Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Fine, then why even bother moving up to get Lance then? If you didn't want Mac Jones, and wasn't gonna give the keys to Lance in year one after mortgaging draft future why not stay put and draft elsewhere? Where was Micah Parsons drafted again?

They were out of their gourd? It was a big time mistake. Is what it is.

Yup they got it wrong. They see him everyday, they know the plays, they've done the retrospectives with him on why the practice or game snap turned out the way it did. They presumably have a much better understanding than we do with the 170 snaps and as was said are washing their hands.

it sounds like they haven't fully given up and hope he stays but he's not what the team needs at QB2 right now.

And they determined this after 4 career regular season starts, after spending 3 years of 1st rounders to move up to 3rd overall to get? Wow that's a quick determination given what was given up for him.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Yup I agree with you guys. Although I think Sam isn't a good QB, he doesn't deserve to be booed cause he did nothing wrong. Kyle/Lynch are the ones who should be booed if anything because they are the ones responsible for the entire thing.

True but how do you boo Kyle/John? You can only boo them through their decisions and unfortunetely for Darnold he is that guy.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
Yup they got it wrong. They seem everyday, they know the plays, they've done the retrospectives with him on why the practice or game snap turned out the way it did. They presumably have a much better understanding than we do with the 170 snaps and as was said are washing their hands.

it sounds like they haven't fully given up and hope he stays but he's not what the team needs at QB2 right now.

Sounds like Kyle wants his cake and to eat it to. Doesn't want to play Trey but also doesn't want him to go somewhere else and make him look stupid. He would rather just bury him on his roster.

I don't get that at all, honestly I said Darnold makes more sense as QB2 weeks ago because he plays more like Brock. If Brock gets injured the game plan doesn't need to drastically change and the offense doesn't need to drastically change to accommodate Trey.

That and Trey presumably will get more snaps as QB3 during the season, which everyone agrees he needs.

finally Kyle has never come off to me as someone that wants to hide his mistakes, they are always very quick to wash their hands of mistakes.

so I'll just say I don't agree with your take.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
True but how do you boo Kyle/John? You can only boo them through their decisions and unfortunetely for Darnold he is that guy.

Get the Trey nutters together and pay for a banner, lol. Those are fun.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Fine, then why even bother moving up to get Lance then? If you didn't want Mac Jones, and wasn't gonna give the keys to Lance in year one after mortgaging draft future why not stay put and draft elsewhere? Where was Micah Parsons drafted again?

They were out of their gourd? It was a big time mistake. Is what it is.

Yup they got it wrong. They see him everyday, they know the plays, they've done the retrospectives with him on why the practice or game snap turned out the way it did. They presumably have a much better understanding than we do with the 170 snaps and as was said are washing their hands.

it sounds like they haven't fully given up and hope he stays but he's not what the team needs at QB2 right now.

And they determined this after 4 career regular season starts, after spending 3 years of 1st rounders to move up to 3rd overall to get? Wow that's a quick determination given what was given up for him.

He got paid for getting hurt. This isn't high-school or college. He got his job taken by better players that cost less money

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
I won't be surprised if Darnold gets booed on Friday.

What a disgrace if that happens. Would be a shameful low point for this fan base, and that's saying a lot.

Agreed. All Sam did was working hard to win the QB2 job. No reason to boo Sam.

Lets get REAL here... Shanny basically forces Lance to quit and/or ask for a TRADE... by naming Darnold the 2nd stringer base on the last 10 days or so, Lance is force to call his agent and asks for a TRADE..

This also prevents B-Rock to NOT look over his shoulder and making him feel that THIS IS HIS TEAM NOW !!

Not really. Trey doesn't have to request for a trade. He can happily be QB3 if he is a good team player.

Don't get me wrong, I do believe and agree that B-Rock should start, Darnold (who reminds me of Foles) should be the back up and that's also because TREY Duck City just isn't ready...

PLUS, can you see if we force the issue and start Trey.. if he fails, then B-Rock comes in and starts winning again all the way to the NFCCG, then Trey's MOJO GONE !!

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
Yup they got it wrong. They seem everyday, they know the plays, they've done the retrospectives with him on why the practice or game snap turned out the way it did. They presumably have a much better understanding than we do with the 170 snaps and as was said are washing their hands.

it sounds like they haven't fully given up and hope he stays but he's not what the team needs at QB2 right now.

Sounds like Kyle wants his cake and to eat it to. Doesn't want to play Trey but also doesn't want him to go somewhere else and make him look stupid. He would rather just bury him on his roster.

If Trey offered a buy back, meaning pay back the remaining signing bonus, the team maybe willing to let him go free. If not, then the team has the card.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Fine, then why even bother moving up to get Lance then? If you didn't want Mac Jones, and wasn't gonna give the keys to Lance in year one after mortgaging draft future why not stay put and draft elsewhere? Where was Micah Parsons drafted again?

They were out of their gourd? It was a big time mistake. Is what it is.

Yup they got it wrong. They see him everyday, they know the plays, they've done the retrospectives with him on why the practice or game snap turned out the way it did. They presumably have a much better understanding than we do with the 170 snaps and as was said are washing their hands.

it sounds like they haven't fully given up and hope he stays but he's not what the team needs at QB2 right now.

And they determined this after 4 career regular season starts, after spending 3 years of 1st rounders to move up to 3rd overall to get? Wow that's a quick determination given what was given up for him.

No after spending 3 years in the trenches with the kid, we only have 170 passes to go off of… they have much more and the backstory.

And all they did was make him QB3 because they feel like that gives the 9ers the best chance at winning.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
True but how do you boo Kyle/John? You can only boo them through their decisions and unfortunetely for Darnold he is that guy.

Get the Trey nutters together and pay for a banner, lol. Those are fun.

they should rent a plane and have it flyover Levi's with the banner.

billboards are also cheap these days.

Originally posted by boast:
they should rent a plane and have it flyover Levi's with the banner.

billboards are also cheap these days.

That's what I meant. Bringing back the classics.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
There has never been a top drafted QB who has gotten so little gametime to prove his worth before being dumped in NFL history. What the 49ers are doing with Trey Lance is absolutely unprecedented.

FWIW :

Trey Lance : 8 games played with 4 starts in 2 years.

Jim Druckenmiller : 6 games played with 1 start in 2 years.

Dan McGwire : 12 games played with 5 starts in 4 years with the team that drafted him (Seattle). 1 game played but no starts in his lone year with Miami.

JD went 26th, McGwire went 16th. Guess it depends on the definition of "top drafted QB" but Trey is not the only first rounder taken who didn't get a lot of regular season gametime.

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
There has never been a top drafted QB who has gotten so little gametime to prove his worth before being dumped in NFL history. What the 49ers are doing with Trey Lance is absolutely unprecedented.

This isn't true. At all. The NFL is littered with 1st round QBs that ended up playing about what Lance already has with the team that selected them. Drunkenmiller. McGwire. Ware. Marinovich.

None of those guys were even close to 3rd overall.

And the fact that your most recent example was 30+ years ago proves my point.

What top 3 QB got injured both seasons while his team made it to the NFCCG both seasons with better QB play than he showed?

Again, I am not saying there aren't reasons why he has only started 4 games. Some are bad luck, some are bad play. But what you just said doesn't refute what I did.

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
This is BS. Shanny has lied to the media before. Plus, the way he went after Darnold on day one of free agency lead many to conclude that the writing was on the wall for Lance from the very beginning. It would not surprise me for it to come out that Lance asked for a trade after acquiring Darnold. And give how Shanny has treated him I can't blame him.

yeah f**k Shanny for naming Trey the unquestionable starter going into 2022. f**k Shanny for breaking Trey's finger and his ankle. f**k Shanny!!!! amirite!

Now your being hyperbolic. My problem is that Shanny has totally mismanaged this whole QB situation, but people like you are acting like we're pulling stuff out of the sky. Shanny made his mind up about Lance at the end of last season. He had no real intention to develop Lance fully. I think he realized how much it was gonna really take to develop him and simply checked out. He proceeded to sign two absolute busts, and then made him "compete" with the one who proved - beyond a shadow of a doubt - in front of God and the whole world in 55 games he's a bonified bust. From my eye, Darnold didn't out-play Lance. From many reports from those who were at camp stated that Lance looked better than Darnold in practice.

Given that, Shanny's mind was already made up to move on from Lance a long time ago but was surprised at the real progress he'd made. When he said Darnold would split reps with Darnold I knew then that Lance had no chance, no matter the progress or how he looked in practice. If Shanny truly intended to develop Lance, he would have given all the reps to Lance and never subjected him to no "competition" with anyone for QB2 given what the 49ers spent to get him, period. Instead, to save face from their own evaluation ineptitudes, they allowed narratives that put all the fault with Lance to proliferate all throughout the media, even to the point where many sports commentators spewed personal insults at Lance. And because they don't have a press corps like in NY or Chicago, where Shanny would actually be asked the hard questions and not treated with kid gloves, they were allowed let Lance eat the blow-back of those narrative with no defense or pushback from Shanny, Lynch or any 49ers brass. He basically was hung out to dry. For me, this is most condemnable and damning.

No Sir, my beloved 49ers failed Trey Lance. I'll always pull for my 49ers, no matter who the QB is. But this team DID NOT get better today; we got worse with naming Darnold the number 2. I know Shanny said that he plans to play Lance tomorrow, but frankly what's the point for Lance? If I were Lance, I wouldn't want to be anywhere close to a football field until I got traded or released. There's absolutely no need for him to go out there and risk injury playing against future Home Depot workers trying desperately to make a team.

i dont agree it was mismanaged. i believe unfortunately timed injuries derailed the team's plan for Trey. he was given the team in 2022. got injured and then we all watched Brock's ascension.

You'll get no grip with me about Brock. He took full advantage of his opportunity and earned QB1. I think Lance even agreed with that. But QB2 should have NEVER been up for grabs. NEVER!! The guy had only 4 regular season starts. Lance had shown nothing at all to prove that any competition was even warranted, least of all with Sam Darnold. He didn't need competition. No, slit reps in a "competition" was nothing more than a ruse to hide the fact that Shanny had already made up his mind.

I use the word "mismanagement" to describe Shanny's handling of Lance because that's just what the hell it was - mismanaged! For starters, we should have never spent 3 years' worth of 1st rounders to move up to 3rd overall if he wasn't gonna be given the keys to the car at some point in 2021. (Has there ever been a QB drafted in the top 5 who sat out a year?) So the mismanagement started with drafting Trey Lance to begin with on a SB-ready team. Then, you don't develop him as a passer, choosing instead to run him on QB power when he really didn't do that at NDSU. This tells me the plan for him was questionable from the beginning. Next, you subject him to a QB2 "competition", a QB2 "competition" with a widely known, proven bust with 5 years, 55 games, and 55 interceptions worth of evidence that he's in fact a bust. By everyone's assessments, even Shanny and Lynch's, Lance needed reps. He didn't need spit reps. Then you leave him out to dry in the media, rendering the guy you mortgaged heavy draft future for, no defense or media pushback at all. Sports commentators were allowed to make personal attacks on him with no response from the 49ers. And to top it all off, the coming trade will likely be the worst in NFL history in terms of compensation and return of draft investment.

Good Sir, in what world is this NOT mismanagement?

Lol. Yes QB2 should have been up for grabs. Don't hand it to an injury prone QB that hasn't shown anything. It was a competition, he lost.

There was never a real "competition" to begin with, nor should he had been subjected to it.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
There has never been a top drafted QB who has gotten so little gametime to prove his worth before being dumped in NFL history. What the 49ers are doing with Trey Lance is absolutely unprecedented.

This isn't true. At all. The NFL is littered with 1st round QBs that ended up playing about what Lance already has with the team that selected them. Drunkenmiller. McGwire. Ware. Marinovich.

None of those guys were even close to 3rd overall.

And the fact that your most recent example was 30+ years ago proves my point.

What top 3 QB got injured both seasons while his team made it to the NFCCG both seasons with better QB play than he showed?

Again, I am not saying there aren't reasons why he has only started 4 games. Some are bad luck, some are bad play. But what you just said doesn't refute what I did.

Bad luck or not, he wasn't available, the team moved on.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Yup I agree with you guys. Although I think Sam isn't a good QB, he doesn't deserve to be booed cause he did nothing wrong. Kyle/Lynch are the ones who should be booed if anything because they are the ones responsible for the entire thing.

True but how do you boo Kyle/John? You can only boo them through their decisions and unfortunetely for Darnold he is that guy.

Booing Darnold would be weird.

I hope our fan base doesn't engage in that type of behavior as it might scare Kirk Cousins away from signing here in 2024.