Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Sorry if already posted, but I thought it was a fair take.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38253859/trey-lance-future-best-nfl-team-trade-fits-how-49ers-got-wrong-next

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I think the reporting around the draft was probably accurate. Kyle probably liked both Mac and Lance with a preference for Mac, and the scouts preferred Lance because of the 'potential'… and Kyle eventually moved to Lance.

My only question is how big a role the non-accountabilibuddies played, because that opens the door to the possibility that fan backlash was a concern.

I love Kyle as the coach of this team and think roster building has been overall excellent… but I do think we have structural flaws in that we don't have a traditional GM. That person is the one who understands strategic planning, and is capable of recognizing potentially catastrophic risks you shoudn't take.

Yup, I have been of this opinion. I love JL, he is a gold jacket, I really thought highly of him as a player. So having him is tremendous in my view. But he does have that blind spot of not a traditional GM, and he defers on O guys to KS is my understanding, so we are wide open for a lot of misses on O, if KS is not the GM that he is a HC. KS clearly gets WRs, I am not sure what else.. In any event, I think KS bringing in Griese, and the team to scout late round guys and identify BP, we fixed the issue.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by boast:
there is no situation currently that betters Lance's career. and you keep saying he should ask for his release without considering the cap hit.

I mean he could ask regardless of the cap situation. The 49ers will tell him to f**k off though. Realistically they'd tell him to go find a trade partner, because they have been trying.

i believe the same poster said yesterday that Trey should not show up to the game today. like being a malcontent will better his career.

Seems typical of the "The Great Resignation" generation.

Hows Bosa doing?

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
He can demand all he wants. He's not getting cut.

We should let him get out if he is willing to do a buyback, basically paying us back the remaining portion of the signing bonus.

I am sure he doesn't want to do that. There is a good chance he will never make that much for the rest of his career.

Jack Hammer, on Krueg's show today, had an interesting tidbit of what might have happened at the start of this past offseason. There was a comment asking if the two felt Trey asked for a trade at the start of the offseason/February.

Jack speculated that maybe Kyle went to Trey and told him Brock is #1 no matter what, if healthy. Trey asked if he could compete for the starting job, which was a no from Kyle. Then Trey probably asks if he could be traded. (I mean really, what is the benefit of sticking around if you can't compete for the starting role?). Jack feels Trey felt he could prove Kyle wrong, but apparently Trey doesn't know Kyle too well lol.. when he makes his mind up on something.. believe him.

Imo Kyle probably says we'll see about any trade potential, but probably not. And of course the 9ers sign Sam Darnold (to obviously compete with Trey for the backup job)...if all is healthy. Sam wouldn't come here to be a 3rd string QB.

This is what Trey said at the end of last season.

"Everyone saw what Brock did," Lance said, via 49ersWebzone.com. "Brock doesn't just come in and play that well, and I just get handed something out of the blue. And I don't expect that or want that, but I truly believe, yeah, I just want an opportunity to compete. That's all I wanted going into this offseason."

I don't feel he was giving that opportunity to truly compete with Kyle not even giving him the final preseason game before any decisions.. Trey hasn't played with any of the starters, while Sam Darnold got to last game.. and will this Chargers game.

So yeah I could understand Trey's reaction... he probably feels trapped.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
He can demand all he wants. He's not getting cut.

We should let him get out if he is willing to do a buyback, basically paying us back the remaining portion of the signing bonus.

I am sure he doesn't want to do that. There is a good chance he will never make that much for the rest of his career.

He saw how professional jimmy handled his role the last couple years here, if trey is smart then he just continues to be a good soldier, its the only strategy that benefits his career right now

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Yup, I have been of this opinion. I love JL, he is a gold jacket, I really thought highly of him as a player. So having him is tremendous in my view. But he does have that blind spot of not a traditional GM, and he defers on O guys to KS is my understanding, so we are wide open for a lot of misses on O, if KS is not the GM that he is a HC. KS clearly gets WRs, I am not sure what else.. In any event, I think KS bringing in Griese, and the team to scout late round guys and identify BP, we fixed the issue.

Yea to me I think John is mostly a figurehead and a guy who can make phone calls and manage the scouting department.

Ultimately Kyle is the final say on personnel and Paraag handles the nuts and bolts of the GM position.

It's GM by committee. We haven't had a real GM since Jed became the big boss.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Jack Hammer, on Krueg's show today, had an interesting tidbit of what might have happened at the start of this past offseason. There was a comment asking if the two felt Trey asked for a trade at the start of the offseason/February.

Jack speculated that maybe Kyle went to Trey and told him Brock is #1 no matter what, if healthy. Trey asked if he could compete for the starting job, which was a no from Kyle. Then Trey probably asks if he could be traded. (I mean really, what is the benefit of sticking around if you can't compete for the starting role?). Jack feels Trey felt he could prove Kyle wrong, but apparently Trey doesn't know Kyle too well lol.. when he makes his mind up on something.. believe him.

Imo Kyle probably says we'll see about any trade potential, but probably not. And of course the 9ers sign Sam Darnold (to obviously compete with Trey for the backup job)...if all is healthy. Sam wouldn't come here to be a 3rd string QB.

This is what Trey said at the end of last season.

"Everyone saw what Brock did," Lance said, via 49ersWebzone.com. "Brock doesn't just come in and play that well, and I just get handed something out of the blue. And I don't expect that or want that, but I truly believe, yeah, I just want an opportunity to compete. That's all I wanted going into this offseason."

I don't feel he was giving that opportunity to compete with Kyle not even giving him the final preseason game before any decisions.. Trey hasn't played with any of the starters, while Sam Darnold got to last game.. and will this Chargers game.

So yeah I could understand Trey's reaction... he probably feels trapped.

We don't owe him a fair chance to compete.

Had we gave him the "fair chance" to compete last season, he would have lost the competition against Brock and possibly Sudfeld.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I really do want a tell all book, what the eff happened with this selection, the trade, the whole 9 yards..

So bizarre.. my only guess, they recognize 2/3 years were sabotaged by QB injury, so we need to move on, they struck out on some guys (Stafford) passed on another (Brady), probably saw the rise of Mahomes, who they passed on, and said well we need our own version. So they started with the conclusion, let's get our own Allen/Mahomes, then worked backwards to figure TL best fits that description..

I think the reporting around the draft was probably accurate. Kyle probably liked both Mac and Lance with a preference for Mac, and the scouts preferred Lance because of the 'potential'… and Kyle eventually moved to Lance.

My only question is how big a role the non-accountabilibuddies played, because that opens the door to the possibility that fan backlash was a concern.

I love Kyle as the coach of this team and think roster building has been overall excellent… but I do think we have structural flaws in that we don't have a traditional GM. That person is the one who understands strategic planning, and is capable of recognizing potentially catastrophic risks you shoudn't take.

If Kyle had a preference for Mac Jones, that's the guy they would have drafted.
If really Shanahan was forced to draft Lance, he would have told us himself a long time ago.
The reality is that Kyle is not a great draft evaluator and specially for the QB position.
Imagine if they have drafted Mac Jones.
You trade Garoppolo and replace him with Mac Jones seriously. Where's the improvement here?
At least with Lance there was a hope of upside.
I think John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan should be really thankful of Steve Slowik, Brian Griese, Klay Kubiak and of course Brock Purdy.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Jack Hammer, on Krueg's show today, had an interesting tidbit of what might have happened at the start of this past offseason. There was a comment asking if the two felt Trey asked for a trade at the start of the offseason/February.

Jack speculated that maybe Kyle went to Trey and told him Brock is #1 no matter what, if healthy. Trey asked if he could compete for the starting job, which was a no from Kyle. Then Trey probably asks if he could be traded. (I mean really, what is the benefit of sticking around if you can't compete for the starting role?). Jack feels Trey felt he could prove Kyle wrong, but apparently Trey doesn't know Kyle too well lol.. when he makes his mind up on something.. believe him.

Imo Kyle probably says we'll see about any trade potential, but probably not. And of course the 9ers sign Sam Darnold (to obviously compete with Trey for the backup job)...if all is healthy. Sam wouldn't come here to be a 3rd string QB.

This is what Trey said at the end of last season.

"Everyone saw what Brock did," Lance said, via 49ersWebzone.com. "Brock doesn't just come in and play that well, and I just get handed something out of the blue. And I don't expect that or want that, but I truly believe, yeah, I just want an opportunity to compete. That's all I wanted going into this offseason."

I don't feel he was giving that opportunity to compete with Kyle not even giving him the final preseason game before any decisions.. Trey hasn't played with any of the starters, while Sam Darnold got to last game.. and will this Chargers game.

So yeah I could understand Trey's reaction... he probably feels trapped.

to me it's a question of motivation. What motivates KS? I would say he wants to lift up that trophy. If he felt TL at QB1 was the best option, that's where TL would be. If he felt TL at QB2 is the best option, that's where he would be.

I mean you really have to reach, to say KS is gonna burn three ones, then box him out for QB1, and not even allow him to compete with Sam for QB2. Is that what you are saying? Are you saying TL didn't even have a fair shake, at QB2? What would be Kyle's reason to sabotage TL? This part never gets explained..

Originally posted by pdc20:
If Kyle had a preference for Mac Jones, that's the guy they would have drafted.
If really Shanahan was forced to draft Lance, he would have told us himself a long time ago.
The reality is that Kyle is not a great draft evaluator and specially for the QB position.
Imagine if they have drafted Mac Jones.
You trade Garoppolo and replace him with Mac Jones seriously. Where's the improvement here?
At least with Lance there was a hope of upside.
I think John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan should be really thankful of Steve Slowik, Brian Griese, Klay Kubiak and of course Brock Purdy.

I'm not saying Kyle was forced. I don't believe that for a second. He was convinced to move off a player he liked to another player he might have liked slightly less initially.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Jack Hammer, on Krueg's show today, had an interesting tidbit of what might have happened at the start of this past offseason. There was a comment asking if the two felt Trey asked for a trade at the start of the offseason/February.

Jack speculated that maybe Kyle went to Trey and told him Brock is #1 no matter what, if healthy. Trey asked if he could compete for the starting job, which was a no from Kyle. Then Trey probably asks if he could be traded. (I mean really, what is the benefit of sticking around if you can't compete for the starting role?). Jack feels Trey felt he could prove Kyle wrong, but apparently Trey doesn't know Kyle too well lol.. when he makes his mind up on something.. believe him.

Imo Kyle probably says we'll see about any trade potential, but probably not. And of course the 9ers sign Sam Darnold (to obviously compete with Trey for the backup job)...if all is healthy. Sam wouldn't come here to be a 3rd string QB.

This is what Trey said at the end of last season.

"Everyone saw what Brock did," Lance said, via 49ersWebzone.com. "Brock doesn't just come in and play that well, and I just get handed something out of the blue. And I don't expect that or want that, but I truly believe, yeah, I just want an opportunity to compete. That's all I wanted going into this offseason."

I don't feel he was giving that opportunity to compete with Kyle not even giving him the final preseason game before any decisions.. Trey hasn't played with any of the starters, while Sam Darnold got to last game.. and will this Chargers game.

So yeah I could understand Trey's reaction... he probably feels trapped.

to me it's a question of motivation. What motivates KS? I would say he wants to lift up that trophy. If he felt TL at QB1 was the best option, that's where TL would be. If he felt TL at QB2 is the best option, that's where he would be.

I mean you really have to reach, to say KS is gonna burn three ones, then box him out for QB1, and not even allow Sam to compete for QB2. Is that what you are saying? Are you saying TL didn't even have a fair shake, at QB2? What would be Kyle's reason to sabotage TL? This part never gets explained..

Exactly, someone said Kyle had a crush on Darnold, thus the QB2 role was never a fair competition.

Well, I am sure Kyle had a crush on Trey based on what he did in the 2021 draft.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by jrouter4949:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
I'm sorry, my beloved 49ers failed Trey Lance.

BIG TIME Fail,this lies at the feet of Dirty Kyle

I don't get the we failed Lance take. Clearly we sold the ranch, so we were all in.

I just don't think we should have played him while injured and not ready year 1.
We played him and he got a season ender, year 2
Should we be handing BP the clipboard now? I don't get where the failed part comes in..

We never really committed to Lance in the first place. That's the failure. When we drafted him the deck should have been cleared for him, but it wasn't. The fact that it wasn't speaks loudly that they really didn't believe in him. Then he got hurt, and understandably Purdy earned QB1, and should be. Then, we began shopping him, BEFORE we signed Sam Darnold and Allen (according to reports). So, it was clear that after 4 regular season starts Shanny was done with Trey. Then after they bring in Sam Darnold and try to sell to everyone that there was a "competition" between Trey and Darnold when anyone paying attention knew that, because they were shopping Trey long before Darnold hit the building, they were already out on Trey.

This tells me that somewhere between Trey's injury and February this year Shanny's mind was made up to move on from Trey. If Shanny was truly committed to Trey, he would have NEVER brough in Darnold in to ostensibly "compete" with Lance for QB2. If a commitment to Lance existed there would have been no need for a competition for QB2. Darnold would have been QB3 from the get-go. But a "competition" was Shanny's cover for a decision he'd made already before camp.

To answer your question: NO, Purdy should not be holding a clipboard. But that's a strawman argument. I don't know anyone who's arguing for that. And frankly I'm getting tired of people advancing that. Even Lance understands why Brock is the starter. For many (myself included) it's how they handled Trey from the beginning, and how they handled him post-injury. This all has equated to failure of Trey Lance.

Frankly, if I were him, I'd demand that they release me. There's no point of risking injury and further risking my career.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Jack Hammer, on Krueg's show today, had an interesting tidbit of what might have happened at the start of this past offseason. There was a comment asking if the two felt Trey asked for a trade at the start of the offseason/February.

Jack speculated that maybe Kyle went to Trey and told him Brock is #1 no matter what, if healthy. Trey asked if he could compete for the starting job, which was a no from Kyle. Then Trey probably asks if he could be traded. (I mean really, what is the benefit of sticking around if you can't compete for the starting role?). Jack feels Trey felt he could prove Kyle wrong, but apparently Trey doesn't know Kyle too well lol.. when he makes his mind up on something.. believe him.

Imo Kyle probably says we'll see about any trade potential, but probably not. And of course the 9ers sign Sam Darnold (to obviously compete with Trey for the backup job)...if all is healthy. Sam wouldn't come here to be a 3rd string QB.

This is what Trey said at the end of last season.

"Everyone saw what Brock did," Lance said, via 49ersWebzone.com. "Brock doesn't just come in and play that well, and I just get handed something out of the blue. And I don't expect that or want that, but I truly believe, yeah, I just want an opportunity to compete. That's all I wanted going into this offseason."

I don't feel he was giving that opportunity to compete with Kyle not even giving him the final preseason game before any decisions.. Trey hasn't played with any of the starters, while Sam Darnold got to last game.. and will this Chargers game.

So yeah I could understand Trey's reaction... he probably feels trapped.

to me it's a question of motivation. What motivates KS? I would say he wants to lift up that trophy. If he felt TL at QB1 was the best option, that's where TL would be. If he felt TL at QB2 is the best option, that's where he would be.

I mean you really have to reach, to say KS is gonna burn three ones, then box him out for QB1, and not even allow Sam to compete for QB2. Is that what you are saying? Are you saying TL didn't even have a fair shake, at QB2? What would be Kyle's reason to sabotage TL? This part never gets explained..

Exactly, someone said Kyle had a crush on Darnold, thus the QB2 role was never a fair competition.

Well, I am sure Kyle had a crush on Trey based on what he did in the 2021 draft.

The KS sells the farm for TL so he can sabotage TL narrative
make it make sense at least ppl

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by pdc20:
If Kyle had a preference for Mac Jones, that's the guy they would have drafted.
If really Shanahan was forced to draft Lance, he would have told us himself a long time ago.
The reality is that Kyle is not a great draft evaluator and specially for the QB position.
Imagine if they have drafted Mac Jones.
You trade Garoppolo and replace him with Mac Jones seriously. Where's the improvement here?
At least with Lance there was a hope of upside.
I think John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan should be really thankful of Steve Slowik, Brian Griese, Klay Kubiak and of course Brock Purdy.

I'm not saying Kyle was forced. I don't believe that for a second. He was convinced to move off a player he liked to another player he might have liked slightly less initially.

This completely contradicts what Kyle and John said about their draft process.