Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Goatie:
Trey is better than Mullens or CJ but is not as consistent as Darnold. Kyle wants a back up who can come in if Purdy is injured for a game or two and can run the system without changing the game plan. Darnold is more suited to that than Trey because of his consistency and not needing time to warm up when thrown in the game.

I think Trey is at a disadvantage because we know what Sam is and isn't, what positions to put him in to do well and what to keep him out of - since he has so much film. Fortunately, what he does well, is kind of our bread and butter. We don't know what Trey can and can't do consistently, I'm not saying he can't do certain things - just looking at it from a coaches perspective, know what's Sam is and isn't brings comfort. Makes it much easier to put together a good game plan, IMO.

Lol the only thing Sam has been consistent at is consistently being trash.

Then I guess Sam Darnold was inconsistent last year going 4-2 to end the season.

Lol that's what you going use to argue his inconsistency? Cherry pick 6 games from his entire career? Brah honestly you crack me up with some of your posts sometimes. You do know why it's "to end the season" right? Because he lost the starting job to Baker Mayfield. And if the 4-2 was because of him, why didn't they want him back?

Just saying he played pretty good to end the season. You said he was consistent at being trash, typical coming from Trey Lance fans. If Lance went 4-2 to end the season it would be even more crazy in here. Even I would applaud him. But sense its Sam Darnold just continue trash him and bring up his past like it even matters. You guys act like he was a bust on this team and Shanahan is giving him one last chance, not the case at all.

Talk about cherry picking, you guys claim that Trey Lance's one win was the most important game of the season. Lmfao

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Goatie:
Trey is better than Mullens or CJ but is not as consistent as Darnold. Kyle wants a back up who can come in if Purdy is injured for a game or two and can run the system without changing the game plan. Darnold is more suited to that than Trey because of his consistency and not needing time to warm up when thrown in the game.

I think Trey is at a disadvantage because we know what Sam is and isn't, what positions to put him in to do well and what to keep him out of - since he has so much film. Fortunately, what he does well, is kind of our bread and butter. We don't know what Trey can and can't do consistently, I'm not saying he can't do certain things - just looking at it from a coaches perspective, know what's Sam is and isn't brings comfort. Makes it much easier to put together a good game plan, IMO.

Lol the only thing Sam has been consistent at is consistently being trash.

Then I guess Sam Darnold was inconsistent last year going 4-2 to end the season.

Lol that's what you going use to argue his inconsistency? Cherry pick 6 games from his entire career? Brah honestly you crack me up with some of your posts sometimes. You do know why it's "to end the season" right? Because he lost the starting job to Baker Mayfield. And if the 4-2 was because of him, why didn't they want him back?

Just saying he played pretty good to end the season. You said he was consistent at being trash, typical coming from Trey Lance fans. If Lance went 4-2 to end the season it would be even more crazy in here. Even I would applaud him. But sense its Sam Darnold just continue trash him and bring up his past like it even matters. You guys act like he was a bust on this team and Shanahan is giving him one last chance, not the case at all.

Talk about cherry picking, you guys claim that Trey Lance's one win was the most important game of the season. Lmfao

That one and only win Trey did all by himself was against the Texans when they were the worst team in the comp. He would not be in the NFL now if he had lost that game so I guess it was a career saver.

Darnold suits Kyle's plans and the system better at the moment.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Goatie:
Trey is better than Mullens or CJ but is not as consistent as Darnold. Kyle wants a back up who can come in if Purdy is injured for a game or two and can run the system without changing the game plan. Darnold is more suited to that than Trey because of his consistency and not needing time to warm up when thrown in the game.

I think Trey is at a disadvantage because we know what Sam is and isn't, what positions to put him in to do well and what to keep him out of - since he has so much film. Fortunately, what he does well, is kind of our bread and butter. We don't know what Trey can and can't do consistently, I'm not saying he can't do certain things - just looking at it from a coaches perspective, know what's Sam is and isn't brings comfort. Makes it much easier to put together a good game plan, IMO.

Lol the only thing Sam has been consistent at is consistently being trash.

Then I guess Sam Darnold was inconsistent last year going 4-2 to end the season.

Lol that's what you going use to argue his inconsistency? Cherry pick 6 games from his entire career? Brah honestly you crack me up with some of your posts sometimes. You do know why it's "to end the season" right? Because he lost the starting job to Baker Mayfield. And if the 4-2 was because of him, why didn't they want him back?

Just saying he played pretty good to end the season. You said he was consistent at being trash, typical coming from Trey Lance fans. If Lance went 4-2 to end the season it would be even more crazy in here. Even I would applaud him. But sense its Sam Darnold just continue trash him and bring up his past like it even matters. You guys act like he was a bust on this team and Shanahan is giving him one last chance, not the case at all.

Talk about cherry picking, you guys claim that Trey Lance's one win was the most important game of the season. Lmfao

WTF does Trey have to do with this? But since you like bring him up cause you have a weird hate for him, hated him from the start, we can go there. Just keep it real braddah, you hated him and never gave him a chance cause he's the guy that was picked to replace your precious Jimmy. If Lance went 4-2 after sucking for 5 years and 55+ games then you better believe I'd be over that experience and call him trash as well. So someone's past doesn't matter huh? Interesting take. So if we signed Jamarcus Russell tomorrow, clean slate for you? It's different cause he never played for Shanahan and these weapons? He wasn't a bust on this team, great point lol He didn't have a chance to be one yet. Dude was a bust for the other two teams he came from, not even debatable. And your last point is all any of you Lance haters try to bring up. It gets brought up by those who support him because despite your beliefs, it was a must win game and he rose to the occasion. You guys act like we have plenty of games to choose from or something. And yeah it was the most important game of the season at that time. Lmao at you thinking that is some gotcha moment.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Just saying he played pretty good to end the season. You said he was consistent at being trash, typical coming from Trey Lance fans. If Lance went 4-2 to end the season it would be even more crazy in here. Even I would applaud him. But sense its Sam Darnold just continue trash him and bring up his past like it even matters. You guys act like he was a bust on this team and Shanahan is giving him one last chance, not the case at all.

Talk about cherry picking, you guys claim that Trey Lance's one win was the most important game of the season. Lmfao

So are we saying stuff like QB rating matters now? Because that's what everyone points to with Sam's last couple games in NC. It's like no one actually watched the games and saw the reason they won, was because they ran the ball at a high efficiency, not because Sam balled out. His last "win" he had 2 INTs and completed 33% of his passes.

Why does the past not matter at all when evaluating a player? Dude is on his 3rd team in 6 yrs. He actually got to play football and he legit was one of the worst starting QBs in football for half a decade.

Objectively, if Trey went 4-2 in his only 6 starts this past yr (as QB1) that's massively different than Sam going 4-2 after having 49 starts under his belt.

now I'm not saying he can't improve, I would expect him to play his best football here on this team. I don't think he's gonna turn into Steve Young or anything though. Overall he doesn't see the field well and at this point in his career that's something that he should have improved upon. His mechanics aren't good. Pressure is not his friend. The scheme and talent will help him, more than him just becoming a "good" QB.

I won't be shocked if he's named QB2 for the simple fact that he's played NFL football. You want your backup to have experience….imo that's what he is now, a backup. Lance still has a chance to be a good starting NFL QB, but he has to play football to do that and I'm not sure he's gonna get that here.

there's a TON of pressure on Brock imo. Kid doesn't get afforded the chance to regress or play though a bunch of stuff here. Like everyone said this is a SB or bust team, there's no "time" to develop a QB. He's gotta be good now. I think both Sam and Lance can win a game or two if called upon. Lance needs to actually develop and play football, he needs to know if he throws a bad ball that he's not gonna get benched. He can't play hesitant and that's what he's doing early in games.

we will see, the season is long and a bunch of s**t will happen. Always does

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So are we saying stuff like QB rating matters now? Because that's what everyone points to with Sam's last couple games in NC. It's like no one actually watched the games and saw the reason they won, was because they ran the ball at a high efficiency, not because Sam balled out. His last "win" he had 2 INTs and completed 33% of his passes.

Why does the past not matter at all when evaluating a player? Dude is on his 3rd team in 6 yrs. He actually got to play football and he legit was one of the worst starting QBs in football for half a decade.

Objectively, if Trey went 4-2 in his only 6 starts this past yr (as QB1) that's massively different than Sam going 4-2 after having 49 starts under his belt.

now I'm not saying he can't improve, I would expect him to play his best football here on this team. I don't think he's gonna turn into Steve Young or anything though. Overall he doesn't see the field well and at this point in his career that's something that he should have improved upon. His mechanics aren't good. Pressure is not his friend. The scheme and talent will help him, more than him just becoming a "good" QB.

I won't be shocked if he's named QB2 for the simple fact that he's played NFL football. You want your backup to have experience….imo that's what he is now, a backup. Lance still has a chance to be a good starting NFL QB, but he has to play football to do that and I'm not sure he's gonna get that here.

there's a TON of pressure on Brock imo. Kid doesn't get afforded the chance to regress or play though a bunch of stuff here. Like everyone said this is a SB or bust team, there's no "time" to develop a QB. He's gotta be good now. I think both Sam and Lance can win a game or two if called upon. Lance needs to actually develop and play football, he needs to know if he throws a bad ball that he's not gonna get benched. He can't play hesitant and that's what he's doing early in games.

we will see, the season is long and a bunch of s**t will happen. Always does

The bolded could not be more wrong. Trey has been playing for a Rolls Royce team that is SB caliber. On the other hand Darnold has been playing on Hyundi teams that struggle to win and get within sight of the playoffs.

Both are 3rd round picks and should be much better given their draft status.

But along comes a rookie last in the draft and goes and does what the 3rd Round Picks should have done. Played his back side off and impressed the world. Trey has never done this. Darnold has at times. At the moment he is looking better than Trey on preseason form. At best maybe Trey gets better but he has hardly set the world on fire has he?

Originally posted by Goatie:
The bolded could not be more wrong. Trey has been playing for a Rolls Royce team that is SB caliber. On the other hand Darnold has been playing on Hyundi teams that struggle to win and get within sight of the playoffs.

Both are 3rd round picks and should be much better given their draft status.

But along comes a rookie last in the draft and goes and does what the 3rd Round Picks should have done. Played his back side off and impressed the world. Trey has never done this. Darnold has at times. At the moment he is looking better than Trey on preseason form. At best maybe Trey gets better but he has hardly set the world on fire has he?

Darnold has never impressed the world. If he had he'd still be starting in the NFL.

The reality is if in the regular season Sam has to start the only chance the offense has is everything to go perfectly on every play. If it doesn't he will be lost and it'll be punts or turnovers. That's who the guy is at this point unfortunately.

Originally posted by Goatie:
The bolded could not be more wrong. Trey has been playing for a Rolls Royce team that is SB caliber. On the other hand Darnold has been playing on Hyundi teams that struggle to win and get within sight of the playoffs.

There is no real way around that....

Even the worst QB in the NFL, likely would be better on this team then off this team.

My thoughts on Shanny were cemented by watching Mullins pull off his Dan Marino impersonation going for nearly 300 yards a game with marginal WRs+ Kittle. As much as we like Brock, Mullins was almost throwing for TWICE the yardage per game. Sure there is a massive amount of things that go into playing QB in the NFL then just yardage...but still, it is not something that just happens in the NFL at will.

Now this team has the best collection of skill position players in the NFL, and maybe in the history of the 49ers.

I would suspect, Shanny can find a way to make Trey and Darnold be functional as NFL QBs.....wether that is enough to win playoff games is some thing else altogether.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Goatie:
The bolded could not be more wrong. Trey has been playing for a Rolls Royce team that is SB caliber. On the other hand Darnold has been playing on Hyundi teams that struggle to win and get within sight of the playoffs.

Both are 3rd round picks and should be much better given their draft status.

But along comes a rookie last in the draft and goes and does what the 3rd Round Picks should have done. Played his back side off and impressed the world. Trey has never done this. Darnold has at times. At the moment he is looking better than Trey on preseason form. At best maybe Trey gets better but he has hardly set the world on fire has he?

Darnold has never impressed the world. If he had he'd still be starting in the NFL.

The reality is if in the regular season Sam has to start the only chance the offense has is everything to go perfectly on every play. If it doesn't he will be lost and it'll be punts or turnovers. That's who the guy is at this point unfortunately.

Him thinking that's wrong then going on some weird tangent that had nothing to do with what I said sounds about right. Dude WAS one of the main problems for not getting to the playoffs. He's the damn QB.

Point is people are trying to put Sam and Lance on the same playing field. One guy had 1,800 passing attempts and over 50 starts, mostly him being one of the worst starting QBs in football vs one with 170 random passing attempts, zero back to back starts finishing both games and one offseason of starter reps. Give me a break with the nonsense.

it's not even remotely close to the same situation…absolutely team and coaching matters. Acting like Sam had absolutely nothing and was the victim for his poor play is right on par for people trying to s**t on Lance every step of the way. It's pathetic imo.

sam hasn't done s**t in this league to get the benefit of the doubt…let's stop pretending like he has to downplay Lance. Dude has stunk for YEARS and actually got to show it in A LOT of football games.

Why even bother to have a convo when we can't even establish normal obvious s**t? Sam gets 5 yrs of excuses, hasn't played any better than Lance even though he's got over 50 starts under his belt. Lance gets "he's had his chance" b******t narrative for those fans.

We get it some of ya'll dislike him for whatever reason. Maybe be less bias about it for once. The hypocrisy in the Sam vs Lance stuff is no blatantly obvious.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Him thinking that's wrong then going on some weird tangent that had nothing to do with what I said sounds about right. Dude WAS one of the main problems for not getting to the playoffs. He's the damn QB.

Point is people are trying to put Sam and Lance on the same playing field. One guy had 1,800 passing attempts and over 50 starts, mostly him being one of the worst starting QBs in football vs one with 170 random passing attempts, zero back to back starts finishing both games and one offseason of starter reps. Give me a break with the nonsense.

it's not even remotely close to the same situation…absolutely team and coaching matters. Acting like Sam had absolutely nothing and was the victim for his poor play is right on par for people trying to s**t on Lance every step of the way. It's pathetic imo.

sam hasn't done s**t in this league to get the benefit of the doubt…let's stop pretending like he has to downplay Lance. Dude has stunk for YEARS and actually got to show it in A LOT of football games.

Why even bother to have a convo when we can't even establish normal obvious s**t? Sam gets 5 yrs of excuses, hasn't played any better than Lance even though he's got over 50 starts under his belt. Lance gets "he's had his chance" b******t narrative for those fans.

We get it some of ya'll dislike him for whatever reason. Maybe be less bias about it for once. The hypocrisy in the Sam vs Lance stuff is no blatantly obvious.

What never gets mentioned is Teddy Bridgewater played on the same Hyundai team with bad coaching and was superior to Sam.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Him thinking that's wrong then going on some weird tangent that had nothing to do with what I said sounds about right. Dude WAS one of the main problems for not getting to the playoffs. He's the damn QB.

Point is people are trying to put Sam and Lance on the same playing field. One guy had 1,800 passing attempts and over 50 starts, mostly him being one of the worst starting QBs in football vs one with 170 random passing attempts, zero back to back starts finishing both games and one offseason of starter reps. Give me a break with the nonsense.

it's not even remotely close to the same situation…absolutely team and coaching matters. Acting like Sam had absolutely nothing and was the victim for his poor play is right on par for people trying to s**t on Lance every step of the way. It's pathetic imo.

sam hasn't done s**t in this league to get the benefit of the doubt…let's stop pretending like he has to downplay Lance. Dude has stunk for YEARS and actually got to show it in A LOT of football games.

Why even bother to have a convo when we can't even establish normal obvious s**t? Sam gets 5 yrs of excuses, hasn't played any better than Lance even though he's got over 50 starts under his belt. Lance gets "he's had his chance" b******t narrative for those fans.

We get it some of ya'll dislike him for whatever reason. Maybe be less bias about it for once. The hypocrisy in the Sam vs Lance stuff is no blatantly obvious.

What never gets mentioned is Teddy Bridgewater played on the same Hyundai team with bad coaching and was superior to Sam.

Oops lol…Also Sam has had 90 TOs in 5yrs WTF is that?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Goatie:
The bolded could not be more wrong. Trey has been playing for a Rolls Royce team that is SB caliber. On the other hand Darnold has been playing on Hyundi teams that struggle to win and get within sight of the playoffs.

Both are 3rd round picks and should be much better given their draft status.

But along comes a rookie last in the draft and goes and does what the 3rd Round Picks should have done. Played his back side off and impressed the world. Trey has never done this. Darnold has at times. At the moment he is looking better than Trey on preseason form. At best maybe Trey gets better but he has hardly set the world on fire has he?

Darnold has never impressed the world. If he had he'd still be starting in the NFL.

The reality is if in the regular season Sam has to start the only chance the offense has is everything to go perfectly on every play. If it doesn't he will be lost and it'll be punts or turnovers. That's who the guy is at this point unfortunately.

Him thinking that's wrong then going on some weird tangent that had nothing to do with what I said sounds about right. Dude WAS one of the main problems for not getting to the playoffs. He's the damn QB.

Point is people are trying to put Sam and Lance on the same playing field. One guy had 1,800 passing attempts and over 50 starts, mostly him being one of the worst starting QBs in football vs one with 170 random passing attempts, zero back to back starts finishing both games and one offseason of starter reps. Give me a break with the nonsense.

it's not even remotely close to the same situation…absolutely team and coaching matters. Acting like Sam had absolutely nothing and was the victim for his poor play is right on par for people trying to s**t on Lance every step of the way. It's pathetic imo.

sam hasn't done s**t in this league to get the benefit of the doubt…let's stop pretending like he has to downplay Lance. Dude has stunk for YEARS and actually got to show it in A LOT of football games.

Why even bother to have a convo when we can't even establish normal obvious s**t? Sam gets 5 yrs of excuses, hasn't played any better than Lance even though he's got over 50 starts under his belt. Lance gets "he's had his chance" b******t narrative for those fans.

We get it some of ya'll dislike him for whatever reason. Maybe be less bias about it for once. The hypocrisy in the Sam vs Lance stuff is no blatantly obvious.

There's probably a lot of USC fans that have had hard ons for Darnold since his college days. He's looked better on a better team, but I don't have much confidence in him. If Trey can continue to improve, then I'd rather have him around than Sam.

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Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Goatie:
Trey is better than Mullens or CJ but is not as consistent as Darnold. Kyle wants a back up who can come in if Purdy is injured for a game or two and can run the system without changing the game plan. Darnold is more suited to that than Trey because of his consistency and not needing time to warm up when thrown in the game.

I think Trey is at a disadvantage because we know what Sam is and isn't, what positions to put him in to do well and what to keep him out of - since he has so much film. Fortunately, what he does well, is kind of our bread and butter. We don't know what Trey can and can't do consistently, I'm not saying he can't do certain things - just looking at it from a coaches perspective, know what's Sam is and isn't brings comfort. Makes it much easier to put together a good game plan, IMO.

Lol the only thing Sam has been consistent at is consistently being trash.

Then I guess Sam Darnold was inconsistent last year going 4-2 to end the season.

He won some meaningless games against a couple bad teams. He was also just okay in those games. Sam isn't the answer. I live in Charlotte and listen to the local sports radio a lot, him and Rhule were constantly getting trashed.

He help beat Seattle in Seattle. Rhule and Darnold getting trashed means absolutely nothing. If it did you think Shanahan would've signed him??

It means he wasn't good. Hence the 5 mil 1 year contract / backup role. Not sure what point you're trying to make, teams need serviceable backup QBs.

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Goatie:
Trey is better than Mullens or CJ but is not as consistent as Darnold. Kyle wants a back up who can come in if Purdy is injured for a game or two and can run the system without changing the game plan. Darnold is more suited to that than Trey because of his consistency and not needing time to warm up when thrown in the game.

I think Trey is at a disadvantage because we know what Sam is and isn't, what positions to put him in to do well and what to keep him out of - since he has so much film. Fortunately, what he does well, is kind of our bread and butter. We don't know what Trey can and can't do consistently, I'm not saying he can't do certain things - just looking at it from a coaches perspective, know what's Sam is and isn't brings comfort. Makes it much easier to put together a good game plan, IMO.

Lol the only thing Sam has been consistent at is consistently being trash.

Then I guess Sam Darnold was inconsistent last year going 4-2 to end the season.

He won some meaningless games against a couple bad teams. He was also just okay in those games. Sam isn't the answer. I live in Charlotte and listen to the local sports radio a lot, him and Rhule were constantly getting trashed.

Oh great dude who doesn't even understand the basics of a salary cap is back. Go be a raiders fan pls, you will fit in much better there.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Him thinking that's wrong then going on some weird tangent that had nothing to do with what I said sounds about right. Dude WAS one of the main problems for not getting to the playoffs. He's the damn QB.

Point is people are trying to put Sam and Lance on the same playing field. One guy had 1,800 passing attempts and over 50 starts, mostly him being one of the worst starting QBs in football vs one with 170 random passing attempts, zero back to back starts finishing both games and one offseason of starter reps. Give me a break with the nonsense.

it's not even remotely close to the same situation…absolutely team and coaching matters. Acting like Sam had absolutely nothing and was the victim for his poor play is right on par for people trying to s**t on Lance every step of the way. It's pathetic imo.

sam hasn't done s**t in this league to get the benefit of the doubt…let's stop pretending like he has to downplay Lance. Dude has stunk for YEARS and actually got to show it in A LOT of football games.

Why even bother to have a convo when we can't even establish normal obvious s**t? Sam gets 5 yrs of excuses, hasn't played any better than Lance even though he's got over 50 starts under his belt. Lance gets "he's had his chance" b******t narrative for those fans.

We get it some of ya'll dislike him for whatever reason. Maybe be less bias about it for once. The hypocrisy in the Sam vs Lance stuff is no blatantly obvious.

What never gets mentioned is Teddy Bridgewater played on the same Hyundai team with bad coaching and was superior to Sam.

Oops lol…Also Sam has had 90 TOs in 5yrs WTF is that?

Consistency.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Just saying he played pretty good to end the season. You said he was consistent at being trash, typical coming from Trey Lance fans. If Lance went 4-2 to end the season it would be even more crazy in here. Even I would applaud him. But sense its Sam Darnold just continue trash him and bring up his past like it even matters. You guys act like he was a bust on this team and Shanahan is giving him one last chance, not the case at all.

Talk about cherry picking, you guys claim that Trey Lance's one win was the most important game of the season. Lmfao

So a game that if we lost would have put us out of the playoffs wasnt the most important game of the season? Ok.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
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It means he wasn't good. Hence the 5 mil 1 year contract / backup role. Not sure what point you're trying to make, teams need serviceable backup QBs.

Oh great dude who doesn't even understand the basics of a salary cap is back. Go be a raiders fan pls, you will fit in much better there.

He is lamenting not having a 22.5 mil backup qb in the other thread.