Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by captveg:
I was being facetious. The only way to avoid criticism is to never try. Won't do much to succeed with that approach either, however. But fans seem to want their GM/HC to make a billion moves and swing for the fences but at the same time are unwilling to accept that bigger risks come with bigger rewards AND bigger failures.

Spending 3 1st round picks on a project player from a lower level of college football, who didn't play the season before and who had 1 full year of experience, is an unacceptable risk for the price. You're seeing it firsthand and it was easily predictable.

That isn't to say don't trade up and take a shot at a prospect. It can be a trade for less capital or select a more known and proven player at a higher level of college football.

It was a huge swing for sure. That means homerun or strikeout. It was a strikeout. If Lance was Mahomes 2.0 it would have been hailed as the greatest draft trade of all time. That's the risk.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Oh yes he is. How does it benefit him to take the filed and risk injury in a meaningless preseason game? What, you think a team won't pick him up if he's released, or if he forces himself out? (I know what's coming. . .)

He hasn't accomplished anything in this league to be making demands. He has no leverage, he's under contract for at least one more year after this one and demand for his services is already tepid. Adding headache to his list of cons isn't going to improve his career chances any.

If they can't get a trade done then his best move is to sit, learn and be ready for his chance should it come.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
We never really committed to Lance in the first place. That's the failure. When we drafted him the deck should have been cleared for him, but it wasn't. The fact that it wasn't speaks loudly that they really didn't believe in him. Then he got hurt, and understandably Purdy earned QB1, and should be. Then, we began shopping him, BEFORE we signed Sam Darnold and Allen (according to reports). So, it was clear that after 4 regular season starts Shanny was done with Trey. Then after they bring in Sam Darnold and try to sell to everyone that there was a "competition" between Trey and Darnold when anyone paying attention knew that, because they were shopping Trey long before Darnold hit the building, they were already out on Trey.

This tells me that somewhere between Trey's injury and February this year Shanny's mind was made up to move on from Trey. If Shanny was truly committed to Trey, he would have NEVER brough in Darnold in to ostensibly "compete" with Lance for QB2. If a commitment to Lance existed there would have been no need for a competition for QB2. Darnold would have been QB3 from the get-go. But a "competition" was Shanny's cover for a decision he'd made already before camp.

To answer your question: NO, Purdy should not be holding a clipboard. But that's a strawman argument. I don't know anyone who's arguing for that. And frankly I'm getting tired of people advancing that. Even Lance understands why Brock is the starter. For many (myself included) it's how they handled Trey from the beginning, and how they handled him post-injury. This all has equated to failure of Trey Lance.

Frankly, if I were him, I'd demand that they release me. There's no point of risking injury and further risking my career.

Good post, I don't agree on it, but I appreciate you. Good to hear the other side of the issue, from what I am thinking. My main differences is I think if the deck was cleared it would have hurt, not helped Lance. He would have been exposed, after a DNP in 2020, and with a injury to his throw hand, if we asked him to play 17 games as a rook.
My other disagreement or thought, is when you talk about Kyle never committed by bringing in Darnold, I think this was because he saw TL wasn't it, and he wanted to get a QB1 if he felt BP wasn't gonna come back in time. So in other words, you are right, but his failure to commit wasn't out of emotion or spite to TL, it's cuz TL wasn't the answer, and KS knew it by then. TL kind of forced his hand, by not being far along enough. KS felt TL would come along quicker, after watching for 18 months. That's my take.

Originally posted by captveg:
It was a huge swing for sure. That means homerun or strikeout. It was a strikeout. If Lance was Mahomes 2.0 it would have been hailed as the greatest draft trade of all time. That's the risk.

There was basically zero chance this guy was the next Mahomes, lol. He's not close to as talented and did not have the experience. For reference, the Chiefs traded up for Mahomes and paid nowhere near the cost we did.

It's the actual cost we paid in relation to the prospect we took. It's not simply the idea that you should never trade up and grab a guy you like. You can get a borderline MVP level QB for what we paid. You could buy 3 stars at other positions.

I'd argue a project player in the mold of Lance should never be drafted in the top 5 not even factoring a trade. This type of player is better suited towards the end of the 1st round or into the 2nd (like Colin Kaepernick, Jordan Love, or Jalen Hurts).

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
99% correct. You are supposed to swing for the fences when trying to find a franchise qb.

I left 1% because while it sucks if you miss, and most do,. I would argue a majority of reasonable fans understand this is the one position you take heavy risk on.

Unfortunately with Trey we will never know because Kyle left him at the alter,

Betreyed? Lol

I bet Lance isn't happy. Lynch said he was devastated (why even publicly state that btw?)

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Oh yes he is. How does it benefit him to take the filed and risk injury in a meaningless preseason game? What, you think a team won't pick him up if he's released, or if he forces himself out? (I know what's coming. . .)

He hasn't accomplished anything in this league to be making demands. He has no leverage, he's under contract for at least one more year after this one and demand for his services is already tepid. Adding headache to his list of cons isn't going to improve his career chances any.

If they can't get a trade done then his best move is to sit, learn and be ready for his chance should it come.

He may be trying to pull a Patrick McCaw.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by jrouter4949:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
I'm sorry, my beloved 49ers failed Trey Lance.

BIG TIME Fail,this lies at the feet of Dirty Kyle

I don't get the we failed Lance take. Clearly we sold the ranch, so we were all in.

I just don't think we should have played him while injured and not ready year 1.
We played him and he got a season ender, year 2
Should we be handing BP the clipboard now? I don't get where the failed part comes in..

We never really committed to Lance in the first place. That's the failure. When we drafted him the deck should have been cleared for him, but it wasn't. The fact that it wasn't speaks loudly that they really didn't believe in him. Then he got hurt, and understandably Purdy earned QB1, and should be. Then, we began shopping him, BEFORE we signed Sam Darnold and Allen (according to reports). So, it was clear that after 4 regular season starts Shanny was done with Trey. Then after they bring in Sam Darnold and try to sell to everyone that there was a "competition" between Trey and Darnold when anyone paying attention knew that, because they were shopping Trey long before Darnold hit the building, they were already out on Trey.

This tells me that somewhere between Trey's injury and February this year Shanny's mind was made up to move on from Trey. If Shanny was truly committed to Trey, he would have NEVER brough in Darnold in to ostensibly "compete" with Lance for QB2. If a commitment to Lance existed there would have been no need for a competition for QB2. Darnold would have been QB3 from the get-go. But a "competition" was Shanny's cover for a decision he'd made already before camp.

To answer your question: NO, Purdy should not be holding a clipboard. But that's a strawman argument. I don't know anyone who's arguing for that. And frankly I'm getting tired of people advancing that. Even Lance understands why Brock is the starter. For many (myself included) it's how they handled Trey from the beginning, and how they handled him post-injury. This all has equated to failure of Trey Lance.

Frankly, if I were him, I'd demand that they release me. There's no point of risking injury and further risking my career.

It wasn't somewhere between the injury to Feb. It was his lack of development during the off-season last year. Kyle must have been very disappointed and was forced to play Trey at the start of the season because that was the iniatial plan. I bet Kyle was ready to benched Trey anytime. He didn't have to do that because of the injury.

See, now I know you're full of it. All reports have been that Lance has displayed vast improvements from last season, even after the injury. His mechanics has improved, his accuracy has definitely improved. So no, Kyle made his mind up between his injury and February.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by jrouter4949:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
I'm sorry, my beloved 49ers failed Trey Lance.

BIG TIME Fail,this lies at the feet of Dirty Kyle

I don't get the we failed Lance take. Clearly we sold the ranch, so we were all in.

I just don't think we should have played him while injured and not ready year 1.
We played him and he got a season ender, year 2
Should we be handing BP the clipboard now? I don't get where the failed part comes in..

We never really committed to Lance in the first place. That's the failure. When we drafted him the deck should have been cleared for him, but it wasn't. The fact that it wasn't speaks loudly that they really didn't believe in him. Then he got hurt, and understandably Purdy earned QB1, and should be. Then, we began shopping him, BEFORE we signed Sam Darnold and Allen (according to reports). So, it was clear that after 4 regular season starts Shanny was done with Trey. Then after they bring in Sam Darnold and try to sell to everyone that there was a "competition" between Trey and Darnold when anyone paying attention knew that, because they were shopping Trey long before Darnold hit the building, they were already out on Trey.

This tells me that somewhere between Trey's injury and February this year Shanny's mind was made up to move on from Trey. If Shanny was truly committed to Trey, he would have NEVER brough in Darnold in to ostensibly "compete" with Lance for QB2. If a commitment to Lance existed there would have been no need for a competition for QB2. Darnold would have been QB3 from the get-go. But a "competition" was Shanny's cover for a decision he'd made already before camp.

To answer your question: NO, Purdy should not be holding a clipboard. But that's a strawman argument. I don't know anyone who's arguing for that. And frankly I'm getting tired of people advancing that. Even Lance understands why Brock is the starter. For many (myself included) it's how they handled Trey from the beginning, and how they handled him post-injury. This all has equated to failure of Trey Lance.

Frankly, if I were him, I'd demand that they release me. There's no point of risking injury and further risking my career.

It wasn't somewhere between the injury to Feb. It was his lack of development during the off-season last year. Kyle must have been very disappointed and was forced to play Trey at the start of the season because that was the iniatial plan. I bet Kyle was ready to benched Trey anytime. He didn't have to do that because of the injury.

See, now I know you're full of it. All reports have been that Lance has displayed vast improvements from last season, even after the injury. His mechanics has improved, his accuracy has definitely improved. So no, Kyle made his mind up between his injury and February.

Nope. He improved, but not enough.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by jrouter4949:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

I'm sorry, my beloved 49ers failed Trey Lance.

BIG TIME Fail,this lies at the feet of Dirty Kyle

For the betterment of his career, he should demand to be released. I would.

there is no situation currently that betters Lance's career. and you keep saying he should ask for his release without considering the cap hit.

Why should he consider the team's cap hit? Clearly, the team don't give a crap about his career with the way he's been handled. The 49ers cap isn't his problem. His career is his problem. So yeah, imma continue to say he should demand to be released.

The drafted him 3rd and handed him the starting job which he lost.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
No, it's not better for him to stay here. It's better for the team if he stays here. And you're right, he should have never been drafted in the first place. But because they did, and mortgaged a bunch of draft capital to do so, we should have completely committed in him and cleared the deck for him by moving on from Jimmy G. But that's not what happened. Then Trey broke his ankle, then around February we began shopping him, then proceeded in faking a "competition" between he and Darnold.

The 49ers are doing what's best for the team, which I understand. but what best for the team isn't what's best for Lance. He should demand a release.

the team wouldnt have started to shop him in February while he was still injured. makes zero sense. you seem like you'd rather beileve this rumor but ignore the reality at the time.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
He may be trying to pull a Patrick McCaw.

He may be trying to pull a Paxton Lynch and go and play in Canada.

"Better learn French buddy"-Some guy in Quebec

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

to me it's a question of motivation. What motivates KS? I would say he wants to lift up that trophy. If he felt TL at QB1 was the best option, that's where TL would be. If he felt TL at QB2 is the best option, that's where he would be.

I mean you really have to reach, to say KS is gonna burn three ones, then box him out for QB1, and not even allow Sam to compete for QB2. Is that what you are saying? Are you saying TL didn't even have a fair shake, at QB2? What would be Kyle's reason to sabotage TL? This part never gets explained..

Kyle is blinded when it comes to who Sam Darnold is. Once he was signed, The QB2 competition was over. Could Trey have still beat him out? Sure but he would have had to be 10 times better than Darnold. People should be concerned that Kyle might replace Brock with Sam the 1st chance he gets. He just needs an excuse to play his draft crush.

But he wasn't any better.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by jrouter4949:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
I'm sorry, my beloved 49ers failed Trey Lance.

BIG TIME Fail,this lies at the feet of Dirty Kyle

For the betterment of his career, he should demand to be released. I would.

there is no situation currently that betters Lance's career. and you keep saying he should ask for his release without considering the cap hit.

Why should he consider the team's cap hit? Clearly, the team don't give a crap about his career with the way he's been handled. The 49ers cap isn't his problem. His career is his problem. So yeah, imma continue to say he should demand to be released.

The drafted him 3rd and handed him the starting job which he lost.

They drafted the wrong QB at #3.

Could have had Mahomes at #3, if so we would have been able to keep all those picks we spent on Shanahan's version of Mahomes (Trey).

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Just philosophically I don't think you can ever use that amount of draft capital unless you're landing an Elway, Manning, or Luck type prospect.

Moral of the story: never trade up in the 1st round of the NFL draft. It's always better to sit back and pick a guy that comes to you, because at least then you can say "Well, the guy we really wanted that has now proven to be a star was drafted before we could get to him. Sorry folks, thems the breaks. But we don't trade up because we fear failure and our fan base being disgruntled more than anything else."

I dont think this is a good moral of the story at all. There are plenty of examples of teams trading up in the draft to pick someone and it works out. Some obvious examples are Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Julio Jones, etc.

If you are trading up in the 1st round, you just have to nail the pick. We did not. That doesnt mean teams should NEVER trade up in the 1st round.

99% correct. You are supposed to swing for the fences when trying to find a franchise qb.

I left 1% because while it sucks if you miss, and most do,. I would argue a majority of reasonable fans understand this is the one position you take heavy risk on.

Unfortunately with Trey we will never know because Kyle left him at the alter,

Posting this again since I don't want the context neglected (I recognize sarcasm is lost on such a board with lots of terrible sincere opinions):

I was being facetious. The only way to avoid criticism is to never try. Won't do much to succeed with that approach either, however. But fans seem to want their GM/HC to make a billion moves and swing for the fences but at the same time are unwilling to accept that bigger risks come with bigger rewards AND bigger failures.

Ah got you. Sarcasm can be hard to read! 100%. My issue is I believe he isn't interested in developing Lance anymore and imo gave up super quick on a player they traded the damn farm for. If Purdy gets hurt I have zero faith in Darold. Jimmy is better than him and I knew he was never going to win it for us. I'd rather see Lance if it came to that.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by jrouter4949:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
I'm sorry, my beloved 49ers failed Trey Lance.

BIG TIME Fail,this lies at the feet of Dirty Kyle

I don't get the we failed Lance take. Clearly we sold the ranch, so we were all in.

I just don't think we should have played him while injured and not ready year 1.
We played him and he got a season ender, year 2
Should we be handing BP the clipboard now? I don't get where the failed part comes in..

We never really committed to Lance in the first place. That's the failure. When we drafted him the deck should have been cleared for him, but it wasn't. The fact that it wasn't speaks loudly that they really didn't believe in him. Then he got hurt, and understandably Purdy earned QB1, and should be. Then, we began shopping him, BEFORE we signed Sam Darnold and Allen (according to reports). So, it was clear that after 4 regular season starts Shanny was done with Trey. Then after they bring in Sam Darnold and try to sell to everyone that there was a "competition" between Trey and Darnold when anyone paying attention knew that, because they were shopping Trey long before Darnold hit the building, they were already out on Trey.

This tells me that somewhere between Trey's injury and February this year Shanny's mind was made up to move on from Trey. If Shanny was truly committed to Trey, he would have NEVER brough in Darnold in to ostensibly "compete" with Lance for QB2. If a commitment to Lance existed there would have been no need for a competition for QB2. Darnold would have been QB3 from the get-go. But a "competition" was Shanny's cover for a decision he'd made already before camp.

To answer your question: NO, Purdy should not be holding a clipboard. But that's a strawman argument. I don't know anyone who's arguing for that. And frankly I'm getting tired of people advancing that. Even Lance understands why Brock is the starter. For many (myself included) it's how they handled Trey from the beginning, and how they handled him post-injury. This all has equated to failure of Trey Lance.

Frankly, if I were him, I'd demand that they release me. There's no point of risking injury and further risking my career.

It wasn't somewhere between the injury to Feb. It was his lack of development during the off-season last year. Kyle must have been very disappointed and was forced to play Trey at the start of the season because that was the iniatial plan. I bet Kyle was ready to benched Trey anytime. He didn't have to do that because of the injury.

See, now I know you're full of it. All reports have been that Lance has displayed vast improvements from last season, even after the injury. His mechanics has improved, his accuracy has definitely improved. So no, Kyle made his mind up between his injury and February.

He improved upon himself, yes. Wasn't enough. He still didn't run the offense well.