Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
You're making things up now.

it's already fact we wanted him to stay, Trey requested the trade

Yea all the moves we made, all the reporting around us being effectively done with him… the fact that the player has no leverage of any kind. Feel free to believe we're paying 60 percent of his salary over the next two years to play for another team because he wanted it and we didn't. Lol.

Make believe

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
If we did we would be talking about this trade back then, not now.

No. Because we probably wanted more earlier and when we didn't get it, we got a look at his improvement in camp.

If we didn't want to trade him, he'd be here still. This is mutual at best or one sided in that we wanted him gone.

You're making things up now.

it's already fact we wanted him to stay, Trey requested the trade

There's 6 million reasons and a 🐻 that makes me think we didn't actually want him to stay

Originally posted by mattster03:
There's 6 million reasons and a 🐻 that makes me think we didn't actually want him to stay

Zero chance we did.

*Though I wouldn't connect it to Bosa's contract individually.

Originally posted by mattster03:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
If we did we would be talking about this trade back then, not now.

No. Because we probably wanted more earlier and when we didn't get it, we got a look at his improvement in camp.

If we didn't want to trade him, he'd be here still. This is mutual at best or one sided in that we wanted him gone.

You're making things up now.

it's already fact we wanted him to stay, Trey requested the trade

There's 6 million reasons and a 🐻 that makes me think we didn't actually want him to stay

Bosa new contract would take effect next season.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's been Trey's kryptonite. Health. But for his lack of durability - he'd be QB1 today. 17 games (maybe even 20 games) is a long season to where durability becomes as important as talent in a lot of cases. That's also been Kyle's kryptonite - getting durable players, specially on the QB position for the 49ers. Hope that injury bug nest has been fumigated. I hope somehow the 49er talent evaluations have really factored durability into the scouting reports from here on in - in a much more detailed and robust way than when Trey was drafted. Draft is a crapshoot, but if you have durable players, they have a shot at developing even if they aren't the most talented players at draft time. Brendel being an example.

Idk how you'd evaluate durability, a lot of it is luck. I guess you can question guys on how to protect yourself better. Brock played nearly 50 games in college and didn't miss any, then that freak UCL injury. Trey never had injuries in college or high school. I think it's more our play style, so physical - opens the door to injuries at a higher rate.

AGree 💯% that it's a luck factor. However, as you said - you look at college and see if they have been injured etc... I"m not purview to how they scout, but I would think conditioning is a factor (at least mentally speaking) I.e. you can ask how they keep in shape, take care of their bodies, or their strength and conditioning routines in the offseason. Those are just stuff off the top of my head. I'm sure the scouts working with the trainers and the doctors can come up with something better. Point being, they take an effort to guess better on a guy's durability come draft time.

Stupidest draft pick of all time

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Lance left because he didn't want to be a backup, I doubt a new city would change his feelings

Don't like the idea that people are going to blame the kid for wanting out. That may very well be true, but don't get it twisted, we wanted to ship his ass out of here. Tried to do it months ago and set the QB room up for life without Trey. We wanted him gone is the reason he's gone.

I think theyve been tryin to get his value up. What screwed it all up was the report that he was QB3, I bet the team was upset that got out. Doesn't seem like they planned on that at all. A lot of damage control the last few days.

Which report, the most recent one a couple of days ago?

they planned something with announcing no decision will be made until week 1, but telling only trey the next day

Sounds like Kyle changed his mind Tuesday night about waiting to tell anyone, including Trey. He knew he had made he decision, wanted to hold off on telling the QBs, but then concluded that wasn't fair to Lance to just not tell him when he had in fact decided. That's the kind of straightforward approach with players that sucks in the immediate when its bad news for the player but in the long run gains the respect of players as there's no mysteries. Players want to know were they stand, for good or ill, so they can make educated decisions about their careers.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Lance left because he didn't want to be a backup, I doubt a new city would change his feelings

Don't like the idea that people are going to blame the kid for wanting out. That may very well be true, but don't get it twisted, we wanted to ship his ass out of here. Tried to do it months ago and set the QB room up for life without Trey. We wanted him gone is the reason he's gone.

I think theyve been tryin to get his value up. What screwed it all up was the report that he was QB3, I bet the team was upset that got out. Doesn't seem like they planned on that at all. A lot of damage control the last few days.

Which report, the most recent one a couple of days ago?

they planned something with announcing no decision will be made until week 1, but telling only trey the next day

Sounds like Kyle changed his mind Tuesday night about waiting to tell anyone, including Trey. He knew he had made he decision, wanted to hold off on telling the QBs, but then concluded that wasn't fair to Lance to just not tell him when he had in fact decided. That's the kind of straightforward approach with players that sucks in the immediate when it's bad news for the player but in the long run gains the respect of players as there's no mysteries. Players want to know were they stand, for good or ill, so they can make educated decisions about their careers.

Kyle has done this before. Lance didn't like it and came in the next morning upset and sped up Kyle's decision probably

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by q0c0p:
It's simple. Kyle and the team wanted him to stay but trey didnt want to be here anymore. So who let who down? Who betrayed who? From my view it seems the team did trey a solid. They didnt have to trade him, they wanted him. Trey didnt want to be here. Just let this thread die or lock it now. He isnt even on the team. He didnt want to be here and now hes on our arch enemy. We dont need to root for this dude

Yeah, that's my read of it too. Once Trey didn't get the QB2 position, he wanted out. I'm also sure that Trey knows Purdy is going to be the QB1 here for a long time and won't be surpassing him (if ever) for a good half decade with Brock's game. At least in Dallas, Trey has time to develop, they wanted him, and I think once Trey reaches his potential, he'll be able to take the QB1 position from Dak.

Dak's a probowl calibur QB who's only 30, he's probably not going anywhere. Trey's probably only going to be a backup in this league as long as he grows a thicker skin. He'll probably not develop under M.McCarthy, especially when he couldn't under Kyle Shanahan.

I genuinely think he can be another Aaron Rodgers/Steve Young. Potentially. Now if he's not as mentally tough as Steve and Aaron and develops himself - nobody else can do it - then I'd be disappointed. McKarthy, Schottenhimer, and Tolzien are good coaches. McKarthy is actually the one that helped Aaron develop, so it's a good situation for Trey from a coaching standpoint. McKarthy's offense is very west coast timing like Kyle's but not as run heavy. If anybody can develop Trey it would be these guys. Keep in mind Trey asked for the Trade, Kyle wanted him to stay.

Aaron Rodgers 🤪🤪🤪 based on what?!?

Originally posted by Shorteous:
Aaron Rodgers 🤪🤪🤪 based on what?!?

Arm strength. Aaron wasn't a finished product coming out of cal either, I clearly remember he struggled . And then he changed his mechanics and the rest is history after 4 years of sitting. People really be acting like trey won't improve with a proper development.

Originally posted by Bangbang89:
Arm strength. Aaron wasn't a finished product coming out of cal either, I clearly remember he struggled . And then he changed his mechanics and the rest is history after 4 years of sitting. People really be acting like trey won't improve with a proper development.

He improved his mechanics. He was a machine at Cal. He stopped holding the ball up around his dome Ted Tedford style and tweaked things.

Of him and Alex, he was the pro ready prospect.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
You're making things up now.

it's already fact we wanted him to stay, Trey requested the trade

Yea all the moves we made, all the reporting around us being effectively done with him… the fact that the player has no leverage of any kind. Feel free to believe we're paying 60 percent of his salary over the next two years to play for another team because he wanted it and we didn't. Lol.

who's paying 60% of Trey's salary over the next two years?

Originally posted by Bangbang89:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
Aaron Rodgers 🤪🤪🤪 based on what?!?

Arm strength. Aaron wasn't a finished product coming out of cal either, I clearly remember he struggled . And then he changed his mechanics and the rest is history after 4 years of sitting. People really be acting like trey won't improve with a proper development.

If Trey doesn't have patience to sit and develop, then no, he won't improve