Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
So he's gonna be the 3rd stringer on the Cowboys as well?

Yup, at least for this year. They have dak making $60M next year against the cap, they resigned Cooper rush this off season to a two year deal. Then they trey'ded for Trey and owe him $6M over the next two years. Strange situation, idk what their plan is - they're the complete opposite of us, super expensive qb room. Lol

dak Gets hurts for a couple games each year the last few years, but cooper rush has went 5-1 in those games. So I don't think there is an urgency to replace him, especially since they gave him a 2 year deal (I think $5M deal this off season).

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by genus49:

Trey tried to fight for his spot and I'm not sure he ever got a real shot at it. I don't have any issue with him asking to be traded considering the team never fully supported him and even when they named him QB1 last year they hedged their bets by bringing Jimmy back.

I disagree. The team gave him every opportunity considering the team was competing for the Super Bowl when he was drafted. It was a good situation for him to sit and learn for a year before facing live bullets. Bringing JG back was a wise move that protected the overall interests of the team, especially considering Lance had been injured. JG accepted the backup role with grace.

In the end, it was just a bad match overall.

It's ok to disagree but it's pretty evident from all accounts and the results that they weren't sold on Trey for long if ever.

They gave him the reigns last season but kept Jimmy around to hedge their bet with Trey.

It's hard for a young kid to win over the locker room when the team keeps the guy who battled and won and bonded with that locker room. You saw articles before even week 1 saying how if Trey struggles they will go with Jimmy.

Thats not a way to fully support your guy. Look at what the Patriots did with Mac Jones. They got rid of Cam Newton and made sure Jones could play loose and not worry about the proven vet behind him.

It is what it is and I don't get wtf we were thinking but they definitely didn't help Trey feel like they were 100% behind him as their guy.

Clearly last season, the plan was for Trey to be the starter, so they tried to trade Jimmy. But Trey's lack of development gave the team no choice but to get Jimmy back last minute. That was on Trey. He wasn't ready at all.

Whether it was on Trey or not that's not fully supporting the kid.

His issue was the finger injury messing up his mechanics. Just look at the jump he made this offseason in that regard.

He's off the team now so it doesn't matter any more but at no point did the team provide an opportunity for Trey to start and not feel like he has to be perfect to keep his job. That's not fully supporting the kid and that's a terrible way to develop a guy with limited experience.

Which takes me back to…WTF were we thinking???

I always gave them credit for going for it but you can't make that move and then tie the kids shoelaces together then see how he does.

watched that compilation of all of Trey's run and passes in college....then watched all of trey's 2021 preseason stuff, then his 2022 preseason stuff and of course this 2023 preseason.

There is not much growth....

Just watching that video of all his run and passes in college against clearly small football players....boggles the mind. That was so clearly a weak league, and we drafted a dude that was a FB that can pass some. Dude was lowering his shoulder into what looks like 200-210 pound linebackers... It looks closer to HS ball than it does to the SEC.

Take 10m out of your day and watch Utah Alex smith vs College Trey..... They might as well be playing two different sports.... that is coming from a dude who probably has 1k dont draft Alex Smith posts on this forum. I am glad I never watched that stuff around that draft, I would have been ticked for the last 2 years.

I am guessing Trey is not a learn on the fly guy and has been too injured in his NFL career to even be developed.

You can say...."At no point did the team provide an opportunity", but that only begs the question....When?

They installed "trey packages" year one to make sure Trey got on the field. Trey broke his finger and went though the whole "arm fatigue" period of his career until he had off season surgery going into year 2. They made him the undisputed starter going into year 2, he broke his ankle game 2 and missed the whole season. They got him reps this year, and he looks very similar to year 1....very little growth .....

Dude has not been healthy....that is not on the 49ers, they provided opportunity, he just cant stay on the field and the dude needs a ton of practice still.

Originally posted by Dshearn:
watched that compilation of all of Trey's run and passes in college....then watched all of trey's 2021 preseason stuff, then his 2022 preseason stuff and of course this 2023 preseason.

There is not much growth....

Just watching that video of all his run and passes in college against clearly small football players....boggles the mind. That was so clearly a weak league, and we drafted a dude that was a FB that can pass some. Dude was lowering his shoulder into what looks like 200-210 pound linebackers... It looks closer to HS ball than it does to the SEC.

Take 10m out of your day and watch Utah Alex smith vs College Trey..... They might as well be playing two different sports.... that is coming from a dude who probably has 1k dont draft Alex Smith posts on this forum. I am glad I never watched that stuff around that draft, I would have been ticked for the last 2 years.

I am guessing Trey is not a learn on the fly guy and has been too injured in his NFL career to even be developed.

You can say...."At no point did the team provide an opportunity", but that only begs the question....When?

They installed "trey packages" year one to make sure Trey got on the field. Trey broke his finger and went though the whole "arm fatigue" period of his career until he had off season surgery going into year 2. They made him the undisputed starter going into year 2, he broke his ankle game 2 and missed the whole season. They got him reps this year, and he looks very similar to year 1....very little growth .....

Dude has not been healthy....that is not on the 49ers, they provided opportunity, he just cant stay on the field and the dude needs a ton of practice still.

I did watch his film, before and after, we drafted him… never understood the hype. I kept feeling like I was crazy - like what am I missing? I'm not a football genius but I've always been fascinated with QBs and feel like I'm good at evaluating them, I still can't figure out why we drafted Trey. i really do partially blame Josh allen. Lol Josh allen was a much better prospect but he is one of those rare guys that came in raw and drastically improved in parts of his games that historically guys never materially improve upon. I think that made people think it's easy, which it isn't. Josh allen is an elite qb.

the cowboys reportedly had a second round grade on Lance, id be curious to hear what other teams had him as.

im really not upset that we made that trade and selected a QB in the top 3, I like the fact that our organization is bold and willing to take big chances - especially at the most important position in sports, but it's disappointing that they selected Trey.

If it was 2017/2018, I'd get it - we weren't good and he can just play. See what happens, but we essentially went and drafted a guy that was big and strong playing at the YMCA. He would be inexperienced & raw on most good high school football programs RIGHT NOW.

i really thought the idea of drafting trey was a joke leading up to the draft. I thought it was super clear that it was fields or jones, and I thought fields had elite mobility and a lot of upside once his passing game got tuned up.

oh well! It happened, nothing we can do now. Just a frustrating three years.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
So he's gonna be the 3rd stringer on the Cowboys as well?

Yup, at least for this year. They have dak making $60M next year against the cap, they resigned Cooper rush this off season to a two year deal. Then they trey'ded for Trey and owe him $6M over the next two years. Strange situation, idk what their plan is - they're the complete opposite of us, super expensive qb room. Lol

dak Gets hurts for a couple games each year the last few years, but cooper rush has went 5-1 in those games. So I don't think there is an urgency to replace him, especially since they gave him a 2 year deal (I think $5M deal this off season).

Watched a lot of that Grier guy last night...I did not realize that was the WV Touch Down Jesus guy....

I am guessing they want ARM in Dallas, Grier is closer to an unrefined Cooper Rush with more mobility, hence bringing in Lance.

That Grier dude tho....he has Elite touch in that 20-30 yard range... tons of deep touch passes in college and the NFL, He actually looks like Shanny QB. If he had a tad more velocity he would be unstoppable.

Will Grier 2018-19 Highlights || West Virginia QB || "Touchdown Jesus" || ᴴᴰ=LGeib5RjPz7MI_Bu

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
So he's gonna be the 3rd stringer on the Cowboys as well?

Yup, at least for this year. They have dak making $60M next year against the cap, they resigned Cooper rush this off season to a two year deal. Then they trey'ded for Trey and owe him $6M over the next two years. Strange situation, idk what their plan is - they're the complete opposite of us, super expensive qb room. Lol

dak Gets hurts for a couple games each year the last few years, but cooper rush has went 5-1 in those games. So I don't think there is an urgency to replace him, especially since they gave him a 2 year deal (I think $5M deal this off season).

Watched a lot of that Grier guy last night...I did not realize that was the WV Touch Down Jesus guy....

I am guessing they want ARM in Dallas, Grier is closer to an unrefined Cooper Rush with more mobility, hence bringing in Lance.

That Grier dude tho....he has Elite touch in that 20-30 yard range... tons of deep touch passes in college and the NFL, He actually looks like Shanny QB. If he had a tad more velocity he would be unstoppable.

Will Grier 2018-19 Highlights || West Virginia QB || "Touchdown Jesus" || ᴴᴰ=LGeib5RjPz7MI_Bu

I'm curious if we give him a go, at worst sign him to the PA - even if we keep Allen on the 53. Just have a stable of backups incase we get injuries.

Brandon allen didn't play too well in the final game, so I question if we are going to spend a roster spot on him now. Maybe just have a guy on the practice squad and try to keep another position deep. I'd probably do that, I know what happened last year but this isn't the playoffs - so I wouldn't waste a roster spot this early in the season on a backup qb, just leave him on the practice squad.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
So he's gonna be the 3rd stringer on the Cowboys as well?

Yup, at least for this year. They have dak making $60M next year against the cap, they resigned Cooper rush this off season to a two year deal. Then they trey'ded for Trey and owe him $6M over the next two years. Strange situation, idk what their plan is - they're the complete opposite of us, super expensive qb room. Lol

dak Gets hurts for a couple games each year the last few years, but cooper rush has went 5-1 in those games. So I don't think there is an urgency to replace him, especially since they gave him a 2 year deal (I think $5M deal this off season).

Watched a lot of that Grier guy last night...I did not realize that was the WV Touch Down Jesus guy....

I am guessing they want ARM in Dallas, Grier is closer to an unrefined Cooper Rush with more mobility, hence bringing in Lance.

That Grier dude tho....he has Elite touch in that 20-30 yard range... tons of deep touch passes in college and the NFL, He actually looks like Shanny QB. If he had a tad more velocity he would be unstoppable.

Will Grier 2018-19 Highlights || West Virginia QB || "Touchdown Jesus" || ᴴᴰ=LGeib5RjPz7MI_Bu

I'm curious if we give him a go, at worst sign him to the PA - even if we keep Allen on the 53. Just have a stable of backups incase we get injuries.

Brandon allen didn't play too well in the final game, so I question if we are going to spend a roster spot on him now. Maybe just have a guy on the practice squad and try to keep another position deep. I'd probably do that, I know what happened last year but this isn't the playoffs - so I wouldn't waste a roster spot this early in the season on a backup qb, just leave him on the practice squad.

I think qb3 is free now and does not count against the 53.

We keep hearing they like Allen, not that us fans have seen why yet....

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'm curious if we give him a go, at worst sign him to the PA - even if we keep Allen on the 53. Just have a stable of backups incase we get injuries.

Brandon allen didn't play too well in the final game, so I question if we are going to spend a roster spot on him now. Maybe just have a guy on the practice squad and try to keep another position deep. I'd probably do that, I know what happened last year but this isn't the playoffs - so I wouldn't waste a roster spot this early in the season on a backup qb, just leave him on the practice squad.

I don't think anyone thinks he'd stick on the PS without someone signing him to their 53.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by genus49:

Trey tried to fight for his spot and I'm not sure he ever got a real shot at it. I don't have any issue with him asking to be traded considering the team never fully supported him and even when they named him QB1 last year they hedged their bets by bringing Jimmy back.

I disagree. The team gave him every opportunity considering the team was competing for the Super Bowl when he was drafted. It was a good situation for him to sit and learn for a year before facing live bullets. Bringing JG back was a wise move that protected the overall interests of the team, especially considering Lance had been injured. JG accepted the backup role with grace.

In the end, it was just a bad match overall.

It's ok to disagree but it's pretty evident from all accounts and the results that they weren't sold on Trey for long if ever.

They gave him the reigns last season but kept Jimmy around to hedge their bet with Trey.

It's hard for a young kid to win over the locker room when the team keeps the guy who battled and won and bonded with that locker room. You saw articles before even week 1 saying how if Trey struggles they will go with Jimmy.

Thats not a way to fully support your guy. Look at what the Patriots did with Mac Jones. They got rid of Cam Newton and made sure Jones could play loose and not worry about the proven vet behind him.

It is what it is and I don't get wtf we were thinking but they definitely didn't help Trey feel like they were 100% behind him as their guy.

Clearly last season, the plan was for Trey to be the starter, so they tried to trade Jimmy. But Trey's lack of development gave the team no choice but to get Jimmy back last minute. That was on Trey. He wasn't ready at all.

Whether it was on Trey or not that's not fully supporting the kid.

His issue was the finger injury messing up his mechanics. Just look at the jump he made this offseason in that regard.

He's off the team now so it doesn't matter any more but at no point did the team provide an opportunity for Trey to start and not feel like he has to be perfect to keep his job. That's not fully supporting the kid and that's a terrible way to develop a guy with limited experience.

Which takes me back to…WTF were we thinking???

I always gave them credit for going for it but you can't make that move and then tie the kids shoelaces together then see how he does.

He had the whole offseason last season to show his development. However, the lack of improvement (or not enough of an improvement) gave Kyle no choice but to bring Jimmy back. That was completely on Trey.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
Ryan Leaf accuracy right here

4ML is off burning sage somewhere right now to cleanse the evil spirits.

I feel bad for the folks that were super psyched about Lance. I always thought he'd be a longshot because of his inexperience and that he had to do little in that offense but be another cog in a title winning machine but a lot of scouts also seemed to like him considerably and his upside. With the injuries and other issues, it just never worked out for him here.

lol I am def. disappointed. But, I don't think 49ers gave him a real shot and I don't think it is all their fault either. He hurt his hand year 1 and broke his ankle year 2. I do think there were ppl in the organization who didn't want him and when everyone is not rowing in the same direction - it becomes even harder to be successful.

Regardless, he is in Dallas now. I hate them b***hes. I'll root for his success just bc I think he's a good guy. But, in the end - f**k cowboys.

Originally posted by 4ML:
lol I am def. disappointed. But, I don't think 49ers gave him a real shot and I don't think it is all their fault either. He hurt his hand year 1 and broke his ankle year 2. I do think there were ppl in the organization who didn't want him and when everyone is not rowing in the same direction - it becomes even harder to be successful.

Regardless, he is in Dallas now. I hate them b***hes. I'll root for his success just bc I think he's a good guy. But, in the end - f**k cowboys.

well if it is any consolation you had a couple hundred prayers for your mentall health the last 48 hours I am sure.

If it helps any just remember Trey's agent got the trade offers for Trey...not the 49ers....he would probably be here at least until next season if it was up to them.

Originally posted by Dshearn:
I think qb3 is free now and does not count against the 53.

We keep hearing they like Allen, not that us fans have seen why yet....

no, it isn't free. so in order to use the emergency QB3 rule - the third QB has to be part of your 53 man roster from my understanding. but you don't have to have them active on game day - you just designate them as the emergency QB. so you have to have them count against the final 53 man roster.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
So he's gonna be the 3rd stringer on the Cowboys as well?

Yup, at least for this year. They have dak making $60M next year against the cap, they resigned Cooper rush this off season to a two year deal. Then they trey'ded for Trey and owe him $6M over the next two years. Strange situation, idk what their plan is - they're the complete opposite of us, super expensive qb room. Lol

dak Gets hurts for a couple games each year the last few years, but cooper rush has went 5-1 in those games. So I don't think there is an urgency to replace him, especially since they gave him a 2 year deal (I think $5M deal this off season).

Watched a lot of that Grier guy last night...I did not realize that was the WV Touch Down Jesus guy....

I am guessing they want ARM in Dallas, Grier is closer to an unrefined Cooper Rush with more mobility, hence bringing in Lance.

That Grier dude tho....he has Elite touch in that 20-30 yard range... tons of deep touch passes in college and the NFL, He actually looks like Shanny QB. If he had a tad more velocity he would be unstoppable.

Will Grier 2018-19 Highlights || West Virginia QB || "Touchdown Jesus" || ᴴᴰ=LGeib5RjPz7MI_Bu

They should've just given the 9ers that 4th round pick and Grier. Could've stashed him away on the PS for the season.

Originally posted by 4ML:
lol I am def. disappointed. But, I don't think 49ers gave him a real shot and I don't think it is all their fault either. He hurt his hand year 1 and broke his ankle year 2. I do think there were ppl in the organization who didn't want him and when everyone is not rowing in the same direction - it becomes even harder to be successful.

Regardless, he is in Dallas now. I hate them b***hes. I'll root for his success just bc I think he's a good guy. But, in the end - f**k cowboys.

LMAO same man. I was disappointed he went to the Cowboys because I was looking forward to following him and supporting him, but I just can't. lol his success is my enemies success. once he leaves the cowboys, I'll be happy and rooting for him again.

I kinda wish he went to the Bills, Giants, Minn, or ATL.
bills - would of been cool for him to learn from Josh Allen and that system, similar skill sets.
Giants - The person who molded Allen is Brian Daboll, HC of the Giants right now. He's the real QB guru in this league right now, would of been helpful for Trey.
Minn - Cousins is most likely gone next year and its his hometown.
Atl - Cool jerseys and they would be able to give him a shot sooner than later, he can play in live games without the expectations.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by 4ML:
lol I am def. disappointed. But, I don't think 49ers gave him a real shot and I don't think it is all their fault either. He hurt his hand year 1 and broke his ankle year 2. I do think there were ppl in the organization who didn't want him and when everyone is not rowing in the same direction - it becomes even harder to be successful.

Regardless, he is in Dallas now. I hate them b***hes. I'll root for his success just bc I think he's a good guy. But, in the end - f**k cowboys.

well if it is any consolation you had a couple hundred prayers for your mentall health the last 48 hours I am sure.

If it helps any just remember Trey's agent got the trade offers for Trey...not the 49ers....he would probably be here at least until next season if it was up to them.

Lol oh I'm sure of that. Ppl are really nice here.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by 4ML:
lol I am def. disappointed. But, I don't think 49ers gave him a real shot and I don't think it is all their fault either. He hurt his hand year 1 and broke his ankle year 2. I do think there were ppl in the organization who didn't want him and when everyone is not rowing in the same direction - it becomes even harder to be successful.

Regardless, he is in Dallas now. I hate them b***hes. I'll root for his success just bc I think he's a good guy. But, in the end - f**k cowboys.

well if it is any consolation you had a couple hundred prayers for your mentall health the last 48 hours I am sure.

If it helps any just remember Trey's agent got the trade offers for Trey...not the 49ers....he would probably be here at least until next season if it was up to them.

Lol oh I'm sure of that. Ppl are really nice here.

Who isn't nice here? The locker room vibes has been consistently good under the Kyle regime. Players are not going to look down on Trey just because he got demoted from QB1 all the way to QB3.