Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by boast:
i dont believe Trey would ever get cut. however i do believe there's like a 10% chance he could be moved if the opportunity arises if Trey cant supplant Sam. $10M for QB3 is a lot of money. and even if the savings is half that, i could still see the team explore the option. again, $10M for QB3.

Does that % chance you have of Trey being moved equate to a 90% chance you think Trey has of beating out for Brandon Allen for a spot?

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:
i dont believe Trey would ever get cut. however i do believe there's like a 10% chance he could be moved if the opportunity arises if Trey cant supplant Sam. $10M for QB3 is a lot of money. and even if the savings is half that, i could still see the team explore the option. again, $10M for QB3.

Does that % chance you have of Trey being moved equate to a 90% chance you think Trey has of beating out for Brandon Allen for a spot?

it means 90% chance Trey doesnt get traded

I took a look at every one of Trey Lance's dropbacks: No, it's not an agenda, it has to do with I get 3x the amount of views for all Trey Lance's dropbacks than anything else, lol. But, here it is.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I took a look at every one of Trey Lance's dropbacks: No, it's not an agenda, it has to do with I get 3x the amount of views for all Trey Lance's dropbacks than anything else, lol. But, here it is.

Excellent rationale. I look forward to your breakdowns every week regardless of focus.

Originally posted by krizay:

Sam was far from Meh in that game from my perspective. He ran the offense as it was designed. I thought he did the same in week 1 but to a lesser degree. I didn't have high hopes for Sam coming into this whole ordeal but after watching him these past two weeks (especially Saturday) I have more hope in him than I ever anticipated myself having.

Punt, Punt, Punt, Int is how he started, he got better when the 3rd and 4th stringers came in.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I took a look at every one of Trey Lance's dropbacks: No, it's not an agenda, it has to do with I get 3x the amount of views for all Trey Lance's dropbacks than anything else, lol. But, here it is.

Good stuff, man.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I took a look at every one of Trey Lance's dropbacks: No, it's not an agenda, it has to do with I get 3x the amount of views for all Trey Lance's dropbacks than anything else, lol. But, here it is.

Lance homer

Originally posted by boast:
it's pretty funny to see some here say "but...but...but Sam is in year 6 he cant improve" but turn around and use Steve Young as an example for Trey's potential long-term improvement. look im a Sam hater but i also consider his previous situations were less than ideal and still believe he could improve.

Honestly a lot of QBs take five or six years to figure it out. He could still end up great.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I took a look at every one of Trey Lance's dropbacks: No, it's not an agenda, it has to do with I get 3x the amount of views for all Trey Lance's dropbacks than anything else, lol. But, here it is.

Lance homer

Ya got me! Lol.

Originally posted by boast:
i dont believe Trey would ever get cut. however i do believe there's like a 10% chance he could be moved if the opportunity arises if Trey cant supplant Sam. $10M for QB3 is a lot of money. and even if the savings is half that, i could still see the team explore the option. again, $10M for QB3.

Nobody is trading for Trey, and there is no one left in free agency would would significantly help us. Therefore Trey will be on the team this year.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I find it so weird that Trey Lance is the only QB in NFL history who the media and a big chunk of our fan base believes should be born capable of playing NFL QB and not require any time to learn how to play the position first, how to read defenses, etc.

Am I wrong on this?

As far as I know, for the entirety of the NFL existence... people expect top 5 QBs to be able to play...QB.... by their 3rd year. This has been the expectation for "franchise QBs"

This is not a new expectation for Trey.

What has been found out over the years is many QBs, including Trey are not nearly as good as they were expected to be.

You people keep saying "3rd year" as if his total regular season experience even has reached a single year. How about restate your message with "FOUR GAMES" and see if it sounds stupid or not.

Because saying "four games" games is disingenuous to what he's actually received. He's had 3 training camps, 3 OTAs, an entire year as the second string getting backups and 2-3 full years of meeting/coaching from a top staff. 3 years of pre season games.

that's a ton of coaching, that's more coaching and practice than he's probably had in his entire life Received (def from a quality standpoint).

yes, playing is extremely important but doesn't change the fact he's been getting the best coaching possible for going on three years now. Saying he has had minimal improvement because he hasn't played much is a cop out, IMO. He should still be getting better with all of that.

especially the mental side of the game. I expect the game woukdnt be too fast for him At this point and he would know the system very well, to the point where he would pull the trigger when he's supposed to more often.

Every QB gets training camps and off-season coaching. Mac Jones had a full camp taking all the first team reps and a full season starting and had a 36.2 QBR last year. Three of his last 5 games played last year had passer ratings under 76. I mean I'd say that's more learning than Trey.

It's not disingenuous. Trey has not had a great deal of opportunities, and of all the QBs drafted in the last five years, he probably needed them the most.

I'm not saying he's going to be a good QB. I'm saying we've not had enough time to find out what his finished product will be. It may be he will always be too tentative and get tunnel vision, hesitate, and then throw absurdly bad interceptions. It may be he never fully grasps arm angles and appropriate ball arc for every pass (he had the terrible pick, but on the other hand he had two nice soft balls after scrambling, one of which was dropped). I'm not saying he's guaranteed to be good. I've said I think he will be if he gets the opportunity to learn, but that's based on his work ethic.

But then again maybe he won't. But we don't know yet.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I think if the team can't retain Darnold, Trey would be a nice backup to keep around for a few years if there's a mutual desire there. Keep him in the system, let Trey develop here if we can keep him at a fair price.

If Trey's willing to sign for a reasonable contract I'd keep him without a second thought.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

just finished this. JTO ends with this comment...

Certainly an improvement over last week....i think it's fair to say some of his throws are borderline getting close to disqualifying him from being able to play anytime soon, let alone for this organization, but that's just me. I think it's also important to acknowledge he got better and he's not surrounded by a bunch of all-pros out there in these situations so you gotta battle thru adversity up front, you gotta battle thru some drops down the field, you gotta battle thru some mental errors all over the place.

So what exactly does that say if he was the starter last year, has shown improvement since then, but still can't even throw well enough to play? Just gets more and more confusing to me. Nobody had a problem with him being the starter last year, but now he's improved to the point he can't play for the team? At least JTO is an expert on that.

The overall strength of the QB room is better than last year appeared to be. Jimmy was considered gone. This is an entirely different situation. Especially with Purdy's emergence, but Sam Darnold is very talented too. And Allen was a back up last year. Our fourth string guy was a number two last year.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:
i dont believe Trey would ever get cut. however i do believe there's like a 10% chance he could be moved if the opportunity arises if Trey cant supplant Sam. $10M for QB3 is a lot of money. and even if the savings is half that, i could still see the team explore the option. again, $10M for QB3.

Does that % chance you have of Trey being moved equate to a 90% chance you think Trey has of beating out for Brandon Allen for a spot?

it means 90% chance Trey doesnt get traded

Yea and is where on the depth chart? 4th on the scout team? Please finish the thought.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:
i dont believe Trey would ever get cut. however i do believe there's like a 10% chance he could be moved if the opportunity arises if Trey cant supplant Sam. $10M for QB3 is a lot of money. and even if the savings is half that, i could still see the team explore the option. again, $10M for QB3.

Does that % chance you have of Trey being moved equate to a 90% chance you think Trey has of beating out for Brandon Allen for a spot?

it means 90% chance Trey doesnt get traded

Yea and is where on the depth chart? 4th on the scout team? Please finish the thought.

uhhh poor reading comprehension? maybe reread my initial post above and you'll see.