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Originally posted by tankle104:
I think the team holds onto him instead of taking a low draft pick. I don't think they'll let him go for anything less than a second round pick. Make a conditional third. Whether they get that or not is a different story but I think they'll hold onto him otherwise.
they may be hoping he balls out this last preseason game?
Originally posted by tankle104:
I think the team holds onto him instead of taking a low draft pick. I don't think they'll let him go for anything less than a second round pick. Make a conditional third. Whether they get that or not is a different story but I think they'll hold onto him otherwise.
they may be hoping he balls out this last preseason game?
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
There was nothing pointless about those runs. Despite what the ridiculous Lance critics claim, Lance is GOOD at those kind of runs, and those kind of runs DO affect a defense. They were good calls. It was just an unfortunate injury.
Poor execution by the folks around him on that play…yet "he got his opportunity"
Originally posted by libertyforever:
It appears Trey got the message he was QB2, and then he had his agent request a trade and leak the news.
It seems like Trey way overvalued himself. There is not going to be a team that will promise to give him playing time this season. If he really wants to get out, he can buyback by paying back the remaining portion of the signing bonus. But he is certainly not going to do that, because there is a chance he may never make those money again for the rest of his career.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Right, but I imagine their expectations for the playoffs/Super Bowl go down quite a bit.
We have only been able to see a little bit, but what did you think of Allen?
Haven't seen enough to make any definitive statement. Never watched Bengals preseason.
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
It appears Trey got the message he was QB2, and then he had his agent request a trade and leak the news.
It seems like Trey way overvalued himself. There is not going to be a team that will promise to give him playing time this season. If he really wants to get out, he can buyback by paying back the remaining portion of the signing bonus. But he is certainly not going to do that, because there is a chance he may never make those money again for the rest of his career.
Sam and Trey have the same agent.
... ya'll hear that one?
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Sam has all the physical tools but no I don't think they are twinsies. 🤣
What I do think is that Sam makes a better spot starter for Brock than Trey does. Which is why I believe Kyle made the decision that he made. Because honestly, I don't know what the hell the folks who said Sam outplayed Trey in pre season were even watching. Neither QB stood out to me.
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
It appears Trey got the message he was QB2, and then he had his agent request a trade and leak the news.
It seems like Trey way overvalued himself. There is not going to be a team that will promise to give him playing time this season. If he really wants to get out, he can buyback by paying back the remaining portion of the signing bonus. But he is certainly not going to do that, because there is a chance he may never make those money again for the rest of his career.
Sam and Trey have the same agent.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
We don't need a robot. We need a QB who can make the correct read based on the coverage and throw with enough accuracy to maximize YAC. Kyle doesn't have an issue with QB's extending plays. He has an issue with QB's leaving the pocket early because they lack the ability to process the field at an elite level.
Disagree. Zero chance kyle would allow guys like Hurts, Allen or Mahomes be who they are. He clearly wasn't gonna change his offense at all to suit the guy they invested the future in. That's for damn sure. Lynch said it himself.
people get all upset that we didn't draft so and so….ultimately those guys wouldn't have been who they are if they came here. Allen probably gets 100 passing attempts then we play Nick Mullens or some s**t. Mahomes and his unorthodox mechanics and play would have been beaten to death out of him. Bill O'Brien had to change his offense completely for Watson. Hurts would have been turned into a RB or some s**t.
Face it kyle wants who he wants. There's a reason why he didn't even look at Watson/Mahomes/Allen and had a boner over Kirk. Dude turned Brady away. I'll bet money he didn't want the QB to have all the power like Tom always did…Those special talent players don't always play within the system and that's a problem here.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Man these Trey guys are really hurting and looking for excuses. A special talent guy. Yeah the 3rd string QB. He's so talented. It's just the system holding him back. I told you Trey can't play. Thank goodness we landed Brock Purdy to get us out of this bust disaster. He's not even that fast like Fields.
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Man these Trey guys are really hurting and looking for excuses. A special talent guy. Yeah the 3rd string QB. He's so talented. It's just the system holding him back. I told you Trey can't play. Thank goodness we landed Brock Purdy to get us out of this bust disaster. He's not even that fast like Fields.
And here's the opposite end of the spectrum
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Truth is truth. In this case tough to handle for some on the WZ who were deeply emotionally invested in this guy.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
We don't need a robot. We need a QB who can make the correct read based on the coverage and throw with enough accuracy to maximize YAC. Kyle doesn't have an issue with QB's extending plays. He has an issue with QB's leaving the pocket early because they lack the ability to process the field at an elite level.
Disagree. Zero chance kyle would allow guys like Hurts, Allen or Mahomes be who they are. He clearly wasn't gonna change his offense at all to suit the guy they invested the future in. That's for damn sure. Lynch said it himself.
people get all upset that we didn't draft so and so….ultimately those guys wouldn't have been who they are if they came here. Allen probably gets 100 passing attempts then we play Nick Mullens or some s**t. Mahomes and his unorthodox mechanics and play would have been beaten to death out of him. Bill O'Brien had to change his offense completely for Watson. Hurts would have been turned into a RB or some s**t.
Face it kyle wants who he wants. There's a reason why he didn't even look at Watson/Mahomes/Allen and had a boner over Kirk. Dude turned Brady away. I'll bet money he didn't want the QB to have all the power like Tom always did…Those special talent players don't always play within the system and that's a problem here.
NY, take a step back and look at how the 2022 season started. Lance was integrated into the run game because that is who he was coming out of college. Out of the box, he was a QB that could add a QB element to the run game and Kyle designed his 2022 offense around that. There were many clips of this in 2022 training camp. We saw a triple option play with Deebo and a RB in the backfield. Kyle designed an offense around Lance.
Ask why was Lance being used so much in the running game. It's because his passing game was subpar and he needed to use his legs to supplement the offense. To me, him being used so much in the running game in 2022 was because this was not a rebuilding team - it was a team that expected wins. So running Lance was a way to win games because it was something Lance could do right out of the box. He made the run game more effective.
The other side of the coin is that if the team was in a rebuilding mode, then call a bunch of dropbacks, less running plays, and give Lance more reps in the dropback passing game. If he goes '3 & out' because that's an area of his game that is lacking, who cares, it's valuable learning reps on a rebuilding team. It wasn't a rebuilding team.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
We don't need a robot. We need a QB who can make the correct read based on the coverage and throw with enough accuracy to maximize YAC. Kyle doesn't have an issue with QB's extending plays. He has an issue with QB's leaving the pocket early because they lack the ability to process the field at an elite level.
Disagree. Zero chance kyle would allow guys like Hurts, Allen or Mahomes be who they are. He clearly wasn't gonna change his offense at all to suit the guy they invested the future in. That's for damn sure. Lynch said it himself.
people get all upset that we didn't draft so and so….ultimately those guys wouldn't have been who they are if they came here. Allen probably gets 100 passing attempts then we play Nick Mullens or some s**t. Mahomes and his unorthodox mechanics and play would have been beaten to death out of him. Bill O'Brien had to change his offense completely for Watson. Hurts would have been turned into a RB or some s**t.
Face it kyle wants who he wants. There's a reason why he didn't even look at Watson/Mahomes/Allen and had a boner over Kirk. Dude turned Brady away. I'll bet money he didn't want the QB to have all the power like Tom always did…Those special talent players don't always play within the system and that's a problem here.
NY, take a step back and look at how the 2022 season started. Lance was integrated into the run game because that is who he was coming out of college. Out of the box, he was a QB that could add a QB element to the run game and Kyle designed his 2022 offense around that. There were many clips of this in 2022 training camp. We saw a triple option play with Deebo and a RB in the backfield. Kyle designed an offense around Lance.
Ask why was Lance being used so much in the running game. It's because his passing game was subpar and he needed to use his legs to supplement the offense. To me, him being used so much in the running game in 2022 was because this was not a rebuilding team - it was a team that expected wins. So running Lance was a way to win games because it was something Lance could do right out of the box. He made the run game more effective.
The other side of the coin is that if the team was in a rebuilding mode, then call a bunch of dropbacks, less running plays, and give Lance more reps in the dropback passing game. If he goes '3 & out' because that's an area of his game that is lacking, who cares, it's valuable learning reps on a rebuilding team. It wasn't a rebuilding team.
