Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:

Originally posted by pdc20:
Trading him to Dallas, what a weird choice seriously.
They couldn't trade him to an AFC team or a NFC team less "linked" with the Niners?
Might as well keep him.

Yeah I would of only did that for a really high draft pick, but not what will be a really low 4th.

I heard the Bills were interested, and I would of taken their offer even if it was a 5th.

Youd take less value? Interesting.

With that said, I don't see how this helps Trey but there is somewhat of a possibility he could be in competition with Dak if Dak doesn't perform this year. But I doubt Trey could win it. He needed to go to Washington or some place he can start and play with regularity.

To be fair our hit rate in the 5th round is pretty damn good with this front office. 4th rounders at hit or miss

Yup, 5th - UDFA's has to be the best ROI over 7 years compared to every other team. Rounds 1-4? Gotta be one of the very worst.

From a long term point of view, I'd rather hit on late rounds than depend on early rounds. Bosa is an example. What if you pick Bosa, and for the rest of his career you don't pick any earlier than pick #29? Now your team is screwed if the only time you draft well is when you have the top 10 pick in the draft.

But if you hit on late rounders consistently, your team (no matter what record you had the previous year) will always have a good draft, generally speaking.

Thats tough for folks like me who want a Trent Williams level player every draft, but if we can get a Banks or Brendel, that goes a long way to satisfy that number 1 pick draft itch.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
KS: "we took our shot and it didn't work out, that's on us"

at least Shanny manned up and took ownership for this ginormous error

no doubt, good nuggets in there

KS said, 'there is no developmental league'

that's what TL needs tho, some place he can pass 40 times a game and level up, there is no NFL team that can give him that right now, his floor is too low, he really does need more of a developmental league to level up, it was a massive miscalculation, but we clean up the mess, no wallowing in it, and move on

Originally posted by SanFranFanfrmVa:
How to you give up 2 first round picks and draft a QB number 3 overall and never give him a chance?

We gave up 3 first round picks and change.

simple math

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
KS: "we took our shot and it didn't work out, that's on us"

at least Shanny manned up and took ownership for this ginormous error

no doubt, good nuggets in there

KS said, 'there is no developmental league'

that's what TL needs tho, some place he can pass 40 times a game and level up, there is no NFL team that can give him that right now, his floor is too low, he really does need more of a developmental league to level up, it was a massive miscalculation, but we clean up the mess, no wallowing in it, and move on

he should do CFL like Warren Moon did for 5 years, and we all know how well that worked out for the legend (he is one of my all time fav QBs)

Originally posted by TD49ers:
I hate Dallas.

Same. They got Haley and 3 Superbowls out of Sieferts brain fart.

But if Trey is happy there, that's on Trey. I would have liked Trey to go to the AFC and the Bills, but Trey would not be happy. Dallas wants him more than any other team, and that makes me feel they will do their best to genuinely develop him. While the odds are good that Trey will be a great QB (my opinion of course) that doesn't mean Dallas will be a good team. We consistently beat Green Bay with Aaron in the playoffs almost every year.

in the presser Shanny did throw down some cover on the 1st round picks they gave up by qualifying that they ended up being pick #29 (for SF), it was somewhat of a weak justification but interesting none the less

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
KS: "we took our shot and it didn't work out, that's on us"

at least Shanny manned up and took ownership for this ginormous error

no doubt, good nuggets in there

KS said, 'there is no developmental league'

that's what TL needs tho, some place he can pass 40 times a game and level up, there is no NFL team that can give him that right now, his floor is too low, he really does need more of a developmental league to level up, it was a massive miscalculation, but we clean up the mess, no wallowing in it, and move on

BUT what the hell were they thinking. Except for a couple posters here, everyone knew trey was a project. Everyone knew he was greener than grass. This roster was ready to win. In what world did they think this was going to work out?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
KS: "we took our shot and it didn't work out, that's on us"

at least Shanny manned up and took ownership for this ginormous error

no doubt, good nuggets in there

KS said, 'there is no developmental league'

that's what TL needs tho, some place he can pass 40 times a game and level up, there is no NFL team that can give him that right now, his floor is too low, he really does need more of a developmental league to level up, it was a massive miscalculation, but we clean up the mess, no wallowing in it, and move on

I"m kind of Glad we have a HC that can man up and make some tough decisions on high round picks. I"d rather have that, than a coach that would keep Trey till 2025 and we're stuck with a developmental QB instead of (possibly) a younger Trey with more experience and development in 2024 through free agency or a late round pick. If Sam does well here, he might be QB2 here for a while. We shall see.

Personally, for QB2, I'd like them to see if they can hit on another Purdy in the draft.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
no doubt, good nuggets in there

KS said, 'there is no developmental league'

that's what TL needs tho, some place he can pass 40 times a game and level up, there is no NFL team that can give him that right now, his floor is too low, he really does need more of a developmental league to level up, it was a massive miscalculation, but we clean up the mess, no wallowing in it, and move on

You are absolutely right. It really doesn't matter how high his ceiling is because his floor was low, perhaps even lower than people expected.
Look I want Lance to succeed, hope he somehow does. And there are a ton of fans out there rooting for him, wanting him to do well, and everyone agrees he needs more reps. I'm sure Lance thought this too. But then why did Lance leave school? Why play one season, then sit out another season, and want to go to the NFL despite not having the reps? So many statistics and evidence that shows the need to have a certain amount of college snaps to be successful in the league. He should have transferred to another school to get those reps. But he didn't, his family friends, agent, told him he would possibly would be a top 10 pick and instead he went to the draft to get paid. Don't get me wrong I'm furious about the trade up, but everyone is holding the Niners accountable for Treys growth. But it's on Trey for deciding against the odds and stats to go to the draft. That's on him. If he fails to develop, he can reflect on his career and probably rue the decision to declare early after a year of not playing.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
KS: "we took our shot and it didn't work out, that's on us"

at least Shanny manned up and took ownership for this ginormous error

no doubt, good nuggets in there

KS said, 'there is no developmental league'

that's what TL needs tho, some place he can pass 40 times a game and level up, there is no NFL team that can give him that right now, his floor is too low, he really does need more of a developmental league to level up, it was a massive miscalculation, but we clean up the mess, no wallowing in it, and move on

BUT what the hell were they thinking. Except for a couple posters here, everyone knew trey was a project. Everyone knew he was greener than grass. This roster was ready to win. In what world did they think this was going to work out?

Those questions were asked in the post game interview. Basically they took their shot, guessed wrong, and wasted a bunch of draft capital. Nothing more complicated than that.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:

Originally posted by pdc20:
Trading him to Dallas, what a weird choice seriously.
They couldn't trade him to an AFC team or a NFC team less "linked" with the Niners?
Might as well keep him.

Yeah I would of only did that for a really high draft pick, but not what will be a really low 4th.

I heard the Bills were interested, and I would of taken their offer even if it was a 5th.

Youd take less value? Interesting.

With that said, I don't see how this helps Trey but there is somewhat of a possibility he could be in competition with Dak if Dak doesn't perform this year. But I doubt Trey could win it. He needed to go to Washington or some place he can start and play with regularity.

To be fair our hit rate in the 5th round is pretty damn good with this front office. 4th rounders at hit or miss

Yup, 5th - UDFA's has to be the best ROI over 7 years compared to every other team. Rounds 1-4? Gotta be one of the very worst.

From a long term point of view, I'd rather hit on late rounds than depend on early rounds. Bosa is an example. What if you pick Bosa, and for the rest of his career you don't pick any earlier than pick #29? Now your team is screwed if the only time you draft well is when you have the top 10 pick in the draft.

But if you hit on late rounders consistently, your team (no matter what record you had the previous year) will always have a good draft, generally speaking.

Thats tough for folks like me who want a Trent Williams level player every draft, but if we can get a Banks or Brendel, that goes a long way to satisfy that number 1 pick draft itch.

Great point.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:

Originally posted by pdc20:
Trading him to Dallas, what a weird choice seriously.
They couldn't trade him to an AFC team or a NFC team less "linked" with the Niners?
Might as well keep him.

Yeah I would of only did that for a really high draft pick, but not what will be a really low 4th.

I heard the Bills were interested, and I would of taken their offer even if it was a 5th.

Youd take less value? Interesting.

With that said, I don't see how this helps Trey but there is somewhat of a possibility he could be in competition with Dak if Dak doesn't perform this year. But I doubt Trey could win it. He needed to go to Washington or some place he can start and play with regularity.

To be fair our hit rate in the 5th round is pretty damn good with this front office. 4th rounders at hit or miss

Yup, 5th - UDFA's has to be the best ROI over 7 years compared to every other team. Rounds 1-4? Gotta be one of the very worst.

From a long term point of view, I'd rather hit on late rounds than depend on early rounds. Bosa is an example. What if you pick Bosa, and for the rest of his career you don't pick any earlier than pick #29? Now your team is screwed if the only time you draft well is when you have the top 10 pick in the draft.

But if you hit on late rounders consistently, your team (no matter what record you had the previous year) will always have a good draft, generally speaking.

Thats tough for folks like me who want a Trent Williams level player every draft, but if we can get a Banks or Brendel, that goes a long way to satisfy that number 1 pick draft itch.

Great point.

Agreed! I would just like to see more focus on the OL.

Originally posted by Rice-a-Ronnie:
You are absolutely right. It really doesn't matter how high his ceiling is because his floor was low, perhaps even lower than people expected.
Look I want Lance to succeed, hope he somehow does. And there are a ton of fans out there rooting for him, wanting him to do well, and everyone agrees he needs more reps. I'm sure Lance thought this too. But then why did Lance leave school? Why play one season, then sit out another season, and want to go to the NFL despite not having the reps? So many statistics and evidence that shows the need to have a certain amount of college snaps to be successful in the league. He should have transferred to another school to get those reps. But he didn't, his family friends, agent, told him he would possibly would be a top 10 pick and instead he went to the draft to get paid. Don't get me wrong I'm furious about the trade up, but everyone is holding the Niners accountable for Treys growth. But it's on Trey for deciding against the odds and stats to go to the draft. That's on him.

In terms of the leaving school, he had $34m reasons why, I would guess his team told him he's locked in as an early round NFL prospect, and to declare. Hey, if I had $34m I probably would want to get it too, rather than put it at risk, now why was he evaluated that highly? great question, but the draft does this, we saw it with Wilson also, very overhyped

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
in the presser Shanny did throw down some cover on the 1st round picks they gave up by qualifying that they ended up being pick #29 (for SF), it was somewhat of a weak justification but interesting none the less

To me, pick #29 isn't that much better than a 2nd round pick. The first round, really ends in my opinion, after the first 10 picks in the draft -- after that, it's sorta kinda like the 2nd round by then (in a sense). Top 10 picks are supposed to be generational talents. Players that can reach the Hall of Fame level in their careers.

To me, that kind of shows you how much of a crapshoot the NFL draft is.

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:

Originally posted by pdc20:
Trading him to Dallas, what a weird choice seriously.
They couldn't trade him to an AFC team or a NFC team less "linked" with the Niners?
Might as well keep him.

Yeah I would of only did that for a really high draft pick, but not what will be a really low 4th.

I heard the Bills were interested, and I would of taken their offer even if it was a 5th.

Youd take less value? Interesting.

With that said, I don't see how this helps Trey but there is somewhat of a possibility he could be in competition with Dak if Dak doesn't perform this year. But I doubt Trey could win it. He needed to go to Washington or some place he can start and play with regularity.

To be fair our hit rate in the 5th round is pretty damn good with this front office. 4th rounders at hit or miss

Yup, 5th - UDFA's has to be the best ROI over 7 years compared to every other team. Rounds 1-4? Gotta be one of the very worst.

From a long term point of view, I'd rather hit on late rounds than depend on early rounds. Bosa is an example. What if you pick Bosa, and for the rest of his career you don't pick any earlier than pick #29? Now your team is screwed if the only time you draft well is when you have the top 10 pick in the draft.

But if you hit on late rounders consistently, your team (no matter what record you had the previous year) will always have a good draft, generally speaking.

Thats tough for folks like me who want a Trent Williams level player every draft, but if we can get a Banks or Brendel, that goes a long way to satisfy that number 1 pick draft itch.

Great point.

Agreed! I would just like to see more focus on the OL.

Me too. I thought they would have atleast drafted some depth in the 3rd round but instead selected a kicker. I will be NC level disappointed if their 2024 draft isn't heavily focused on the o line.