Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

i agree with his take here. Even if Lance loses out on QB2 to start the season, it doesn't mean it will remain that way all season. If he continues to improve throughout the year - Kyle will elevate him.

i still think Kyle will draw up some unique packages for Lance to get on the field, different than 2020 though. I think it'll be like a potential flea flicker or something like the Philly special - lances athleticism and size could be used to take advantage of. That Or some type of deep pass, where he starts out getting a hand off or toss that looks like a run, gets the defense to pull forward and he guns it.

IMO it seems like Darnold has just played it safe all training camp and into the pre-season. Nothing too bad but also nothing too great. I also believe he has been the worst QB of the 3 in the move the ball periods and it has somewhat carried over into pre-season as I think he has only had 1 long drive in about 12 series. Yes you can talk about the two dropped balls that turned into picks and some costly penalties but fact is fact he hasn't had sustainable drives. He has had one I think, Maybe two.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Even if Sam Darnold is QB2 and Trey Lance is QB3 in Week 1 (or vice versa), the order won't necessarily stay that way. That's a good illustration of option power at play.

Lance clearly benefits from developmental time and the 49ers can give him some of that in practice. They…

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 20, 2023

i agree with his take here. Even if Lance loses out on QB2 to start the season, it doesn't mean it will remain that way all season. If he continues to improve throughout the year - Kyle will elevate him.

i still think Kyle will draw up some unique packages for Lance to get on the field, different than 2020 though. I think it'll be like a potential flea flicker or something like the Philly special - lances athleticism and size could be used to take advantage of. That Or some type of deep pass, where he starts out getting a hand off or toss that looks like a run, gets the defense to pull forward and he guns it.

it'll be great if we just blew out every team in the 1st half by 40 pts so they can get more in game reps.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Even if Sam Darnold is QB2 and Trey Lance is QB3 in Week 1 (or vice versa), the order won't necessarily stay that way. That's a good illustration of option power at play.

Lance clearly benefits from developmental time and the 49ers can give him some of that in practice. They…

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 20, 2023

i agree with his take here. Even if Lance loses out on QB2 to start the season, it doesn't mean it will remain that way all season. If he continues to improve throughout the year - Kyle will elevate him.

i still think Kyle will draw up some unique packages for Lance to get on the field, different than 2020 though. I think it'll be like a potential flea flicker or something like the Philly special - lances athleticism and size could be used to take advantage of. That Or some type of deep pass, where he starts out getting a hand off or toss that looks like a run, gets the defense to pull forward and he guns it.

Yeah but in order for that to happen he has to be the #2 QB on gameday. I think by rule the #3 guy can only come into the game if the 1st 2 QB's are either hurt, sick, or was ejected from the game.

Originally posted by DRnSFw:

Every @treylance09 throw from the @49ers two game-winning drives last night: pic.twitter.com/mlHEV8kUUj

— Bison Report (@BisonReport) August 20, 2023

Watching all of those passes emphasizes that much more why he needs as many reps as possible. You could see a little hesitation on the first few, but after he started growing confidence, no hesitation at all. Tough call for Shanahan on the pecking order, but I doubt Trey gets any live reps this year, at least I hope not. Unless it is in a blowout win where Brock has been pulled.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Even if Sam Darnold is QB2 and Trey Lance is QB3 in Week 1 (or vice versa), the order won't necessarily stay that way. That's a good illustration of option power at play.

Lance clearly benefits from developmental time and the 49ers can give him some of that in practice. They…

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 20, 2023

i agree with his take here. Even if Lance loses out on QB2 to start the season, it doesn't mean it will remain that way all season. If he continues to improve throughout the year - Kyle will elevate him.

i still think Kyle will draw up some unique packages for Lance to get on the field, different than 2020 though. I think it'll be like a potential flea flicker or something like the Philly special - lances athleticism and size could be used to take advantage of. That Or some type of deep pass, where he starts out getting a hand off or toss that looks like a run, gets the defense to pull forward and he guns it.

Yeah but in order for that to happen he has to be the #2 QB on gameday. I think by rule the #3 guy can only come into the game if the 1st 2 QB's are either hurt, sick, or was ejected from the game.

I still have no idea why folks are thinking Trey will be number three. Simply having a difficult outing in the raiders game, coupled with Sam's small sample size simply isn't enough for Darnold to overtake him. IMO. Ultimately think it comes down to what Kyle has seen in practice. TBH, it still seems like a different playbook and gameplan for Trey vs Sam and Brock, which could end up being the deciding factor. Guess we'll see soon!

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Rest of the preseason? As in one half vs the Raiders?

Because in training camp he was playing every bit as good as the "Brockstar!!!!"

If last year wasn't a thing Trey would be QB1 since Brock has not won the job based on training camp performance. He won the job because of stellar play in 7 games last year.

So as highly as you all think of Brockstar!!!!!!!!!!! it should he encouraging that throughout camp Trey played just as good and slightly better which one of a dozen reasons why he should be QB2 for now

Lol all the reps he's taken, yeah.
you have absolutely no idea if he's been as good as Brock, or even good in camp. It's all based off of YouTube bloggers. Lol they don't even know what the team is doing when they're watching. Lance could of had a practice stat sheet of 10-15 with a touchdown and you'd think it's amazing, but we just watched in the raiders game with that same stat sheet that he looked horrendous. I don't think Lance has been terrible in camp but your "point" is literally baseless.

you also don't know if he would be QB1. The only difference would probably be that dsrnold and Lance would be competing for QB1 or the team would of tried to get Cousins or some thing. Lance isn't in this situation cause of Brock. If Lance was being a stud, the team wouldn't make him compete for QB2, it's just common sense.

lol once again, you really have no idea if Lance has been balling in camp.

By the available reports out there from those who have attended practices, Trey has had a good training camp and looked better than Darnold.

Darnold had a couple good practices early and faded.

Also Brock threw 10INTs in 12 practices with four pick 6s and 6 dropped picks. I would hope Trey would be better than that but obv he got far less reps because of dumb ass Allen and Darnold's presence. Not like Brock has been lighting it up in those practices but had a strong last practice going 13-19 with a TD.

Cannot prove you're a stud when you're raw with only 3 starts in your career. Need more starts to show whether you're a stud or not.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol his lack of development has widely been reported and shows in his play. The few times he's played. Just watch JTOs video. He talks about all these things that not even rookies typically do that Lance does.

we don't know how good any of the QBs have actually been in camp, that isn't just for Lance. CMC did an interview recentky talking about how all these reports he sees, they kinda laugh at, cause they don't really know what the team is working on.

At times JT is overly critical and I dont if it's just Trey. There are compilations on YouTube with linemen getting interceptions. We have seen Jimmy and Brock throw it to the linebacker they should have seen. We also see other quarterbacks try to make passes when they were late on the read.

Originally posted by DRnSFw:

Every @treylance09 throw from the @49ers two game-winning drives last night: pic.twitter.com/mlHEV8kUUj

— Bison Report (@BisonReport) August 20, 2023

At the time that it happened.. that second pass to the RB that was almost picked, sure felt like "f**k this situation you got me in Kyle, with these backup backups (pass protection from Oline to RBs).. I'm checking out" type of decision/throw." There was NO reason for him to attempt that throw. Really seemed like a "f**k this" pass.

But, he apparently didn't check out and played well from there.

Also about JT O'Turnover's videos... not just the recent but many from his past videos, his critique just seems after the factish. And he expects some of these players to be super human. Like I know our Davis-Price and our backup RBs don't deserve the benefit of the doubt when it comes to pass protection this preseason.. but JTO is s**tting and piling on #22 because he didn't contort his body at the last second when the DT shoves our center out of the way. It looked like the DT took an outside move and left the rb's vision for a split sec, then popped back in after #22 run forward for a check down.

Anyway again just an observation from watching many of JTO's videos.

Originally posted by Koldo:
Using preseason QB rating to prop up Trey must be an all-time low for Trey stans.

Yeah, but there is a reason for optimism. I just watched the replay so I could watch the last five minutes of the game that I missed last night.

Dang, I don't know if some sort of light snapped on or what. But I have never witnessed Trey play like that before, be as accurate as he was and as decisive.

He really looked good. He played better in those final moments than I have ever witnessed him play before.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by Koldo:
Using preseason QB rating to prop up Trey must be an all-time low for Trey stans.

Yeah, but there is a reason for optimism. I just watched the replay so I could watch the last five minutes of the game that I missed last night.

Dang, I don't know if some sort of light snapped on or what. But I have never witnessed Trey play like that before, be as accurate as he was and as decisive.

He really looked good. He played better in those final moments than I have ever witnessed him play before.

Second half of the Texans game. He had some clutch passes to seal the game, like the pass to Kittle over the middle... 3rd down pass to Jennings as well?...

eitherway no last second s**t we usually have had to deal with to put a game away. (Not talking Purdy)

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I find it so weird that Trey Lance is the only QB in NFL history who the media and a big chunk of our fan base believes should be born capable of playing NFL QB and not require any time to learn how to play the position first, how to read defenses, etc.

Am I wrong on this?

As far as I know, for the entirety of the NFL existence... people expect top 5 QBs to be able to play...QB.... by their 3rd year. This has been the expectation for "franchise QBs"

This is not a new expectation for Trey.

What has been found out over the years is many QBs, including Trey are not nearly as good as they were expected to be.

You people keep saying "3rd year" as if his total regular season experience even has reached a single year. How about restate your message with "FOUR GAMES" and see if it sounds stupid or not.

Because saying "four games" games is disingenuous to what he's actually received. He's had 3 training camps, 3 OTAs, an entire year as the second string getting backups and 2-3 full years of meeting/coaching from a top staff. 3 years of pre season games.

that's a ton of coaching, that's more coaching and practice than he's probably had in his entire life Received (def from a quality standpoint).

yes, playing is extremely important but doesn't change the fact he's been getting the best coaching possible for going on three years now. Saying he has had minimal improvement because he hasn't played much is a cop out, IMO. He should still be getting better with all of that.

especially the mental side of the game. I expect the game woukdnt be too fast for him At this point and he would know the system very well, to the point where he would pull the trigger when he's supposed to more often.

Steve Young is a HOF QB that got Hall of Fame coaching for 5 years but he still didn't start to really progress until he became the regular starter. You can get all the great coaching, but you can't really put it into practice until the bullets start flying. Everyone had a plan until they get hit and practice and film study will only give you so much.

That is hard sell.....

Steve had bullets flying in Tampa Bay and went 3-16 as a starter. Something like 12tds 21 ints.

Steve was starting a few games a year for the 49ers and pushed Joe Montana right out the door. A super quick look shows something like 8-3 record as a fill in QB his first 4 years with the 49ers and 27tds 6 ints.

Steve then went on to a 5-5 record ( Mike Holgrim offense) his first year as a starter on the 49ers, was out played by Steve Bono and almost traded to Green Bay when Holgrim went there. Holgrim decided Young was not worth a 1st and the trade fell apart.

In 1992 Shanny 1.0 became the OC and the rest is history.

If Steve is worth anything as a case study of QB development, it has to be firmly in the SIT camp not the START camp, with a strong indicator pointing towards FIT.

Considering Joe Montana sat, Steve Young sat, Steve Bono sat, even Elvis Garbac sat, you would think if any fan base got the idea of sitting it would be this one.

I guess it only takes one Brock Purdy blowing it up his rookie season to change the narrative.

Originally posted by northoakland510:
At times JT is overly critical and I dont if it's just Trey. There are compilations on YouTube with linemen getting interceptions. We have seen Jimmy and Brock throw it to the linebacker they should have seen. We also see other quarterbacks try to make passes when they were late on the read.

I think JTO' thing is let me show you what it is like in a QB meeting. So it tends to be pretty sterile.

On the Flip side JTO has only said about a billion times, I am not in their QB room and I dont know how they teach this play....

It is hard to say he is overly critical on a play that failed with the caveat he throws out 10 times a video, since just about all plays are built to have a win. So if they failed, something likely went wrong with them.

Having said that....man...are we seeing ALOT of hook routs with Trey. I wonder how long it is going to be until the talking heads start talking about that.

It sure seems we are seeing a shift in rout patterns with Trey vs Brock.

I don't know if that is base offense vs preseason simplified offense, or if the regular season tape we have on Brock shows an offense that wants keep players in motion, and Trey is a guy they want the targets to show their numbers too.

We are getting a-lot more players coming back to Trey when they run their routs than we have seen with Brock so far.

Only thing I can think is A. we don't want to show the depth of crossing routs we will use this year to guys in the preseason. Or B. they want a larger catch radius for Trey with clear delineation of in-front of the play and behind the play coverage.

If Trey starts next week, it will be very interesting to see what the rout breakdowns look like.