Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by TyCore:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
I'm sorry, my beloved 49ers failed Trey Lance. And if I were him I'd demand to be released.

Released or traded or staying, he'll be in a situation where he has no chance to start.

This is true, but he'll be no worse than QB2, with a much better chance to actually play.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Just philosophically I don't think you can ever use that amount of draft capital unless you're landing an Elway, Manning, or Luck type prospect.

Moral of the story: never trade up in the 1st round of the NFL draft. It's always better to sit back and pick a guy that comes to you, because at least then you can say "Well, the guy we really wanted that has now proven to be a star was drafted before we could get to him. Sorry folks, thems the breaks. But we don't trade up because we fear failure and our fan base being disgruntled more than anything else."

I dont think this is a good moral of the story at all. There are plenty of examples of teams trading up in the draft to pick someone and it works out. Some obvious examples are Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Julio Jones, etc.

If you are trading up in the 1st round, you just have to nail the pick. We did not. That doesnt mean teams should NEVER trade up in the 1st round.

I was being facetious. The only way to avoid criticism is to never try. Won't do much to succeed with that approach either, however. But fans seem to want their GM/HC to make a billion moves and swing for the fences but at the same time are unwilling to accept that bigger risks come with bigger rewards AND bigger failures.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Source? Or did you just made this up?

He signed him the 1st chance he became available. And it's no secret Kyle loves him. He talked him up in 2020 like he was Patrick Mahomes or something. Trey had an uphill battle.

9ersLifer must see Trey as a superstar who has juice to call his own shots. lolololol.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Just philosophically I don't think you can ever use that amount of draft capital unless you're landing an Elway, Manning, or Luck type prospect.

Moral of the story: never trade up in the 1st round of the NFL draft. It's always better to sit back and pick a guy that comes to you, because at least then you can say "Well, the guy we really wanted that has now proven to be a star was drafted before we could get to him. Sorry folks, thems the breaks. But we don't trade up because we fear failure and our fan base being disgruntled more than anything else."

I dont think this is a good moral of the story at all. There are plenty of examples of teams trading up in the draft to pick someone and it works out. Some obvious examples are Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Julio Jones, etc.

If you are trading up in the 1st round, you just have to nail the pick. We did not. That doesnt mean teams should NEVER trade up in the 1st round.

99% correct. You are supposed to swing for the fences when trying to find a franchise qb.

I left 1% because while it sucks if you miss, and most do,. I would argue a majority of reasonable fans understand this is the one position you take heavy risk on.

Unfortunately with Trey we will never know because Kyle left him at the alter,

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Understood.

I'd still demand the release.

He's not in any position to demand anything.

Oh yes he is. How does it benefit him to take the filed and risk injury in a meaningless preseason game? What, you think a team won't pick him up if he's released, or if he forces himself out? (I know what's coming. . .)

It benefits him because maybe he puts even more good film out there for another team to be interested in him. He's not going to win another suitor over, whether this year or next offseason, by refusing to put more film out there when there's an opportunity to do so.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Source? Or did you just made this up?

He signed him the 1st chance he became available. And it's no secret Kyle loves him. He talked him up in 2020 like he was Patrick Mahomes or something. Trey had an uphill battle.

It's no secret Kyle loves Trey, otherwise he wouldn't have spent all those draft capital on him. Thus your theory doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Source? Or did you just made this up?

He signed him the 1st chance he became available. And it's no secret Kyle loves him. He talked him up in 2020 like he was Patrick Mahomes or something. Trey had an uphill battle.

When Lance was barely off of his injury and Purdy was TBD. Not signing a QB at that time would be an insult to all the other players. "Oh, we could have improved the QB room, but decided not to in order to protect Lance's feelings." Yeah, THAT would go over well with the locker room.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
99% correct. You are supposed to swing for the fences when trying to find a franchise qb.

I left 1% because while it sucks if you miss, and most do,. I would argue a majority of reasonable fans understand this is the one position you take heavy risk on.

Unfortunately with Trey we will never know because Kyle left him at the alter,

Betreyed? Lol

Originally posted by captveg:
When Lance was barely off of his injury and Purdy was TBD. Not signing a QB at that time would be an insult to all the other players. "Oh, we could have improved the QB room, but decided not to in order to protect Lance's feelings." Yeah, THAT would go over well with the locker room.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Just philosophically I don't think you can ever use that amount of draft capital unless you're landing an Elway, Manning, or Luck type prospect.

Moral of the story: never trade up in the 1st round of the NFL draft. It's always better to sit back and pick a guy that comes to you, because at least then you can say "Well, the guy we really wanted that has now proven to be a star was drafted before we could get to him. Sorry folks, thems the breaks. But we don't trade up because we fear failure and our fan base being disgruntled more than anything else."

I dont think this is a good moral of the story at all. There are plenty of examples of teams trading up in the draft to pick someone and it works out. Some obvious examples are Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Julio Jones, etc.

If you are trading up in the 1st round, you just have to nail the pick. We did not. That doesnt mean teams should NEVER trade up in the 1st round.

99% correct. You are supposed to swing for the fences when trying to find a franchise qb.

I left 1% because while it sucks if you miss, and most do,. I would argue a majority of reasonable fans understand this is the one position you take heavy risk on.

Unfortunately with Trey we will never know because Kyle left him at the alter,

Posting this again since I don't want the context neglected (I recognize sarcasm is lost on such a board with lots of terrible sincere opinions):

I was being facetious. The only way to avoid criticism is to never try. Won't do much to succeed with that approach either, however. But fans seem to want their GM/HC to make a billion moves and swing for the fences but at the same time are unwilling to accept that bigger risks come with bigger rewards AND bigger failures.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Honestly think there was little point to Lance playing another college season in the situation he was in.

It was unfortunate for him that we took him instead of a team like the Bears.

agreed, the climate and market was right for him at that time, he or someone in his camp had a great read on the situation and advised him well $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Originally posted by captveg:
I was being facetious. The only way to avoid criticism is to never try. Won't do much to succeed with that approach either, however. But fans seem to want their GM/HC to make a billion moves and swing for the fences but at the same time are unwilling to accept that bigger risks come with bigger rewards AND bigger failures.

Spending 3 1st round picks on a project player from a lower level of college football, who didn't play the season before and who had 1 full year of experience, is an unacceptable risk for the price. You're seeing it firsthand and it was easily predictable.

That isn't to say don't trade up and take a shot at a prospect. It can be a trade for less capital or select a more known and proven player at a higher level of college football. It's not black and white.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Announcing the decision before the final preseason game does look bad.

Darnold certainly has performed better but there's kind of an icky feeling to the fact that they didn't at least let the final game play out.

how the whole thing unfolded was FUBAR.... one minute we think its a few weeks away from the announcement, then out of nowhere it came

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
I'm sorry, my beloved 49ers failed Trey Lance. And if I were him I'd demand to be released.

The only fair criticism that can be leveled against the team is drafting him in the first place. He should have gone to someplace like Chicago where he could play every week without the pressure of losing games that would hurt playoff chances.

What failed was the chance injury factor. Who knows what would have happened had he not hurt his finger and ankle?

As it stands, he is better to stay here where he knows the system than to go elsewhere and have to learn a new system. He isn't going to play anywhere unless there is an injury or two.

No, it's not better for him to stay here. It's better for the team if he stays here. And you're right, he should have never been drafted in the first place. But because they did, and mortgaged a bunch of draft capital to do so, we should have completely committed in him and cleared the deck for him by moving on from Jimmy G. But that's not what happened. Then Trey broke his ankle, then around February we began shopping him, then proceeded in faking a "competition" between he and Darnold.

The 49ers are doing what's best for the team, which I understand. but what best for the team isn't what's best for Lance. He should demand a release.