.

Steve Young is a HOF QB that got Hall of Fame coaching for 5 years but he still didn't start to really progress until he became the regular starter. You can get all the great coaching, but you can't really put it into practice until the bullets start flying. Everyone had a plan until they get hit and practice and film study will only give you so much.

Agree 💯%, and for example you don't coach Poe missing his blocks in practice, the radio going out, or playing with broken ribs. Even playoff speed is faster than regular season speed, and Super bowl speed is even faster than playoff speed. Training camp speed doesn't even compare to regular season speed.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I find it so weird that Trey Lance is the only QB in NFL history who the media and a big chunk of our fan base believes should be born capable of playing NFL QB and not require any time to learn how to play the position first, how to read defenses, etc.

Am I wrong on this?

As far as I know, for the entirety of the NFL existence... people expect top 5 QBs to be able to play...QB.... by their 3rd year. This has been the expectation for "franchise QBs"

This is not a new expectation for Trey.

What has been found out over the years is many QBs, including Trey are not nearly as good as they were expected to be.

You people keep saying "3rd year" as if his total regular season experience even has reached a single year. How about restate your message with "FOUR GAMES" and see if it sounds stupid or not.

Because saying "four games" games is disingenuous to what he's actually received. He's had 3 training camps, 3 OTAs, an entire year as the second string getting backups and 2-3 full years of meeting/coaching from a top staff. 3 years of pre season games.

that's a ton of coaching, that's more coaching and practice than he's probably had in his entire life Received (def from a quality standpoint).

yes, playing is extremely important but doesn't change the fact he's been getting the best coaching possible for going on three years now. Saying he has had minimal improvement because he hasn't played much is a cop out, IMO. He should still be getting better with all of that.

especially the mental side of the game. I expect the game woukdnt be too fast for him At this point and he would know the system very well, to the point where he would pull the trigger when he's supposed to more often.

Steve Young is a HOF QB that got Hall of Fame coaching for 5 years but he still didn't start to really progress until he became the regular starter. You can get all the great coaching, but you can't really put it into practice until the bullets start flying. Everyone had a plan until they get hit and practice and film study will only give you so much.

He thinks you can fully master a physical job through osmosis.

if this were true everyone could be anything they wanted to be by using YouTube. 😂