Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I doubt they get rid of lance this season, and our history would suggest we'll need all three QBs anyway.

I bet we will be fine this season BP will give us a full slate.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
King believes Lance experiment 'hasn't worked' for 49ers

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/king-believes-lance-experiment-hasnt-worked-for-49ers/1649470/?partner=yahoo&cid=yahoo

Peter King is absolutely correct

I doubt they get rid of lance this season, and our history would suggest we'll need all three QBs anyway.

Yeah not much point doing anything this season. He is good to have in case something goes wrong with Purdy. Next year will be a different story depending on how this year goes.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I doubt they get rid of lance this season, and our history would suggest we'll need all three QBs anyway.

I bet we will be fine this season BP will give us a full slate.

Do you think this will be the 2nd season under Shanahan that we get a full season from one QB, considering our O-line?

Count me skeptical. It appears as our strategy is more QBs, not improved o-line play.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

just finished this. JTO ends with this comment...

Certainly an improvement over last week....i think it's fair to say some of his throws are borderline getting close to disqualifying him from being able to play anytime soon, let alone for this organization, but that's just me. I think it's also important to acknowledge he got better and he's not surrounded by a bunch of all-pros out there in these situations so you gotta battle thru adversity up front, you gotta battle thru some drops down the field, you gotta battle thru some mental errors all over the place.

i need to see Trey Lance play with the 1's at least he deserves a few series with the first unit Sam Darnold had his chances now it's Trey Lance turn

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

just finished this. JTO ends with this comment...

Certainly an improvement over last week....i think it's fair to say some of his throws are borderline getting close to disqualifying him from being able to play anytime soon, let alone for this organization, but that's just me. I think it's also important to acknowledge he got better and he's not surrounded by a bunch of all-pros out there in these situations so you gotta battle thru adversity up front, you gotta battle thru some drops down the field, you gotta battle thru some mental errors all over the place.

That is a fair summary of Trey's performance. He certainly had some very good plays, but was pretty inconsistent if you look at the whole game.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I doubt they get rid of lance this season, and our history would suggest we'll need all three QBs anyway.

Peter king hasn't been right for some time now. Dude just needs to call it a day.

Unless they get anything worthwhile for Lance, there's absolutely no point in moving off him. Keep all 3 and go play some football. It's a long year and weird s**t always happens with this team, especially at QB.

I think if the team can't retain Darnold, Trey would be a nice backup to keep around for a few years if there's a mutual desire there. Keep him in the system, let Trey develop here if we can keep him at a fair price.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I doubt they get rid of lance this season, and our history would suggest we'll need all three QBs anyway.

Peter king hasn't been right for some time now. Dude just needs to call it a day.

Unless they get anything worthwhile for Lance, there's absolutely no point in moving off him. Keep all 3 and go play some football. It's a long year and weird s**t always happens with this team, especially at QB.

The way Trey has been playing when he was on the field, no teams are going to offer much of anything for him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I doubt they get rid of lance this season, and our history would suggest we'll need all three QBs anyway.

Peter king hasn't been right for some time now. Dude just needs to call it a day.

Unless they get anything worthwhile for Lance, there's absolutely no point in moving off him. Keep all 3 and go play some football. It's a long year and weird s**t always happens with this team, especially at QB.

If he doesn't deserve a roster spot then he should get one.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
He had a previous tweet laughing at the play when 9 players stayed in to pass protect.

KS getting creative on that one. A TL preseason special.

That was a good play designed for TL.

You guys talking about the one route play? lol

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I find it so weird that Trey Lance is the only QB in NFL history who the media and a big chunk of our fan base believes should be born capable of playing NFL QB and not require any time to learn how to play the position first, how to read defenses, etc.

Am I wrong on this?

As far as I know, for the entirety of the NFL existence... people expect top 5 QBs to be able to play...QB.... by their 3rd year. This has been the expectation for "franchise QBs"

This is not a new expectation for Trey.

What has been found out over the years is many QBs, including Trey are not nearly as good as they were expected to be.

You people keep saying "3rd year" as if his total regular season experience even has reached a single year. How about restate your message with "FOUR GAMES" and see if it sounds stupid or not.

Because saying "four games" games is disingenuous to what he's actually received. He's had 3 training camps, 3 OTAs, an entire year as the second string getting backups and 2-3 full years of meeting/coaching from a top staff. 3 years of pre season games.

that's a ton of coaching, that's more coaching and practice than he's probably had in his entire life Received (def from a quality standpoint).

yes, playing is extremely important but doesn't change the fact he's been getting the best coaching possible for going on three years now. Saying he has had minimal improvement because he hasn't played much is a cop out, IMO. He should still be getting better with all of that.

especially the mental side of the game. I expect the game woukdnt be too fast for him At this point and he would know the system very well, to the point where he would pull the trigger when he's supposed to more often.

Steve Young is a HOF QB that got Hall of Fame coaching for 5 years but he still didn't start to really progress until he became the regular starter. You can get all the great coaching, but you can't really put it into practice until the bullets start flying. Everyone had a plan until they get hit and practice and film study will only give you so much.

Agree 💯%, and for example you don't coach Poe missing his blocks in practice, the radio going out, or playing with broken ribs. Even playoff speed is faster than regular season speed, and Super bowl speed is even faster than playoff speed. Training camp speed doesn't even compare to regular season speed.

You can probably count all of the quarterbacks in NFL history that started off terrible and turned into HOFs on one hand. Their stories are unique. Young also had 560 pass attempts in the USFL. Another 34 games and 900+ pass attempts in college. Young had more than double the experience Lance had before he even got to the Bucs. He had another 14 games and 500 pass attempts with the Bucs before he even got to the niners.

Guys need to stop cherry picking all time greats and acting like it's a comparison for Lance. No one in nfl history has been as inexperienced as Lance. For every Steve young, there are 1000+ guys who had the same situation and never became great.

yes, I know game reps are valuable and where a lot
Of growth comes from, but to me, it's not an excuse for his overall lack of development. So wtf has he been learning/doing for 3 years? I just expected him to be much more sharp and aware at this point with the system and where/when to go with the ball.

he finished great last game and had two really nice drives, it really was awesome and I'm super happy for him, but the rest of the preseason has been horrendous, like he's never played ball before. That's the stuff I don't just write off cause he hasn't played many live games.
For a player who's reportedly very intelligent and works super hard, I've been really disappointed in the way he looks at this point. I wasn't even expecting much because he is inexperienced and working on his new mechanics/throwing motion but I thought he would be much sharper and decisive. I just hope he keeps the positive trajectory and has an awesome game against the chargers.

if anything, darnolds story is the one comparable to Steve young. Was around crap coaching and talent and 5 years or so of experience in the league/pro ball, tben goes to the 49ers with excellent coaching and talent and revitalizes his career.

Where Trey is having a lot of problems is his short game. The short game takes timing, touch and anticipation. Some guys like Purdy can pick those up real quick. In those short passes, you have to basically do a no-look pass. You have to anticipate the coverage (post snap) accurately, anticipate the location of the receiver and defender accurately, and you can't look at both otherwise you give an indication to the defender where you are throwing, and they will intercept it. I.e. you can theoretically learn how to dig a ditch with a shovel, but until you actually encounter the dirt, how tough the dirt is, how heavy the dirt is, and deal with unexpected rocks and tree roots, and hard to cut vegetation, poison ivy, and the like - it's not enough to just book learn how to dig a ditch, you have to actually *dig a ditch* to learn how to dig a ditch.

Here is (possibly a repost) of JTO's 2nd review of Trey Lance. He has the same concerns as you and he's a bit more hopeful than you.



Personally, I think Trey, given his lack of game experience, is progressing pretty quickly. Now it's not as quick as Purdy, but once Trey's got the reads, timing, touch, and anticipation down, he *should* look like Purdy in the short game - with the added dimension of Treys *dominant* long game. The reason Trey isn't QB1 is because Purdy is elite at that right now. ShanaLynch doesn't need to wait for Purdy. That doesn't mean Trey can never get to that level. I think he can, but he needs more gametime reps. He'll get the needed practice reps to develop (and I'm certain he'll get a chance to play in the regular season given this teams historical injury situation), but unfortunately the best reps are reserved for Brock because the whole entire franchise is in a *win now* super bowl window, and you can't delay that by trying to develop Trey faster at this point. For now Trey will be an excellent QB2/QB3 for this year.

Time will tell. Let's see how he does against the second unit with the chargers. I was happy for him this last game, but I think people are getting too lost in the final two drives, and ignoring the rest of his play.

There are many more reasons why Brock is QB1 over darnold and Lance then how good he is in the short game. Brock was historically good in the intermediate game, above average in the deep game. Exponentially more efficient than either of them ever have. Etc etc it's really not close for either of them. I hope he doesn't get hurt this year but if Brock does, I really hope darnold/Lance show dramatic improvements to keep super bowl hopes alive.

I think this next Charger's game - for sure - will determine QB2 and QB3, as I think, both have been graded neck and neck with neither Sam nor Trey really making it clear who's better overall. For me, personally, I think if Brock goes down, you can't go wrong with either Sam or Trey. I think Trey provides more mobility and arm strength - but not by much. Sam is pretty mobile and has a good arm and more experience. I pick Trey because - potentially - I'd be gambling that Trey will be better in the second half of a game than the first half (like the Houston Texan's game example) with a good defense, you can limit the opposing team scoring in the first half until Trey gets his second wind in the second half. My pick is Trey, barring a total and complete Trey collapse in the next San Diego Game.

Sam is gone after this year, unless the 49ers offer him more money. I think Sam can get a starting gig with another team after playing here with Kyle. The OC of that hypothetical bottom feeding team might want to poach Kyle's offense from Sam's brain. Sam would also be a good starting bridge QB for a bottom feeder team that may have drafted a future QB in the first round, a la the Jacksonville Jaguars with somebody like Trevor Laurence. As for Trey he's here - potentially - for another two plus years if the 49ers exercise that 5th year option by the end of this season. That gives ShanaLynch time to trade Trey as they develop Trey to get more draft value. I don't think the cap will be a problem, as the 49ers will be raided for players again this offseason as Javon Kinlaw and Sam Darnold will most likely be gone, giving us about 10+ million in added cap space next year.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
He had a previous tweet laughing at the play when 9 players stayed in to pass protect.

KS getting creative on that one. A TL preseason special.

That was a good play designed for TL.

You guys talking about the one route play? lol

Max training wheels on 2, ready? break

PFF had Trey ranked amongst our top 5 offensive players. I thought he got better as he got more reps, which is a trend in his small sample of football games played.
The starting job is Brock's but I think Trey has real potential to be a legit starter in this league. He just needs to get the game experience to acclimate to the speed of the actual NFL game.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

I think if the team can't retain Darnold, Trey would be a nice backup to keep around for a few years if there's a mutual desire there. Keep him in the system, let Trey develop here if we can keep him at a fair price.

"Sam still could've gone other places for a lot more money. For him to come here—a huge leap of faith. He had no idea if he was coming for the one, two, or three job."

Just saw this, which I think is another reason why we may not be able to keep Sam. If he plays well here, some are going to change their minds on him and think he can do something with their team. Would he turn down more money and another shot at QB1 just to stay here? He wasn't really gonna get that from us or anyone else this year, but if he changed minds, he might next year (kind of like Jameis Winston, another turnover machine, did)