Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
49ers should have had a firm idea of exactly who they were trading up for before they traded up.

Just philosophically I don't think you can ever use that amount of draft capital unless you're landing an Elway, Manning, or Luck type prospect.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by captveg:
A very thorough and fair-minded analysis. Lance's limited playtime and injuries combined to set him back too much for a team with this roster and a surprising more game-ready young QB. Nothing here is Lance's fault. He probably should have played another season in college, but then again he was the 3rd overall pick and pocketed a ton of money because of it, so it's not a total black & white retrospective decision.

Honestly think there was little point to Lance playing another college season in the situation he was in.

It was unfortunate for him that we took him instead of a team like the Bears.

True.

Let this be a lesson to QBs coming into the draft: hope to be taken by the worst possible team so you can play right away and prove it or not.

No more Aaron Rodgers types in the NFL that get top sit behind a HoF QB. Rodgers would have been traded away as a never-played bust after his 2nd year if a team like the 2005 Packers drafted him today.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by jrouter4949:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
I'm sorry, my beloved 49ers failed Trey Lance.

BIG TIME Fail,this lies at the feet of Dirty Kyle

For the betterment of his career, he should demand to be released. I would.

there is no situation currently that betters Lance's career. and you keep saying he should ask for his release without considering the cap hit.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
49ers should have had a firm idea of exactly who they were trading up for before they traded up.

Just philosophically I don't think you can ever use that amount of draft capital unless you're landing an Elway, Manning, or Luck type prospect.

I really do want a tell all book, what the eff happened with this selection, the trade, the whole 9 yards..

So bizarre.. my only guess, they recognize 2/3 years were sabotaged by QB injury, so we need to move on, they struck out on some guys (Stafford) passed on another (Brady), probably saw the rise of Mahomes, who they passed on, and said well we need our own version. So they started with the conclusion, let's get our own Allen/Mahomes, then worked backwards to figure TL best fits that description..

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
I'm sorry, my beloved 49ers failed Trey Lance. And if I were him I'd demand to be released.

The only fair criticism that can be leveled against the team is drafting him in the first place. He should have gone to someplace like Chicago where he could play every week without the pressure of losing games that would hurt playoff chances.

What failed was the chance injury factor. Who knows what would have happened had he not hurt his finger and ankle?

As it stands, he is better to stay here where he knows the system than to go elsewhere and have to learn a new system. He isn't going to play anywhere unless there is an injury or two.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Just philosophically I don't think you can ever use that amount of draft capital unless you're landing an Elway, Manning, or Luck type prospect.

Moral of the story: never trade up in the 1st round of the NFL draft. It's always better to sit back and pick a guy that comes to you, because at least then you can say "Well, the guy we really wanted that has now proven to be a star was drafted before we could get to him. Sorry folks, thems the breaks. But we don't trade up because we fear failure and our fan base being disgruntled more than anything else."

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

I'm sorry, my beloved 49ers failed Trey Lance. And if I were him I'd demand to be released.

He can demand all he wants. He's not getting cut.

Originally posted by boast:
there is no situation currently that betters Lance's career. and you keep saying he should ask for his release without considering the cap hit.

I mean he could ask regardless of the cap situation. The 49ers will tell him to f**k off though. Realistically they'd tell him to go find a trade partner, because they have been trying.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
49ers should have had a firm idea of exactly who they were trading up for before they traded up.

Just philosophically I don't think you can ever use that amount of draft capital unless you're landing an Elway, Manning, or Luck type prospect.

I really do want a tell all book, what the eff happened with this selection, the trade, the whole 9 yards..

So bizarre.. my only guess, they recognize 2/3 years were sabotaged by QB injury, so we need to move on, they struck out on some guys (Stafford) passed on another (Brady), probably saw the rise of Mahomes, who they passed on, and said well we need our own version. So they started with the conclusion, let's get our own Allen/Mahomes, then worked backwards to figure TL best fits that description..

That's exactly what they did. It's also what 90% of the fan base wanted them to do.

Again, the lesson for Shanalynch is very clearly "Don't actually try." Fans like not trying a lot more than trying and failing.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by jrouter4949:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
I'm sorry, my beloved 49ers failed Trey Lance.

BIG TIME Fail,this lies at the feet of Dirty Kyle

For the betterment of his career, he should demand to be released. I would.

there is no situation currently that betters Lance's career. and you keep saying he should ask for his release without considering the cap hit.

There continues to be a theme, that we do what is best for Trey, not what is best for the team..

I don't think it's even for the betterment of his career. All demanding to be released would do, is make him look like a petulant child. That would hurt his career not help. He has no leverage. He is not a star player.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by boast:
there is no situation currently that betters Lance's career. and you keep saying he should ask for his release without considering the cap hit.

I mean he could ask regardless of the cap situation. The 49ers will tell him to f**k off though. Realistically they'd tell him to go find a trade partner, because they have been trying.

i believe the same poster said yesterday that Trey should not show up to the game today. like being a malcontent will better his career.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
He can demand all he wants. He's not getting cut.

Dude lost a QB battle to Sam Darnold. His best move is to chill, have a Coke and a smile and soak up as much as he can while they work out a trade.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by boast:
there is no situation currently that betters Lance's career. and you keep saying he should ask for his release without considering the cap hit.

I mean he could ask regardless of the cap situation. The 49ers will tell him to f**k off though. Realistically they'd tell him to go find a trade partner, because they have been trying.

i believe the same poster said yesterday that Trey should not show up to the game today. like being a malcontent will better his career.

Seems typical of the "The Great Resignation" generation.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

He can demand all he wants. He's not getting cut.

Dude lost a QB battle to Sam Darnold. His best move is to chill, have a Coke and a smile and soak up as much as he can while they work out a trade.

Even if he held out and didn't show up. He cost more to cut than keep. There is literally no point.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I really do want a tell all book, what the eff happened with this selection, the trade, the whole 9 yards..

So bizarre.. my only guess, they recognize 2/3 years were sabotaged by QB injury, so we need to move on, they struck out on some guys (Stafford) passed on another (Brady), probably saw the rise of Mahomes, who they passed on, and said well we need our own version. So they started with the conclusion, let's get our own Allen/Mahomes, then worked backwards to figure TL best fits that description..

I think the reporting around the draft was probably accurate. Kyle probably liked both Mac and Lance with a preference for Mac, and the scouts preferred Lance because of the 'potential'… and Kyle eventually moved to Lance.

My only question is how big a role the non-accountabilibuddies played, because that opens the door to the possibility that fan backlash was a concern.

I love Kyle as the coach of this team and think roster building has been overall excellent… but I do think we have structural flaws in that we don't have a traditional GM. That person is the one who understands strategic planning, and is capable of recognizing potentially catastrophic risks you shoudn't take.