Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

John Lynch w/ M&M on Trey Lance:

"Trey made incredible leaps and bounds this year and I think his games showed that. I give him a lot of credit because we didn't tailor an offense around him that highlights a lot of the things Trey is able to do and I think he grew from that."

— KNBR (@KNBR) August 24, 2023

haha so let's take a QB at 3 overall and NOT design the offense around him to be successful. I'm telling you, Allen/Watson/Mahomes/Hurts etc would have failed or not lived up to their potential here.

What Lynch meant by that is that they scrapped all the zone-read stuff and shoe horned Lance into a passing offense that relied on rhythm passing, something Brock showed he can do last season.

Exactly. It is an offense designed for Brock, our QB1.

Perfectly. Also, zero chance Mahomes fails anywhere. lol

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
God I just want to check out, delete my account here and on reddit and just never pay attention to Niner social media ever again, but it's hard because I'm a fan and it's hard to not be plugged into the conversation.

You all are exhausting. All sides. I'm gutted for Trey, truly. I was 100% all for Trey to be the guy, because I had full confidence, and still do, in Kyle's decision making. That said, Kyle has made the decision after these last 2 years that he isn't the guy. And that is okay, because he is with him and sees him on the practice field and in the film room and in the locker room. And he has seen enough, that Trey isn't our best option moving forward. Keyword being OUR option, because Trey could very well flourish elsewhere and that is ok because like with anything in professional life, fit matters. Fit and plans to develop a player are fluid situations that change as conditions change. The conditions for this QB situation have changed drastically since we drafted Trey and have impacted Kyle's evaluation. And I trust this evaluation, because Kyle has a track record for knowing what he is doing at his job. He has coached us to 3 NFC championships and a SB. I think he knows football, including QBs. I trust his judgement.

And it also doesn't mean that we made a massive mistake here. The draft is a crapshoot. 1st round QBs are more likely to not work out. We made a big swing, and missed but it wad a good shot. I prefer we did what we did than stay put and went with the "safe" mac jones option. And you know what? It was all part of the sequence of events that led to Brock Purdy.

Leading to my last point: Can we all just get behind Brock please? Whether or not we believed in Trey or not, we all saw with our own eyes what Brock is capable of. Lets hope for continued growth and success for the young man that has fairly won the starting job on his own merits. I don't want to see any "I told you so I was right" chest beating the moment Brock has a bad game. The same energy I am seeing from certain people celebrating that Trey is struggling. I hate that energy, and it's why I am going to try my hardest to not come back here or to 49ers reddit. I hope this is goodbye, please be good fans.

This too shall pass. Why leave when there is lots of celebrating to come because of all the games we will win this year with Brock & Co? Brock is gunna go full beast mode.

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So then you agree it was a f**king horrible move from day 1. They f**ked up the process from beginning to end and people act like it was just Lance…not the whole damn organization.

dude never had a chance and yet fans will fan.

And how did you come to that conclusion? He came from a small school program, to Super Bowl caliber roster, as the rawest rookie that had ever been drafted that high in the modern era. He came in against an experienced vet who had helped the team get to the Super Bowl the previous year and who he was never going to beat out that first season. Then he hurt his finger in a pre-season game, which set him back. Then he starts against the Cardinals when Jimmy gets hurt, promptly hurts his knee, and not only loses the game but the opportunity to fulfill all of the fanboy dreams of his replacing Jimmy.

Jimmy, gets hurt again and Lance comes back against Houston, plays well and ends up perhaps saving the team's post season chances. Good for him, the future beckons. They reach the playoffs with Jimmy nursing injuries to the thumb and shoulder of his throwing arm, one of which will require offseason surgery to repair, and yet, oddly enough, the team still seems to think an injured Jimmy gives them a better chance to win than a significantly less injured Lance.

Fast forward to 2022, Lance is handed the starting job even though subsequent reporting suggests that he didn't clearly win it over Brock Purdy in training camp, and had it gifted to him, essentially because of his draft status, and the team's desire to give him the opportunity to develop. He loses against the Bears, breaks his ankle against the Seahawks and is done for the year. Jimmy comes in and does what Jimmy does, including getting hurt, which opens the door for Brock, who had apparently been denied the starting role that year simply because the team didn't have any corresponding game film on what they had seen him do in practice, and because, according to Kyle, they were hesitant to put that much weight on the shoulders of a 7th round rookie.

Now Brock has a chance to put up game film that matches what the team had already seen in practice and Lance's fate is presumably sealed. But wait, Brock gets hurt and now his availability for the opening games this year is suddenly in doubt. Lance now has the opportunity to go into OTA's and minicamp, fully healthy and unopposed to show what he can do. But then, on the first day of free agency, the team signs Sam Darnold, a notorious underachiever. The plot thickens. Purdy returns ahead of schedule so Lance and Darnold are given fairly even reps, in order to make their case for the number 2 spot. But, but, but this is unfair because Lance's lack of overall experience means he should get all of the reps, right?

First preseason game comes around and Lance pretty much sucks. But, but, but he was rusty after having not played for a year. Purdy comes in for a series the following week and does what he does. Marches the team down the field and puts them in position to score. He was coming off a major injury to his throwing arm and hadn't participated at all in OTA's and minicamps, apparently he wasn't rusty. So Lance comes in with the chance to put the Las Vegas game behind, and promptly throws an ugly interception on a screen pass but, to his credit, turns it around at the end and plays pretty well. But no, he never had a chance.

However, having said all of that, had it been my choice, I might have made him the #2 to start the year. I haven't been all that impressed by Darnold, but I can understand why the team went the way they did. Lance's story here may not be completely over. As far as I know Darnold is only here on a one-year deal, while Lance still has two years left on his contract. If he actually does have an opportunity to play against the Chargers he'll have another chance to show what he's capable of. The conclusion to his story is in his hands, it always has been. The idea that he "never had a chance" is just whining.

Did not read, but damn you probably got him

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
All this over a backup QB spot… we really are a silly bunch.

Our #1 generally doesn't last a whole season. #2 is pretty critical.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

I am getting lazy reading these posts 😆

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

John Lynch w/ M&M on Trey Lance:

"Trey made incredible leaps and bounds this year and I think his games showed that. I give him a lot of credit because we didn't tailor an offense around him that highlights a lot of the things Trey is able to do and I think he grew from that."

— KNBR (@KNBR) August 24, 2023

haha so let's take a QB at 3 overall and NOT design the offense around him to be successful. I'm telling you, Allen/Watson/Mahomes/Hurts etc would have failed or not lived up to their potential here.

Yeah he made incredible leaps and bounds. Oh by the way he's number 3

And what the f**k happened to "Lance ran Kyle's offense. He's best for his system"

Well played

The idea that Kyle mismanaged Lance's development is something I disagree with. Year one, sit and learn the workings of the NFL. One could argue that Lance should have played as a rookie, but there is value in sitting the rookie season and getting situated with the NFL. Kyle opted for the patient approach because he felt Lance wasn't ready to handle a full load. Hindsight says just play the rookie since that year didn't end up in a SB win anyway (loss to Rams in NFCCG).

Year 2 was Lance's year to play and Kyle had an offensive plan in place that would allow Lance to learn on the fly while also getting wins for the team - good running game, playaction for explosives (easier reads, less emphasis on rhythm passing), play good defense. We saw 2022 training camp clips of Lance being used in the run game. That 2022 offense was tailored for Lance. Many good, young QBs started their career winning with the formula of leaning on the running game and defense as they grew their QB game. We saw a glimpse of this in game 2 vs SEA before Lance shattered his ankle. The offense was moving and it actually looked effective. Imagine had that been able to play out over the course of 2022.

Then the broken ankle happened and Brock took his job.

The End.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
They did that his second season and he got hurt. And a lot of fans wanted kyles head on a stick for running him.

I didn't want his head on a stick but I spent all summer before the injury debating others here why calling designed runs for him is playing with fire. Lo and behold Lance and his career got burnt.

Originally posted by thl408:
The idea that Kyle mismanaged Lance's development is something I disagree with. Year one, sit and learn the workings of the NFL. One could argue that Lance should have played as a rookie, but there is value in sitting the rookie season and getting situated with the NFL. Kyle opted for the patient approach because he felt Lance wasn't ready to handle a full load. Hindsight says just play the rookie since that year didn't end up in a SB win anyway (loss to Rams in NFCCG).

Year 2 was Lance's year to play and Kyle had an offensive plan in place that would allow Lance to learn on the fly while also getting wins for the team - good running game, playaction for explosives (easier reads, less emphasis on rhythm passing), play good defense. We saw 2022 training camp clips of Lance being used in the run game. That 2022 offense was tailored for Lance. Many good, young QBs started their career winning with the formula of leaning on the running game and defense as they grew their QB game. We saw a glimpse of this in game 2 vs SEA before Lance shattered his ankle. The offense was moving and it actually looked effective. Imagine had that been able to play out over the course of 2022.

Then the broken ankle happened and Brock took his job.

The End.

I dont see anything to disagree with.

Originally posted by NDSU:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
All this over a backup QB spot… we really are a silly bunch.

Our #1 generally doesn't last a whole season. #2 is pretty critical.

Yeah, I get that. There is validity to it, but good grief. So much venom over what was very obvious if they were really paying attention. Perspective is a funny thing.

Even when Trey was made the starter last season, the team did not demonstrate confidence in him as a passer: the QB's primary duty. The injury derailed that experiment, and Purdy's emergence turned everything on its head.

Originally posted by NDSU:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
All this over a backup QB spot… we really are a silly bunch.

Our #1 generally doesn't last a whole season. #2 is pretty critical.

This... It's not like Brock hasn't had 2 major injuries in 9 games. It's pretty important actually.

My argument isn't shanny didn't give trey a shot, it's - darnold freaking sucks. Shanny is making a huge mistake.

Originally posted by miked1978:
if you're angry right now I'm just curious what the 49ers should have done? Are you saying Trey should be QB 1 right now?

If Trey isn't QB1 then he isn't getting much help in the area he needs most and that is game time experience.

i think the 49ers are in a lose/lose situation with some of you in regards to Trey. IMO Brock is unquestionably the #1 guy for this year anyways and now we are pissed that Trey is #3 and not #2. If he was named #2 are we still mad?

I was really, really excited in March 2021 when the news broke that we made the trade. But thanks to the gift of hindsight, it's pretty obvious the correct decision is to go back in time and not even make the trade at all. No QB in that draft was worth what we gave up except for Trevor Lawrence, and there was 0 chance of him getting past #1 overall.

Should've just stayed put and taken Slater (no—Parsons would NOT have been available. Dallas would've just stayed at 10 and taken him there). Idk if it would've gotten us over the hump but he's likely an upgrade over McGlinchey.

We still talkin bout the #3 QB.....anyone else not bothered by the fact that the Kicker needs glasses and is begging Goodell to widen the goal post 50 feet more???

Originally posted by Method:
My argument isn't shanny didn't give trey a shot, it's - darnold freaking sucks. Shanny is making a huge mistake.

Neither Lance or Darnold should be on the team IMHO. We need a better quality #2.