Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So are we saying stuff like QB rating matters now? Because that's what everyone points to with Sam's last couple games in NC. It's like no one actually watched the games and saw the reason they won, was because they ran the ball at a high efficiency, not because Sam balled out. His last "win" he had 2 INTs and completed 33% of his passes.

Why does the past not matter at all when evaluating a player? Dude is on his 3rd team in 6 yrs. He actually got to play football and he legit was one of the worst starting QBs in football for half a decade.

Objectively, if Trey went 4-2 in his only 6 starts this past yr (as QB1) that's massively different than Sam going 4-2 after having 49 starts under his belt.

now I'm not saying he can't improve, I would expect him to play his best football here on this team. I don't think he's gonna turn into Steve Young or anything though. Overall he doesn't see the field well and at this point in his career that's something that he should have improved upon. His mechanics aren't good. Pressure is not his friend. The scheme and talent will help him, more than him just becoming a "good" QB.

I won't be shocked if he's named QB2 for the simple fact that he's played NFL football. You want your backup to have experience….imo that's what he is now, a backup. Lance still has a chance to be a good starting NFL QB, but he has to play football to do that and I'm not sure he's gonna get that here.

there's a TON of pressure on Brock imo. Kid doesn't get afforded the chance to regress or play though a bunch of stuff here. Like everyone said this is a SB or bust team, there's no "time" to develop a QB. He's gotta be good now. I think both Sam and Lance can win a game or two if called upon. Lance needs to actually develop and play football, he needs to know if he throws a bad ball that he's not gonna get benched. He can't play hesitant and that's what he's doing early in games.

we will see, the season is long and a bunch of s**t will happen. Always does

Webzone is a funny, yet predictable beast.

If a QB is well liked, it doesnt matter how he performs. If he wins, nothing else matters, and posters calling out the QB for poor play in a win will result in said posters being called haters. If he loses, then all of a sudden everything else matters. It has been like that since the Alex Smith days. Its ridiculously silly, but thats our WZ for us!

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Goatie:
Trey is better than Mullens or CJ but is not as consistent as Darnold. Kyle wants a back up who can come in if Purdy is injured for a game or two and can run the system without changing the game plan. Darnold is more suited to that than Trey because of his consistency and not needing time to warm up when thrown in the game.

I think Trey is at a disadvantage because we know what Sam is and isn't, what positions to put him in to do well and what to keep him out of - since he has so much film. Fortunately, what he does well, is kind of our bread and butter. We don't know what Trey can and can't do consistently, I'm not saying he can't do certain things - just looking at it from a coaches perspective, know what's Sam is and isn't brings comfort. Makes it much easier to put together a good game plan, IMO.

Lol the only thing Sam has been consistent at is consistently being trash.

What does that say for Trey that he's in competition with such trash for the backup job?

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by boast:
what do you mean we'd have to sign someone? Allen would be QB3 and the team would have the ability to retain a bubble player already on the roster. salary cap carryover is also a thing. gotta start thinking about retaining Aiyuk.

If Brock stays healthy and plays well, I think it's highly unlikely we spend any money we don't have to on the backup position. We'd take the usual approach teams take with an established QB1. Wouldn't expect either Lance or Darnold to be on the roster.

Hmm why not darnold? $3.5-$7M is the range for most quality back ups. It's funny cause darnold is going to be back to back highest paid backup in the league last year and this year.

i just don't think we go with two well paid backups next year. I'd rather have a vet and then a young cheap guy

Is that true? Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Jacoby Brissett, Tyrod Taylor, Trubisky, Heinke made more than Darnold.

I think paying quality QB2 $5 to 6M a year is not unreasonable.

Base salary wise, yeah. I think Jimmy ended up being #1 cause he had a ton of incentives built in and he played like 12 games or so

Originally posted by NYniner85:

"I thought Trey played better this week than last week. He's got some tunnel vision...I think he just lacks playing time. I think Sam has underwhelmed." @BaldyNFL on the 49ers backup QBs
(@MorningRoast957)

— 95.7 The Game (@957thegame) August 22, 2023

Very fair take. Why Baldy is so good.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

"I thought Trey played better this week than last week. He's got some tunnel vision...I think he just lacks playing time. I think Sam has underwhelmed." @BaldyNFL on the 49ers backup QBs
(@MorningRoast957)

— 95.7 The Game (@957thegame) August 22, 2023

Very fair take. Why Baldy is so good.

Agreed on both points.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Hmm why not darnold? $3.5-$7M is the range for most quality back ups. It's funny cause darnold is going to be back to back highest paid backup in the league last year and this year.

i just don't think we go with two well paid backups next year. I'd rather have a vet and then a young cheap guy

I would assume there's a good chance Darnold would want to move on if our QB1 is established.

If not though, I still can't see us spending that kind of money on a backup. I think we only spent on backups the last two years because of uncertainty around Trey's ability and Brock's health.

I think the plan going forward would look more like it did at the beginning of last season… where we spent 2 million on Sudfeld and drafted a guy late.

It's possible with the new QB rule that teams do delicate a little more money to a 3rd QB..
I do understand that's hard to do with the cap though.

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

"I thought Trey played better this week than last week. He's got some tunnel vision...I think he just lacks playing time. I think Sam has underwhelmed." @BaldyNFL on the 49ers backup QBs
(@MorningRoast957)

— 95.7 The Game (@957thegame) August 22, 2023

Very fair take. Why Baldy is so good.

Agreed on both points.

Same. I still have no clue what people are so high on Sam for. I get he has more experience and that's Treys main downfall but besides that Sam has had chance after chance and he's still a possible 3rd stringer.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Same. I still have no clue what people are so high on Sam for. I get he has more experience and that's Treys main downfall but besides that Sam has had chance after chance and he's still a possible 3rd stringer.

because it doesnt matter what people think, only what Shanny thinks.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

"I thought Trey played better this week than last week. He's got some tunnel vision...I think he just lacks playing time. I think Sam has underwhelmed." @BaldyNFL on the 49ers backup QBs
(@MorningRoast957)

— 95.7 The Game (@957thegame) August 22, 2023

Very fair take. Why Baldy is so good.

I wonder what he's seeing that makes him say Sam has underwhelmed. He has seemed fine to me, though to be fair, Sam has never really played bad in a pre-season in his life. It's in games that actually matter where he's crumbled.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

"I thought Trey played better this week than last week. He's got some tunnel vision...I think he just lacks playing time. I think Sam has underwhelmed." @BaldyNFL on the 49ers backup QBs
(@MorningRoast957)

— 95.7 The Game (@957thegame) August 22, 2023

Very fair take. Why Baldy is so good.

Agreed on both points.

Same. I still have no clue what people are so high on Sam for. I get he has more experience and that's Treys main downfall but besides that Sam has had chance after chance and he's still a possible 3rd stringer.

I personally thought I'd see darnold be less accurate and more turnovers, so he's impressed me from that point. I also hoped Lance would outshine him relatively easily - because you look at them both through different lenses.

i view darnold through the Lense of "is he showing me he's capable of being a reliable backup? Being accurate, consistent, protecting the ball" - because that's what darnold is to me at this point, either a backup or a bridge QB for a young guy someone Newly drafts.

with Lance, I look at him like "is he showing that he's capable of being a top starting qb in this league AKA a "Franchise QB"". It's a harsher analysis, you really have to compare him to Purdy and it's night and day, so then the fact I'm even having to seriously wonder "who's better right now/this year Darnold or Lance?" Makes me sick. Lol

so to me, we are evaluating each QB through a different lense. Darnold is being viewed strictly as a high end back up and Lance as a potential player to overtake Brock. That's why I'm so harsh on Lance, he was drafted to be "the guy" and he can't even outshine official bust darnold. It's a bummer. I think we are good hands for a backup qb play though.

Before anyone jumps on me, I think Lance looks much improved and much more like a pro qb. He's had some really nice throws this pre season. I just think the big difference right now (in kyles mind) is lances volatility. This final game will be really fun and interesting.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Same. I still have no clue what people are so high on Sam for. I get he has more experience and that's Treys main downfall but besides that Sam has had chance after chance and he's still a possible 3rd stringer.

because it doesnt matter what people think, only what Shanny thinks.

....which, no one here currently knows. We can only wait for his decisions.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

"I thought Trey played better this week than last week. He's got some tunnel vision...I think he just lacks playing time. I think Sam has underwhelmed." @BaldyNFL on the 49ers backup QBs
(@MorningRoast957)

— 95.7 The Game (@957thegame) August 22, 2023

Very fair take. Why Baldy is so good.

I wonder what he's seeing that makes him say Sam has underwhelmed. He has seemed fine to me, though to be fair, Sam has never really played bad in a pre-season in his life. It's in games that actually matter where he's crumbled.

He has yet to put together long sustained drives from what I recall in pre-season. String six or so together. Trey has especially later game.

And I am 100 percent in agreement. Sam has a bunch of games under his belt. You've seen what you get. Trey, same but the answer for him is you've seen nothing as not enough film and play time. I see Trey improving. I like Trey incredibly but all on board with Brock BUT DO NOT kid yourself, there may come a day in a year or two of play time where he eclipses Brock. It could happen and we don't know.

Trey should be two.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I wonder what he's seeing that makes him say Sam has underwhelmed. He has seemed fine to me, though to be fair, Sam has never really played bad in a pre-season in his life. It's in games that actually matter where he's crumbled.

Harder to hit the wide open first read when teams are scheming against you. I'd imagine Baldy wants to see him hit more than one tight window throw or get to the 3rd read on a play by staying in and processing. I know I do.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

"I thought Trey played better this week than last week. He's got some tunnel vision...I think he just lacks playing time. I think Sam has underwhelmed." @BaldyNFL on the 49ers backup QBs
(@MorningRoast957)

— 95.7 The Game (@957thegame) August 22, 2023

Very fair take. Why Baldy is so good.

Agreed on both points.

Same. I still have no clue what people are so high on Sam for. I get he has more experience and that's Treys main downfall but besides that Sam has had chance after chance and he's still a possible 3rd stringer.

The fact that Lance and Sam are right on par through camp is more of a meh on Sam's part then Lance.

he's got 5 yrs worth of NFL football and a ton of talent, yet here we are still debating who's better?

who knows maybe Sam puts it all together and becomes Steve Young 2.0. I'm not gonna hold my breath on that one though.