Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Announcing the decision before the final preseason game does look bad.

Darnold certainly has performed better but there's kind of an icky feeling to the fact that they didn't at least let the final game play out.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
This completely contradicts what Kyle and John said about their draft process.

Could not care less what they said, but out curiosity what exactly are you referring to?

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Jack Hammer, on Krueg's show today, had an interesting tidbit of what might have happened at the start of this past offseason. There was a comment asking if the two felt Trey asked for a trade at the start of the offseason/February.

Jack speculated that maybe Kyle went to Trey and told him Brock is #1 no matter what, if healthy. Trey asked if he could compete for the starting job, which was a no from Kyle. Then Trey probably asks if he could be traded. (I mean really, what is the benefit of sticking around if you can't compete for the starting role?). Jack feels Trey felt he could prove Kyle wrong, but apparently Trey doesn't know Kyle too well lol.. when he makes his mind up on something.. believe him.

Imo Kyle probably says we'll see about any trade potential, but probably not. And of course the 9ers sign Sam Darnold (to obviously compete with Trey for the backup job)...if all is healthy. Sam wouldn't come here to be a 3rd string QB.

This is what Trey said at the end of last season.

"Everyone saw what Brock did," Lance said, via 49ersWebzone.com. "Brock doesn't just come in and play that well, and I just get handed something out of the blue. And I don't expect that or want that, but I truly believe, yeah, I just want an opportunity to compete. That's all I wanted going into this offseason."

I don't feel he was giving that opportunity to truly compete with Kyle not even giving him the final preseason game before any decisions.. Trey hasn't played with any of the starters, while Sam Darnold got to last game.. and will this Chargers game.

So yeah I could understand Trey's reaction... he probably feels trapped.

this comment is from Trey's appearance on the Eisen show less than two weeks after Brock was injured in the NFCCG.

i doubt the crux of Hammer's theory because of the unknown status of Purdy's health at the time all this allegedly went down.

MM did report this yesterday tho

Shortly after last season when Shanahan told Lance that Purdy would enter 2023 as the team's starting quarterback, according to a source, Lance was defiant and told Shanahan he would end up convincing him to change his mind.

i believe that much likely occurred. i dont believe Trey requested trade at that time.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
to me it's a question of motivation. What motivates KS? I would say he wants to lift up that trophy. If he felt TL at QB1 was the best option, that's where TL would be. If he felt TL at QB2 is the best option, that's where he would be.

I mean you really have to reach, to say KS is gonna burn three ones, then box him out for QB1, and not even allow Sam to compete for QB2. Is that what you are saying? Are you saying TL didn't even have a fair shake, at QB2? What would be Kyle's reason to sabotage TL? This part never gets explained..

Kyle is blinded when it comes to who Sam Darnold is. Once he was signed, The QB2 competition was over. Could Trey have still beat him out? Sure but he would have had to be 10 times better than Darnold. People should be concerned that Kyle might replace Brock with Sam the 1st chance he gets. He just needs an excuse to play his draft crush.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Announcing the decision before the final preseason game does look bad.

Darnold certainly has performed better but there's kind of an icky feeling to the fact that they didn't at least let the final game play out.

Gonna go the other way with it, KS was up front and said it's gonna be based on these last couple prax. No icky feeling here. Sam was a ways out in front, if you hear from Bill B, I shared moments ago. It was TL closer to Allen, than Sam. By getting it out there, they inform the players where they stand, and maybe they can swing something before the fast approaching cutdowns, who knows..

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by jrouter4949:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
I'm sorry, my beloved 49ers failed Trey Lance.

BIG TIME Fail,this lies at the feet of Dirty Kyle

For the betterment of his career, he should demand to be released. I would.

there is no situation currently that betters Lance's career. and you keep saying he should ask for his release without considering the cap hit.

Why should he consider the team's cap hit? Clearly, the team don't give a crap about his career with the way he's been handled. The 49ers cap isn't his problem. His career is his problem. So yeah, imma continue to say he should demand to be released.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
to me it's a question of motivation. What motivates KS? I would say he wants to lift up that trophy. If he felt TL at QB1 was the best option, that's where TL would be. If he felt TL at QB2 is the best option, that's where he would be.

I mean you really have to reach, to say KS is gonna burn three ones, then box him out for QB1, and not even allow Sam to compete for QB2. Is that what you are saying? Are you saying TL didn't even have a fair shake, at QB2? What would be Kyle's reason to sabotage TL? This part never gets explained..

Kyle is blinded when it comes to who Sam Darnold is. Once he was signed, The QB2 competition was over. Could Trey have still beat him out? Sure but he would have had to be 10 times better than Darnold. People should be concerned that Kyle might replace Brock with Sam the 1st chance he gets. He just needs an excuse to play his draft crush.

Oh come on here, you lost me at the first sentence.. 10 times better than Darnold to win the comp? please

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Just philosophically I don't think you can ever use that amount of draft capital unless you're landing an Elway, Manning, or Luck type prospect.

Moral of the story: never trade up in the 1st round of the NFL draft. It's always better to sit back and pick a guy that comes to you, because at least then you can say "Well, the guy we really wanted that has now proven to be a star was drafted before we could get to him. Sorry folks, thems the breaks. But we don't trade up because we fear failure and our fan base being disgruntled more than anything else."

I dont think this is a good moral of the story at all. There are plenty of examples of teams trading up in the draft to pick someone and it works out. Some obvious examples are Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Julio Jones, etc.

If you are trading up in the 1st round, you just have to nail the pick. We did not. That doesnt mean teams should NEVER trade up in the 1st round.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
to me it's a question of motivation. What motivates KS? I would say he wants to lift up that trophy. If he felt TL at QB1 was the best option, that's where TL would be. If he felt TL at QB2 is the best option, that's where he would be.

I mean you really have to reach, to say KS is gonna burn three ones, then box him out for QB1, and not even allow Sam to compete for QB2. Is that what you are saying? Are you saying TL didn't even have a fair shake, at QB2? What would be Kyle's reason to sabotage TL? This part never gets explained..

Kyle is blinded when it comes to who Sam Darnold is. Once he was signed, The QB2 competition was over. Could Trey have still beat him out? Sure but he would have had to be 10 times better than Darnold. People should be concerned that Kyle might replace Brock with Sam the 1st chance he gets. He just needs an excuse to play his draft crush.

Geno Smith 2.0

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by jrouter4949:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
I'm sorry, my beloved 49ers failed Trey Lance.

BIG TIME Fail,this lies at the feet of Dirty Kyle

I don't get the we failed Lance take. Clearly we sold the ranch, so we were all in.

I just don't think we should have played him while injured and not ready year 1.
We played him and he got a season ender, year 2
Should we be handing BP the clipboard now? I don't get where the failed part comes in..

We never really committed to Lance in the first place. That's the failure. When we drafted him the deck should have been cleared for him, but it wasn't. The fact that it wasn't speaks loudly that they really didn't believe in him. Then he got hurt, and understandably Purdy earned QB1, and should be. Then, we began shopping him, BEFORE we signed Sam Darnold and Allen (according to reports). So, it was clear that after 4 regular season starts Shanny was done with Trey. Then after they bring in Sam Darnold and try to sell to everyone that there was a "competition" between Trey and Darnold when anyone paying attention knew that, because they were shopping Trey long before Darnold hit the building, they were already out on Trey.

This tells me that somewhere between Trey's injury and February this year Shanny's mind was made up to move on from Trey. If Shanny was truly committed to Trey, he would have NEVER brough in Darnold in to ostensibly "compete" with Lance for QB2. If a commitment to Lance existed there would have been no need for a competition for QB2. Darnold would have been QB3 from the get-go. But a "competition" was Shanny's cover for a decision he'd made already before camp.

To answer your question: NO, Purdy should not be holding a clipboard. But that's a strawman argument. I don't know anyone who's arguing for that. And frankly I'm getting tired of people advancing that. Even Lance understands why Brock is the starter. For many (myself included) it's how they handled Trey from the beginning, and how they handled him post-injury. This all has equated to failure of Trey Lance.

Frankly, if I were him, I'd demand that they release me. There's no point of risking injury and further risking my career.

It wasn't somewhere between the injury to Feb. It was his lack of development during the off-season last year. Kyle must have been very disappointed and was forced to play Trey at the start of the season because that was the iniatial plan. I bet Kyle was ready to benched Trey anytime. He didn't have to do that because of the injury.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
to me it's a question of motivation. What motivates KS? I would say he wants to lift up that trophy. If he felt TL at QB1 was the best option, that's where TL would be. If he felt TL at QB2 is the best option, that's where he would be.

I mean you really have to reach, to say KS is gonna burn three ones, then box him out for QB1, and not even allow Sam to compete for QB2. Is that what you are saying? Are you saying TL didn't even have a fair shake, at QB2? What would be Kyle's reason to sabotage TL? This part never gets explained..

Kyle is blinded when it comes to who Sam Darnold is. Once he was signed, The QB2 competition was over. Could Trey have still beat him out? Sure but he would have had to be 10 times better than Darnold. People should be concerned that Kyle might replace Brock with Sam the 1st chance he gets. He just needs an excuse to play his draft crush.

Geno Smith 2.0

Is that Sam? Lance? A compliment? An insult?

It could go a lot of ways lol
ya never know with Geno

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by jrouter4949:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
I'm sorry, my beloved 49ers failed Trey Lance.

BIG TIME Fail,this lies at the feet of Dirty Kyle

I don't get the we failed Lance take. Clearly we sold the ranch, so we were all in.

I just don't think we should have played him while injured and not ready year 1.
We played him and he got a season ender, year 2
Should we be handing BP the clipboard now? I don't get where the failed part comes in..

We never really committed to Lance in the first place. That's the failure. When we drafted him the deck should have been cleared for him, but it wasn't. The fact that it wasn't speaks loudly that they really didn't believe in him. Then he got hurt, and understandably Purdy earned QB1, and should be. Then, we began shopping him, BEFORE we signed Sam Darnold and Allen (according to reports). So, it was clear that after 4 regular season starts Shanny was done with Trey. Then after they bring in Sam Darnold and try to sell to everyone that there was a "competition" between Trey and Darnold when anyone paying attention knew that, because they were shopping Trey long before Darnold hit the building, they were already out on Trey.

This tells me that somewhere between Trey's injury and February this year Shanny's mind was made up to move on from Trey. If Shanny was truly committed to Trey, he would have NEVER brough in Darnold in to ostensibly "compete" with Lance for QB2. If a commitment to Lance existed there would have been no need for a competition for QB2. Darnold would have been QB3 from the get-go. But a "competition" was Shanny's cover for a decision he'd made already before camp.

To answer your question: NO, Purdy should not be holding a clipboard. But that's a strawman argument. I don't know anyone who's arguing for that. And frankly I'm getting tired of people advancing that. Even Lance understands why Brock is the starter. For many (myself included) it's how they handled Trey from the beginning, and how they handled him post-injury. This all has equated to failure of Trey Lance.

Frankly, if I were him, I'd demand that they release me. There's no point of risking injury and further risking my career.

If Lance needs so much protection that the QB room needs to be devoid of challengers for him to start that's not a great reflection on his ability to run this offense.

If Lance suddenly becomes a "I was wronged, everyone is at fault but me, the world is unfair" type person over this than he's going to find zero opportunities open for him. No teams are going to want that. Lance's best assets right now are his work ethic, humility, and willingness to contribute as much as he possibly can with any opportunity big or small that comes his way. If he suddenly starts being Mr. Mopey or uncooperative that word will get around fast, and it will endear him to none of the other teams' GMs or HCs that may have interest in him.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
to me it's a question of motivation. What motivates KS? I would say he wants to lift up that trophy. If he felt TL at QB1 was the best option, that's where TL would be. If he felt TL at QB2 is the best option, that's where he would be.

I mean you really have to reach, to say KS is gonna burn three ones, then box him out for QB1, and not even allow Sam to compete for QB2. Is that what you are saying? Are you saying TL didn't even have a fair shake, at QB2? What would be Kyle's reason to sabotage TL? This part never gets explained..

Kyle is blinded when it comes to who Sam Darnold is. Once he was signed, The QB2 competition was over. Could Trey have still beat him out? Sure but he would have had to be 10 times better than Darnold. People should be concerned that Kyle might replace Brock with Sam the 1st chance he gets. He just needs an excuse to play his draft crush.

Source? Or did you just made this up?

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by jrouter4949:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
I'm sorry, my beloved 49ers failed Trey Lance.

BIG TIME Fail,this lies at the feet of Dirty Kyle

For the betterment of his career, he should demand to be released. I would.

there is no situation currently that betters Lance's career. and you keep saying he should ask for his release without considering the cap hit.

Why should he consider the team's cap hit? Clearly, the team don't give a crap about his career with the way he's been handled. The 49ers cap isn't his problem. His career is his problem. So yeah, imma continue to say he should demand to be released.

im not saying for Trey to consider it. im saying YOU are not considering it in sharing your opinion on what Trey should do. Trey knows this already.

again you want Trey to be a malcontent but you also want him to better his career. those two dont jibe with each other. lolol. dont ever let anger guide your career decisions

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Understood.

I'd still demand the release.

He's not in any position to demand anything.

Oh yes he is. How does it benefit him to take the filed and risk injury in a meaningless preseason game? What, you think a team won't pick him up if he's released, or if he forces himself out? (I know what's coming. . .)