Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I took a look at every one of Trey Lance's dropbacks: No, it's not an agenda, it has to do with I get 3x the amount of views for all Trey Lance's dropbacks than anything else, lol. But, here it is.

I'm glad you do your own thing and don't just parrot the big name experts. A very... handy(man)... thing for us to have.

Anyway, the first play is a fine example of why he needs reps.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

I think if the team can't retain Darnold, Trey would be a nice backup to keep around for a few years if there's a mutual desire there. Keep him in the system, let Trey develop here if we can keep him at a fair price.

If Trey's willing to sign for a reasonable contract I'd keep him without a second thought.

I mean, it seems like a win win. Outside of being gifted a starting job somewhere else, if he's gonna be a backup somewhere, I don't know if there's a better opportunity for Trey than continuing to learn under Shanahan and Griese as a reserve.

Jordan Love looked bad for years backing up Rodgers, even starting out year one as QB3. Now.. In year four the kid looks like something. Deep down, I get the feeling Lance could do the same if he stayed. Not that he'd start, but he could establish himself as a much better player and hopefully get sought after in a trade and get a shot to start somewhere else, get us a better ROI, and give us some depth in the meantime.

Again though, that all would depend on multiple factors coming together -- Darnold not returning, mutual desire from the team and Trey to stay, the right price, and him progressing over time.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I think if the team can't retain Darnold, Trey would be a nice backup to keep around for a few years if there's a mutual desire there. Keep him in the system, let Trey develop here if we can keep him at a fair price.

If Trey's willing to sign for a reasonable contract I'd keep him without a second thought.

I mean, it seems like a win win. Outside of being gifted a starting job somewhere else, if he's gonna be a backup somewhere, I don't know if there's a better opportunity for Trey than continuing to learn under Shanahan and Griese as a reserve.

Jordan Love looked bad for years backing up Rodgers, even starting out year one as QB3. Now.. In year four the kid looks like something. Deep down, I get the feeling Lance could do the same if he stayed. Not that he'd start, but he could establish himself as a much better player and hopefully get sought after in a trade and get a shot to start somewhere else, get us a better ROI, and give us some depth in the meantime.

Again though, that all would depend on multiple factors coming together -- Darnold not returning, mutual desire from the team and Trey to stay, the right price, and him progressing over time.

Yes, Jordan Love seemed to have learned quite a lot in the last 3 years in the NFL, even though he only started 1 game so far. Same for Aaron Rodgers and Jimmy G, they were quite prepared to play when they finally get to be QB1. It seems like Trey hasn't developed as much after 3 training camps. He is still battling to be QB2.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I think if the team can't retain Darnold, Trey would be a nice backup to keep around for a few years if there's a mutual desire there. Keep him in the system, let Trey develop here if we can keep him at a fair price.

If Trey's willing to sign for a reasonable contract I'd keep him without a second thought.

I mean, it seems like a win win. Outside of being gifted a starting job somewhere else, if he's gonna be a backup somewhere, I don't know if there's a better opportunity for Trey than continuing to learn under Shanahan and Griese as a reserve.

Jordan Love looked bad for years backing up Rodgers, even starting out year one as QB3. Now.. In year four the kid looks like something. Deep down, I get the feeling Lance could do the same if he stayed. Not that he'd start, but he could establish himself as a much better player and hopefully get sought after in a trade and get a shot to start somewhere else, get us a better ROI, and give us some depth in the meantime.

Again though, that all would depend on multiple factors coming together -- Darnold not returning, mutual desire from the team and Trey to stay, the right price, and him progressing over time.

We will have to see how the next two years go, because anything can happen - Purdy is the perfect example.

but let's say that hypothetically everything stays the same (Brock stays healthy and QB1) - I don't think it makes sense for Lance to resign here. He'll be 25 with 4 games under his belt. I'd assume he would want to go somewhere to play and prove himself.

i can see darnold actually resigning here for another year or two. He would be 27-28 and have a few years of top notch coaching/preparation. Him being in this environment is really beneficial for him cause he's only been around dysfunction. He would be much more poised to go off somewhere and try to solidify himself.

if I was Trey, and all variables stay consistent as they are right now, I'd leave to a place where I could actually play. Assuming there is a situation like that.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Yes, Jordan Love seemed to have learned quite a lot in the last 3 years in the NFL, even though he only started 1 game so far. Same for Aaron Rodgers and Jimmy G, they were quite prepared to play when they finally get to be QB1. It seems like Trey hasn't developed as much after 3 training camps. He is still battling to be QB2.

The reason, IMO, why Lance hasn't displayed the type of growth that some of us expected is because he really doesn't have a lot of experience to lean on - not just in the pros but in general. There is a difference between textbook theory (practice) and real life application. It's hard to apply a lot if this stuff and understand it if you haven't done it at all in your life.

Love played in 38 college games and 1100+ attempts. Jimmy played a lot in college too. I believe 3-4 years. So it's a different foundation.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I think if the team can't retain Darnold, Trey would be a nice backup to keep around for a few years if there's a mutual desire there. Keep him in the system, let Trey develop here if we can keep him at a fair price.

If Trey's willing to sign for a reasonable contract I'd keep him without a second thought.

I mean, it seems like a win win. Outside of being gifted a starting job somewhere else, if he's gonna be a backup somewhere, I don't know if there's a better opportunity for Trey than continuing to learn under Shanahan and Griese as a reserve.

Jordan Love looked bad for years backing up Rodgers, even starting out year one as QB3. Now.. In year four the kid looks like something. Deep down, I get the feeling Lance could do the same if he stayed. Not that he'd start, but he could establish himself as a much better player and hopefully get sought after in a trade and get a shot to start somewhere else, get us a better ROI, and give us some depth in the meantime.

Again though, that all would depend on multiple factors coming together -- Darnold not returning, mutual desire from the team and Trey to stay, the right price, and him progressing over time.

Yes, Jordan Love seemed to have learned quite a lot in the last 3 years in the NFL, even though he only started 1 game so far. Same for Aaron Rodgers and Jimmy G, they were quite prepared to play when they finally get to be QB1. It seems like Trey hasn't developed as much after 3 training camps. He is still battling to be QB2.

Yesterday after the first drive Trey looked better than Jordan Love looked in last year's preseason.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I think if the team can't retain Darnold, Trey would be a nice backup to keep around for a few years if there's a mutual desire there. Keep him in the system, let Trey develop here if we can keep him at a fair price.

If Trey's willing to sign for a reasonable contract I'd keep him without a second thought.

I mean, it seems like a win win. Outside of being gifted a starting job somewhere else, if he's gonna be a backup somewhere, I don't know if there's a better opportunity for Trey than continuing to learn under Shanahan and Griese as a reserve.

Jordan Love looked bad for years backing up Rodgers, even starting out year one as QB3. Now.. In year four the kid looks like something. Deep down, I get the feeling Lance could do the same if he stayed. Not that he'd start, but he could establish himself as a much better player and hopefully get sought after in a trade and get a shot to start somewhere else, get us a better ROI, and give us some depth in the meantime.

Again though, that all would depend on multiple factors coming together -- Darnold not returning, mutual desire from the team and Trey to stay, the right price, and him progressing over time.

Yes, Jordan Love seemed to have learned quite a lot in the last 3 years in the NFL, even though he only started 1 game so far. Same for Aaron Rodgers and Jimmy G, they were quite prepared to play when they finally get to be QB1. It seems like Trey hasn't developed as much after 3 training camps. He is still battling to be QB2.

Yesterday after the first drive Trey looked better than Jordan Love looked in last year's preseason.

I don't think so. Overall, Trey is having a bad preseason thus far. Very inconsistent. I suppose you can say Trey looked good excluding a bunch of bad plays, but football doesn't work like that.

Also, remember Trey right now has 3 times the NFL start experience compared to Love (excluding Trey's Seahawk game).

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:
i dont believe Trey would ever get cut. however i do believe there's like a 10% chance he could be moved if the opportunity arises if Trey cant supplant Sam. $10M for QB3 is a lot of money. and even if the savings is half that, i could still see the team explore the option. again, $10M for QB3.

Does that % chance you have of Trey being moved equate to a 90% chance you think Trey has of beating out for Brandon Allen for a spot?

it means 90% chance Trey doesnt get traded

Yea and is where on the depth chart? 4th on the scout team? Please finish the thought.

uhhh poor reading comprehension? maybe reread my initial post above and you'll see.

So Your 90% bet is on Trey being QB3. Clarified. Thank you kindly sir.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I don't think so. Overall, Trey is having a bad preseason thus far. Very inconsistent. I suppose you can say Trey looked good excluding a bunch of bad plays, but football doesn't work like that.

Also, remember Trey right now has 3 times the NFL start experience compared to Love (excluding Trey's Seahawk game).

Just curious,...care to cite the duration of play you felt Jordan Love looked better in last year? (Game, quarters, et. al.?)

LETS GET REAL HERE.. had our type of team is a year or 2 away from contending, then TREY is the way to go.. but bottom line is, we have a team that can win now.. we're only a HC who can game plan away from getting back to the Super Bowl..

... and this alone should tell everyone that we can't take the risk of using Trey because of the way we traded up for him.. if we can win with B-Rock, then we go with him.. if Darnold is the better 2nd stringer, then it is what it is..

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

I think if the team can't retain Darnold, Trey would be a nice backup to keep around for a few years if there's a mutual desire there. Keep him in the system, let Trey develop here if we can keep him at a fair price.

If Trey's willing to sign for a reasonable contract I'd keep him without a second thought.

I mean, it seems like a win win. Outside of being gifted a starting job somewhere else, if he's gonna be a backup somewhere, I don't know if there's a better opportunity for Trey than continuing to learn under Shanahan and Griese as a reserve.

Jordan Love looked bad for years backing up Rodgers, even starting out year one as QB3. Now.. In year four the kid looks like something. Deep down, I get the feeling Lance could do the same if he stayed. Not that he'd start, but he could establish himself as a much better player and hopefully get sought after in a trade and get a shot to start somewhere else, get us a better ROI, and give us some depth in the meantime.

Again though, that all would depend on multiple factors coming together -- Darnold not returning, mutual desire from the team and Trey to stay, the right price, and him progressing over time.

We will have to see how the next two years go, because anything can happen - Purdy is the perfect example.

but let's say that hypothetically everything stays the same (Brock stays healthy and QB1) - I don't think it makes sense for Lance to resign here. He'll be 25 with 4 games under his belt. I'd assume he would want to go somewhere to play and prove himself.

i can see darnold actually resigning here for another year or two. He would be 27-28 and have a few years of top notch coaching/preparation. Him being in this environment is really beneficial for him cause he's only been around dysfunction. He would be much more poised to go off somewhere and try to solidify himself.

if I was Trey, and all variables stay consistent as they are right now, I'd leave to a place where I could actually play. Assuming there is a situation like that.

That's why the major caveat as I said is, all things would kind of have to align. No idea how it's gonna go, but.. the one thing I hope doesn't happen is that everyone behind Brock either walks or is traded and we've got no depth all of a sudden.

By next year, I would take a developing Lance over someone like Beathard or some other mid or late round pick just trying to pick things up. Brock Purdys don't grow on trees and I think expecting that kind of miracle to happen again would be pretty ludicrous.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:
i dont believe Trey would ever get cut. however i do believe there's like a 10% chance he could be moved if the opportunity arises if Trey cant supplant Sam. $10M for QB3 is a lot of money. and even if the savings is half that, i could still see the team explore the option. again, $10M for QB3.

Does that % chance you have of Trey being moved equate to a 90% chance you think Trey has of beating out for Brandon Allen for a spot?

it means 90% chance Trey doesnt get traded

Yea and is where on the depth chart? 4th on the scout team? Please finish the thought.

uhhh poor reading comprehension? maybe reread my initial post above and you'll see.

So Your 90% bet is on Trey being QB3. Clarified. Thank you kindly sir.

"if Trey can't supplant Sam"

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
That's why the major caveat as I said is, all things would kind of have to align. No idea how it's gonna go, but.. the one thing I hope doesn't happen is that everyone behind Brock either walks or is traded and we've got no depth all of a sudden.

By next year, I would take a developing Lance over someone like Beathard or some other mid or late round pick just trying to pick things up. Brock Purdys don't grow on trees and I think expecting that kind of miracle to happen again would be pretty ludicrous.

Yeah, that's something I've thought about. If Lance is traded, we will only have one qb on the roster next year under Contraxt and we would have to get another vet and/or young guy and that typically doesn't work out.

i can see Lance being here through his fourth year, it's just after that is when I think it's unlikely. Lance is still relatively cheap in his fourth year and Brock is still freaky cheap next year, so it's still a really cheap QB room. Even if we keep Lance, id kind of like to keep darnold too. I feel like it's a really good QB room, all close in age, talented, and competing with each other to get better. We will see.

we are pretty far out from this issue, I just hope everyone stays healthy in the meantime. I cringe Everytime one of our QBs gets hit because it seems like Everytime they go down, they don't get up over the last 6 years. Lol

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:
i dont believe Trey would ever get cut. however i do believe there's like a 10% chance he could be moved if the opportunity arises if Trey cant supplant Sam. $10M for QB3 is a lot of money. and even if the savings is half that, i could still see the team explore the option. again, $10M for QB3.

Does that % chance you have of Trey being moved equate to a 90% chance you think Trey has of beating out for Brandon Allen for a spot?

it means 90% chance Trey doesnt get traded

Yea and is where on the depth chart? 4th on the scout team? Please finish the thought.

uhhh poor reading comprehension? maybe reread my initial post above and you'll see.

So Your 90% bet is on Trey being QB3. Clarified. Thank you kindly sir.

"if Trey can't supplant Sam"

We are tight on the cap, especially next year, but I'd be surprised if Trey is moved for salary savings reasons. I kinda see him only being moved if the team really likes the offer. I think the team would rather have his depth than the $5M. We would have to sign someone anyways and odds are it would be a few mil for a decent guy anyway. Just my thought

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:
i dont believe Trey would ever get cut. however i do believe there's like a 10% chance he could be moved if the opportunity arises if Trey cant supplant Sam. $10M for QB3 is a lot of money. and even if the savings is half that, i could still see the team explore the option. again, $10M for QB3.

Does that % chance you have of Trey being moved equate to a 90% chance you think Trey has of beating out for Brandon Allen for a spot?

it means 90% chance Trey doesnt get traded

Yea and is where on the depth chart? 4th on the scout team? Please finish the thought.

uhhh poor reading comprehension? maybe reread my initial post above and you'll see.

So Your 90% bet is on Trey being QB3. Clarified. Thank you kindly sir.

"if Trey can't supplant Sam"

We are tight on the cap, especially next year, but I'd be surprised if Trey is moved for salary savings reasons. I kinda see him only being moved if the team really likes the offer. I think the team would rather have his depth than the $5M. We would have to sign someone anyways and odds are it would be a few mil for a decent guy anyway. Just my thought

what do you mean we'd have to sign someone? Allen would be QB3 and the team would have the ability to retain a bubble player already on the roster. salary cap carryover is also a thing. gotta start thinking about retaining Aiyuk.