Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:

Kyle Shanahan says 49ers' scout team QB duties can alternate week-to-week between Trey Lance and Sam Darnold, depending on which QB can best emulate opposing offenses fro SF's practice purposes

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 22, 2023

i was saying this the other day. Makes sense. Kyle really sounds like he's making it 2A & 2B. Wonder who will be active on gameday, that'll have a big impact salary wise for darnold if he isn't active

I also said this somewhere. Shanahan's got ample reason to keep it ambiguous as long as possible each week, and also good reason for each to be used on scout teams depending on the opponent, and potentially different skill sets for game planning (mostly Trey with running it behind the center kind of stuff). And then he doesn't want to ruin the confidence of either one for no good reason.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

"I thought Trey played better this week than last week. He's got some tunnel vision...I think he just lacks playing time. I think Sam has underwhelmed." @BaldyNFL on the 49ers backup QBs
(@MorningRoast957)

— 95.7 The Game (@957thegame) August 22, 2023

Very fair take. Why Baldy is so good.

Agreed on both points.

Same. I still have no clue what people are so high on Sam for. I get he has more experience and that's Treys main downfall but besides that Sam has had chance after chance and he's still a possible 3rd stringer.

The fact that Lance and Sam are right on par through camp is more of a meh on Sam's part then Lance.

he's got 5 yrs worth of NFL football and a ton of talent, yet here we are still debating who's better?

who knows maybe Sam puts it all together and becomes Steve Young 2.0. I'm not gonna hold my breath on that one though.

I agree 100% with Baldy that we should keep Lance around for as long as we can at the right price.

The old saying rings true here: "It's better to have and not need, than need and not have."

At the end of the day, Brock and Trey are the only QBs under contract for 2024.

Yup, agreed. I'm happy we got the guys we do right now. We don't have that star QB but they're all capable of winning games.

It's too soon to say one way or another if we have star qbs or not.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

"I thought Trey played better this week than last week. He's got some tunnel vision...I think he just lacks playing time. I think Sam has underwhelmed." @BaldyNFL on the 49ers backup QBs
(@MorningRoast957)

— 95.7 The Game (@957thegame) August 22, 2023

Very fair take. Why Baldy is so good.

Agreed on both points.

Same. I still have no clue what people are so high on Sam for. I get he has more experience and that's Treys main downfall but besides that Sam has had chance after chance and he's still a possible 3rd stringer.

The fact that Lance and Sam are right on par through camp is more of a meh on Sam's part then Lance.

he's got 5 yrs worth of NFL football and a ton of talent, yet here we are still debating who's better?

who knows maybe Sam puts it all together and becomes Steve Young 2.0. I'm not gonna hold my breath on that one though.

I agree. I have seen enough of Sam in actual games that I really don't see the hype for him at all.
I feel Trey should be #2 and should be getting more reps then Sam and would feel more comfortable going into a game with Trey, then Sam.
Even the unknowns of Trey give me more comfort than what I've seen out of Sam! Lol

Eh, Sam has mad some excellent throws in pre-season.

EDIT: Trey Lance.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I look forward to Bell and Trey hooking up more in the short passing game against the Chargers. If I was Trey and I have Bell as my WR, I'd be throwing to him all day. Basically I would just audible to a run if I see the Chargers loading up on the pass, and basically audible to Bell as the hot receiver after a good run by the RB, or anytime I'm throwing the ball.

that would definitely put Trey in Shanny's good graces

Hey if it's a TD or a first down, Kyle will Definity have a lot of mucho gracias for Trey.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Eh, Sam has mad some excellent throws in pre-season.

EDIT: Trey Lance.

Lol I hope Lance lights it up against the Chargers, really rooting for him. They gotta let him play. Some of those throws were total 🔥

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Eh, Sam has mad some excellent throws in pre-season.

EDIT: Trey Lance.

Lol I hope Lance lights it up against the Chargers, really rooting for him. They gotta let him play. Some of those throws were total 🔥

We'll see if it was a mental switch that needed to be turned on or if being passive and hesitant is too ingrained into him I suppose.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Silky:
So what's the benefit if it's still a 53 man roster? I dun get it

46 +1 active on game days. the +1 being a QB designated before the game who can only enter the game if QB1 and QB2 get injured.

They should have done 53+1 as well.

ehh. i dunno about that. it's not like it's mandatory that teams must carry three QBs on the 53 or have an emergency QB on game days.

I know it's not mandatory. But allowing a 53+1 (only if it's for the emergency QB) would mean not taking a hit at depth at another position.

Hmmmm,...still not understanding why you're saying 53 because we get to elevate to PS players weekly and choose our active players from 55 bodies now.

The emergency QB is only an active player issue (with the QB being the 1 caveat). Making the list 54 for 1 QB that wouldn't be allowed to play would be counter-productive to what the NFL wants,...which is for QB talent to be distributed as evenly as possible across the league.

I mean just look @ us with Josh Johnson last year. And u think Lance is bad,...lol, but talk about some bad, bad quality of football.

So again,...32 additional QBs kept under wraps in the a "54 man" roster when the 32 guys would never really play anyway would really makes no sense, and you'll never see this become an additional rule.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Kyle Shanahan says 49ers' scout team QB duties can alternate week-to-week between Trey Lance and Sam Darnold, depending on which QB can best emulate opposing offenses fro SF's practice purposes

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 22, 2023

i was saying this the other day. Makes sense. Kyle really sounds like he's making it 2A & 2B. Wonder who will be active on gameday, that'll have a big impact salary wise for darnold if he isn't active

I also said this somewhere. Shanahan's got ample reason to keep it ambiguous as long as possible each week, and also good reason for each to be used on scout teams depending on the opponent, and potentially different skill sets for game planning (mostly Trey with running it behind the center kind of stuff). And then he doesn't want to ruin the confidence of either one for no good reason.

Not this again. Can Shanahan stop being smarter than everyone else? You have a talented roster. You don't need to play these games. Just go out and punch teams in the mouth.

Does Trey get paid more if he starts based on his #3 overall rookie contract?

If not, this guy is winning! He will be allowed to walk after next season and he will be able to sign with any team he wants to sign with. This is horrible for us, but at least the player is winning from a financial standpoint. He will have a much longer career once he gets to a system that actually values protecting its QB's.

If we trade him, I believe his contract is still fully guaranteed and we get stuck with the dead money?

This is why we must make better draft decisions in the first round. Remember being stuck with Solomon Thomas' contract when we could have had Mahomes?

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Does Trey get paid more if he starts based on his #3 overall rookie contract?

If not, this guy is winning! He will be allowed to walk after next season and he will be able to sign with any team he wants to sign with. This is horrible for us, but at least the player is winning from a financial standpoint. He will have a much longer career once he gets to a system that actually values protecting its QB's.

If we trade him, I believe his contract is still fully guaranteed and we get stuck with the dead money?

This is why we must make better draft decisions in the first round. Remember being stuck with Solomon Thomas' contract when we could have had Mahomes?

Steve Young just said "Trey will never be an elite thrower of the football" on Eisen just now

Originally posted by boast:
Steve Young just said "Trey will never be an elite thrower of the football" on Eisen just now

Steve says the darndest things

Originally posted by boast:
Steve Young just said "Trey will never be an elite thrower of the football" on Eisen just now

1) Please share the reasons given,....if any? Or is it just an attention grabber, given the age we live in?

2) I think we can all agree he's not going to be Steve Young, Drew Brees, or Tom Brady. (Edit: and even then, we'd just be guessing, because he's inexperienced)

But is Lamar Jackson an elite throw of the football? Was Steve McNair? Rich Gannon? Because they all have MVP trophies anyway.

I love Steve but if I'm honest with myself,...he's just a mouthpiece these days. I'll take his input right after games have been played and he's sharing what he observed.

Jerry Rice is the greatest WR ever but he's another one where I'll skip over most of his input if I'm looking for analysis.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:
Steve Young just said "Trey will never be an elite thrower of the football" on Eisen just now

1) Please share the reasons given,....if any? Or is it just an attention grabber, given the age we live in?

2) I think we can all agree he's not going to be Steve Young, Drew Brees, or Tom Brady. (Edit: and even then, we'd just be guessing, because he's inexperienced)

But is Lamar Jackson an elite throw of the football? Was Steve McNair? Rich Gannon? Because they all have MVP trophies anyway.

I love Steve but if I'm honest with myself,...he's just a mouthpiece these days. I'll take his input right after games have been played and he's sharing what he observed.

Jerry Rice is the greatest WR ever but he's another one where I'll skip over most of his input if I'm looking for analysis.

How many people that actually know football need to say it, before it sinks in with the Trey fan club?

Taking 300 snaps since high school, playing in a mid level high school program, playing one year in college against random competition in a random conference in a non-pro style offense, then taking a year off and then declaring for the draft does not set one up for success.

He was way more raw than even the 49ers thought he would be, then he has been injury prone, and he is way behind. He does not even have the elite physical traits that many dreamed he would have, he is not accurate, not quick or elusive, he regularly gets caught by defensive lineman at the line of scrimmage. He does not have touch or accuracy, all he has is a strong arm, which means nothing in the NFL without touch and accuracy. He is never going to be elite, he may be good with lots more reps, but we have other QBs that are better and the 49ers are not a developmental league.

Time to live in reality.