Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Haha if you call that opportunities for the biggest trade in franchise history, more power to ya.

Meanwhile turds like Sam, Zack Wilson s**t even Josh Rosen got at least a seasons worth of starts before coming to a conclusion on them. I can name a TON of 1st rd picks that were given more opportunities than Lance before turning the page.

moral of the story is if everyone and their mother KNEW he needs to play football to develop. Then you give him next to none of that, either don't draft him in the first place (if you don't plan on giving him that) or you completely whiffed on your draft eval and should be held accountable for making the worst draft pick in NFL history. You chose which is it??

Welp the plan was to develop Lance. It wasn't a great plan but it was a plan. Then he got hurt, Purdy took over, went nuts and now there's no going back.

In the future, teams should think twice about drafting a one year starter from the FCS that is going to require several years of development. The modern NFL just does not allow for that. Guys have to be ready to go sooner rather than later. The 49ers and Lance unfortunately will be a draft cautionary tale for a long time to come.

So spot on, Jimmy is the only FCS conference QB starting in the NFL. Lesson learned, Purdy has shown there is something to be said for playing multiple years in a quality conference has it's value.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by NDSU:
Anyone else have a weird feeling everything is going to backfire?
Lance is gone, BP gets hurt and we really have to depend on Darnold.
Not that I think Lance was the answer, but damn we need a better #2 than Sam.

No I don't get that feeling at all, quite the opposite... there is a dark cloud over the 9ers right now that needs to clear out and blow away, it will soon enough, and when it does Brocky is going to break the curse that has been on the franchise for at least 10 years,

Brock was (I think) the only rookie to beat Tom Brady, so he's definitely a curse breaker contender!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jcs:
The kid has had years of valuable time near or next to Kyle to convince him of his value. I'm not the biggest Kyle fan but I'll take his observations seeing the kid in the facility year in year out since getting drafted in 2021.

So you also take Kyle's observations on giving up 3 1sts to draft lance as well?

Come on man, do we not get the draft is a crapshoot? Walsh landed Carmazzi over Brady. That stuff happens, in the draft. Now if Walsh had Brady and Gio in the bldg for 3 years.. I think he would figure out which is which

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
End of the day is what it is. I hope he gets an opportunity to play and grow somewhere else. I think we did him dirty and the process overall was horrible.

moving on it's Brock's team until it's not. Kyle doesn't love his QBs for very long

Yet years later he still loves Kirk. He stuck with Jimmy longer than the fan base wanted. Had he still loved Jimmy, you'd be complaining that he loves his QBs too much

'Kyle doesn't love his QBs for long' I think is his refrain for let's bench BP to get TL in there, course now TL isn't even the backup so not sure why the short leash narrative is still a thing lol

Posts like this one is why people get so frustrated with you. That's not what he was saying.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Haha if you call that opportunities for the biggest trade in franchise history, more power to ya.

Meanwhile turds like Sam, Zack Wilson s**t even Josh Rosen got at least a seasons worth of starts before coming to a conclusion on them. I can name a TON of 1st rd picks that were given more opportunities than Lance before turning the page.

moral of the story is if everyone and their mother KNEW he needs to play football to develop. Then you give him next to none of that, either don't draft him in the first place (if you don't plan on giving him that) or you completely whiffed on your draft eval and should be held accountable for making the worst draft pick in NFL history. You chose which is it??

Welp the plan was to develop Lance. It wasn't a great plan but it was a plan. Then he got hurt, Purdy took over, went nuts and now there's no going back.

In the future, teams should think twice about drafting a one year starter from the FCS that is going to require several years of development. The modern NFL just does not allow for that. Guys have to be ready to go sooner rather than later. The 49ers and Lance unfortunately will be a draft cautionary tale for a long time to come.

Kyler Murray , Cam Newton , Mark Sanchez , Dwayne Haskins , Trubisky, now Lance

Mistakes happen in the draft, because it's such a crapshoot. Clearly ShanaLYnch made a big phat boo boo with Trey, draft wise, but again, they hit the jackpot with Brock. Got to see both sides of the coin to see the whole picture.

Beathard rated higher than Mahomes and Watson according to Shanny

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
End of the day is what it is. I hope he gets an opportunity to play and grow somewhere else. I think we did him dirty and the process overall was horrible.

moving on it's Brock's team until it's not. Kyle doesn't love his QBs for very long

Yet years later he still loves Kirk. He stuck with Jimmy longer than the fan base wanted. Had he still loved Jimmy, you'd be complaining that he loves his QBs too much

'Kyle doesn't love his QBs for long' I think is his refrain for let's bench BP to get TL in there, course now TL isn't even the backup so not sure why the short leash narrative is still a thing lol

Posts like this one is why people get so frustrated with you. That's not what he was saying.

Oh come on he's been posting this BP is gonna have a short leash and turn into a pumpkin stuff for months.. I always thought it was cuz he wanted TL in there. It's pretty clear to me NY wants TL to play he's said as much a million times. Am I wrong?

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
End of the day is what it is. I hope he gets an opportunity to play and grow somewhere else. I think we did him dirty and the process overall was horrible.

moving on it's Brock's team until it's not. Kyle doesn't love his QBs for very long

Yet years later he still loves Kirk. He stuck with Jimmy longer than the fan base wanted. Had he still loved Jimmy, you'd be complaining that he loves his QBs too much

I think it's more about Kyle note knowing how to use Lance. We saw how It played out against the Cardinals and then the Seahawks.

Let's play Brock stays healthy under Kyle. I'm not mentally prepared for the Sam Darnold show just yet

Funny that people want to believe in Lance even though he showed nothing, now some are doubting Brock even though he went 8-1, went 5-1 vs playoff teams, averaged 34 ppg, and had a 107 passer rating. Strange.

I'm good on Adam Peters replacing JL.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jcs:
The kid has had years of valuable time near or next to Kyle to convince him of his value. I'm not the biggest Kyle fan but I'll take his observations seeing the kid in the facility year in year out since getting drafted in 2021.

So you also take Kyle's observations on giving up 3 1sts to draft lance as well?

The problem with this us they didn't use those picks to draft Trey. They traded up to draft a QB period. Trey was who they ended on.

That is where I feel for Trey. We moved up with no intentions. We then decide to take Trey. Now he has high expectations placed on him because the organization was hell bent on getting a QB.

1st Darnold
Then Watson
Then Stafford
Then pulled the trigger on the dumbest trade ever.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Haha if you call that opportunities for the biggest trade in franchise history, more power to ya.

Meanwhile turds like Sam, Zack Wilson s**t even Josh Rosen got at least a seasons worth of starts before coming to a conclusion on them. I can name a TON of 1st rd picks that were given more opportunities than Lance before turning the page.

moral of the story is if everyone and their mother KNEW he needs to play football to develop. Then you give him next to none of that, either don't draft him in the first place (if you don't plan on giving him that) or you completely whiffed on your draft eval and should be held accountable for making the worst draft pick in NFL history. You chose which is it??

Welp the plan was to develop Lance. It wasn't a great plan but it was a plan. Then he got hurt, Purdy took over, went nuts and now there's no going back.

In the future, teams should think twice about drafting a one year starter from the FCS that is going to require several years of development. The modern NFL just does not allow for that. Guys have to be ready to go sooner rather than later. The 49ers and Lance unfortunately will be a draft cautionary tale for a long time to come.

Kyler Murray , Cam Newton , Mark Sanchez , Dwayne Haskins , Trubisky, now Lance

Mistakes happen in the draft, because it's such a crapshoot. Clearly ShanaLYnch made a big phat boo boo with Trey, draft wise, but again, they hit the jackpot with Brock. Got to see both sides of the coin to see the whole picture.

Beathard rated higher than Mahomes and Watson according to Shanny

Shanny was the only coach out of 32 NFL coaches to draft Purdy. Belichick traded Jimmy to Kyle for a reason. He knew Kyle would develop Jimmy properly. Jimmy was a nobody, and so was Kirk Cousins, before Kyle got a hold of them.

I still think Kyle is right about Trey, in that he'll be a good NFL QB, just needs time to develop. Needs the reps to play, and a good offensive coach to coach him up. But the 49ers aren't the team to do that for Trey, the super bowl window is open and the guy running the show is his 7th round pick.

Originally posted by Sickaa:
I think it's more about Kyle note knowing how to use Lance. We saw how It played out against the Cardinals and then the Seahawks.

Let's play Brock stays healthy under Kyle. I'm not mentally prepared for the Sam Darnold show just yet

He shouldn't have drafted a guy that he had to find a way to use at #3. He should have believed in what he saw in stead of what he didn't see or hoped to see.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
No I don't get that feeling at all, quite the opposite... there is a dark cloud over the 9ers right now that needs to clear out and blow away, it will soon enough, and when it does Brocky is going to break the curse that has been on the franchise for at least 10 years,

Or not. So Lance is a dark cloud now? "Dark" as in what? Sounds a little Freudian.

Originally posted by Silky:
I'm just reminded of all the years we gave Alex Smith before he finally broke through. It was 5-6 years of pure pain, but we fans knew it wasn't his fault. This situation is not Lance's fault. He should have been given the backup role and the chance to get in-game action if Purdy went down.

Yup

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Tman:
Both of these are true

Wish it could work out, would love to see him stay with the team as the number 3 but this is Brock's show now

4 random games for a guy everyone knew wasn't gonna be a rock star day 1 and needed to play to improve…is far from given "opportunities" to develop and succeed. Overall this is an unprecedented situation and the fact that the organization isn't getting push back from its fans…but instead blaming it all on a now 23 yr old kid with 170 passing attempts under his belt is pretty sad. I hope wherever he goes he gets an actual chance.

You are 100% right

Was he given enough opportunity to develop, absolutely not but opportunity was given. Then Brock came along. I would have preferred keeping Trey over Sam, or doing like a Co-backup qb if that was ever a thing haha but I completely understand why they prefer Sam over Trey in that 2 role.

This is unprecedented, does kind of remind me of the Brady situation slightly in the late round ho-hum looking qb taking the starting job and never looking back. If it turns out like that then this would all end up being one of the best things that could happen to the franchise.