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Aug 27, 2023 at 2:46 PM
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by eric_anthony:
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He had no chance to beat out Darnold because there wasn't a competition. They've been off Trey for a min. He was clearly the better player than Darnold in camp and preseason.
Lance was QB1 in OTAs. When Brock returned, Lance was QB2

he's been here for 3 camps now, he's had plenty of chances

They alternated Lance and Darnold every practice whether QB1 without Brock being there or QB2 with Brock there.

Kyle also explicitly said OTAs weren't part of the "competition"

I also don't buy for a second that Darnold really beat out Trey. They decided Brock is the guy and didn't want fans clamoring for another guy should there be a rough patch and knew they would get some cap relief next year and could get more value for Trey vs Darnold.

We saw what a QB2 Sam Darnold looked like Friday night.

If you're gonna go the conspiracy theory route, IMHO the more reasonable one is that Darnold's natural tendencies favor a scheme more similar to what Brock's favor.
Aug 27, 2023 at 2:54 PM
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Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
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he's been here for 3 camps now, he's had plenty of chances

They alternated Lance and Darnold every practice whether QB1 without Brock being there or QB2 with Brock there.

Kyle also explicitly said OTAs weren't part of the "competition"

I also don't buy for a second that Darnold really beat out Trey. They decided Brock is the guy and didn't want fans clamoring for another guy should there be a rough patch and knew they would get some cap relief next year and could get more value for Trey vs Darnold.

We saw what a QB2 Sam Darnold looked like Friday night.

If you're gonna go the conspiracy theory route, IMHO the more reasonable one is that Darnold's natural tendencies favor a scheme more similar to what Brock's favor.

That is the real bottom line here. Kyle wants his back up to be able to walk straight in and use the plays he designed for the game at hand if Brock went out for a game or two or three. There will be the least disruption. With Lance he did not have a quick release passing game. In the short game he had to run too much which would become too predictable and make him prone to further injury. He could land longish throws okay but he needed more then that. Kyle wanted plug and play. Trey does not fit the socket.
Aug 27, 2023 at 3:11 PM
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The thing is that in the NFL the future is always one play away. I watched a QB for Carlsbad chew up Mater Dei last night. He's committed to Alabama next year. He can run and pass like Caleb Williams but maybe even better. Maybe 4 years from now the Niners can draft him.

Julian sayin?

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Julian Sayin? More like Julian SAIYAN amirite.
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Aug 27, 2023 at 3:14 PM
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The thing is that in the NFL the future is always one play away. I watched a QB for Carlsbad chew up Mater Dei last night. He's committed to Alabama next year. He can run and pass like Caleb Williams but maybe even better. Maybe 4 years from now the Niners can draft him.

Julian sayin?


Julian Sayin? More like Julian SAIYAN amirite.
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hahaha if I'm being honest, that was the first thing I thought of when I read his name. lol
Aug 27, 2023 at 3:16 PM
Originally posted by JTB1974:
People keep saying it was never personal with Trey but yet here they are still trashing him 4 days after he was traded when he has done nothing but handle everything with class since he was drafted. It's pretty embarrassing. I still think among some(not all) that race played a part in their hatred and part of it also is they blame him for Jimmy no longer being here. Now I think with some it's the trade up and what they invested but then that hate should be directed at Kyle and John, Not Trey. But yet Kyle and John are getting no blame and even getting praise.

I said since Kyle drafted him that he, John, and Trey are joint at the hip. The one can't look bad without the other. If Trey fails, Kyle and John fail. This was their guy. But it's like alot of Niner fans are distancing Trey from the people who drafted him.

Welcome to the Webzone. It took a decade and a nearly amputed leg before people stopped sh'ng on Alex.

Here's the reality. People want to be right. Whether it's on Alex, Kap, Lance, Purdy people will praise/ bash pending which they side they fall on then follow their careers trying to prove they were correct. Get use to it because it's only just begun.
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Aug 27, 2023 at 3:23 PM
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by JTB1974:
People keep saying it was never personal with Trey but yet here they are still trashing him 4 days after he was traded when he has done nothing but handle everything with class since he was drafted. It's pretty embarrassing. I still think among some(not all) that race played a part in their hatred and part of it also is they blame him for Jimmy no longer being here. Now I think with some it's the trade up and what they invested but then that hate should be directed at Kyle and John, Not Trey. But yet Kyle and John are getting no blame and even getting praise.

I said since Kyle drafted him that he, John, and Trey are joint at the hip. The one can't look bad without the other. If Trey fails, Kyle and John fail. This was their guy. But it's like alot of Niner fans are distancing Trey from the people who drafted him.

Welcome to the Webzone. It took a decade and a nearly amputed leg before people stopped sh'ng on Alex.

Here's the reality. People want to be right. Whether it's on Alex, Kap, Lance, Purdy people will praise/ bash pending which they side they fall on then follow their careers trying to prove they were correct. Get use to it because it's only just begun.

Did race played a part in their hatred toward Alex?
[ Edited by libertyforever on Aug 27, 2023 at 3:24 PM ]
Aug 27, 2023 at 3:24 PM
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Lol. Yes this will end well.


Exactly why the cowboys are f**ked as long as Jerry is running the show, lol.
Aug 27, 2023 at 3:25 PM
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Lol. Yes this will end well.


Exactly why the cowboys are f**ked as long as Jerry is running the show, lol.

LMAO. I Love it but actually feel bad for Trey. we will have to see how it plays out but I think it would of been better for him to stay this year. That or I'd be pissed I didn't go to Buffalo if I was him. lol
Aug 27, 2023 at 3:27 PM
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Lol. Yes this will end well.


Exactly why the cowboys are f**ked as long as Jerry is running the show, lol.

LMAO. I Love it but actually feel bad for Trey. we will have to see how it plays out but I think it would of been better for him to stay this year. That or I'd be pissed I didn't go to Buffalo if I was him. lol

Well, Jerry Jones can instruct to play Trey in certain packages. Mike McCarthy would have to do that if he still wants the job.
Aug 27, 2023 at 3:33 PM
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
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Exactly why the cowboys are f**ked as long as Jerry is running the show, lol.

LMAO. I Love it but actually feel bad for Trey. we will have to see how it plays out but I think it would of been better for him to stay this year. That or I'd be pissed I didn't go to Buffalo if I was him. lol

Well, Jerry Jones can instruct to play Trey in certain packages. Mike McCarthy would have to do that if he still wants the job.

sounds like an awful place to coach. lol I do think they'll try to incorporate Trey in packages like what the Saints did with Taysum Hill. I thought if we kept him, kyle would do that too.
Aug 27, 2023 at 3:44 PM
Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by genus49:
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They alternated Lance and Darnold every practice whether QB1 without Brock being there or QB2 with Brock there.

Kyle also explicitly said OTAs weren't part of the "competition"

I also don't buy for a second that Darnold really beat out Trey. They decided Brock is the guy and didn't want fans clamoring for another guy should there be a rough patch and knew they would get some cap relief next year and could get more value for Trey vs Darnold.

We saw what a QB2 Sam Darnold looked like Friday night.

If you're gonna go the conspiracy theory route, IMHO the more reasonable one is that Darnold's natural tendencies favor a scheme more similar to what Brock's favor.

That is the real bottom line here. Kyle wants his back up to be able to walk straight in and use the plays he designed for the game at hand if Brock went out for a game or two or three. There will be the least disruption. With Lance he did not have a quick release passing game. In the short game he had to run too much which would become too predictable and make him prone to further injury. He could land longish throws okay but he needed more then that. Kyle wanted plug and play. Trey does not fit the socket.

Issue with that is Darnold's tendencies are turnovers and the offense all QBs have been running in camp has been the same. Not like they had Lance doing his own thing and you'll be hard pressed to find any reporter even if they were biased against Trey to say Darnold pulled away with this thing.

Kyle can always play the "they don't know what they're looking at" card but I think they simply wanted to go with Brock and clear any roadblocks from him being the guy all the way while also clearing cap and getting a pick in return.
Aug 27, 2023 at 3:46 PM
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by tankle104:
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LMAO. I Love it but actually feel bad for Trey. we will have to see how it plays out but I think it would of been better for him to stay this year. That or I'd be pissed I didn't go to Buffalo if I was him. lol

Well, Jerry Jones can instruct to play Trey in certain packages. Mike McCarthy would have to do that if he still wants the job.

sounds like an awful place to coach. lol I do think they'll try to incorporate Trey in packages like what the Saints did with Taysum Hill. I thought if we kept him, kyle would do that too.

Yes. Absolutely awful place to coach. Reminds me of the Baalke and Tomsula year. Tomsula was like Baalke's puppy.
Aug 27, 2023 at 4:09 PM
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
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If you're gonna go the conspiracy theory route, IMHO the more reasonable one is that Darnold's natural tendencies favor a scheme more similar to what Brock's favor.

That is the real bottom line here. Kyle wants his back up to be able to walk straight in and use the plays he designed for the game at hand if Brock went out for a game or two or three. There will be the least disruption. With Lance he did not have a quick release passing game. In the short game he had to run too much which would become too predictable and make him prone to further injury. He could land longish throws okay but he needed more then that. Kyle wanted plug and play. Trey does not fit the socket.

Issue with that is Darnold's tendencies are turnovers and the offense all QBs have been running in camp has been the same. Not like they had Lance doing his own thing and you'll be hard pressed to find any reporter even if they were biased against Trey to say Darnold pulled away with this thing.

Kyle can always play the "they don't know what they're looking at" card but I think they simply wanted to go with Brock and clear any roadblocks from him being the guy all the way while also clearing cap and getting a pick in return.
Kyle's offensive scheme has defined read. Whatever the defense throws at you, there is an answer. It appears Trey struggled with the pre-snap and post snap reads.

Without the all 22 view and be able to watch it multiple times, the reporters definitely cannot know what they were looking at.
Aug 27, 2023 at 4:31 PM
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Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
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If you're gonna go the conspiracy theory route, IMHO the more reasonable one is that Darnold's natural tendencies favor a scheme more similar to what Brock's favor.

That is the real bottom line here. Kyle wants his back up to be able to walk straight in and use the plays he designed for the game at hand if Brock went out for a game or two or three. There will be the least disruption. With Lance he did not have a quick release passing game. In the short game he had to run too much which would become too predictable and make him prone to further injury. He could land longish throws okay but he needed more then that. Kyle wanted plug and play. Trey does not fit the socket.

Issue with that is Darnold's tendencies are turnovers and the offense all QBs have been running in camp has been the same. Not like they had Lance doing his own thing and you'll be hard pressed to find any reporter even if they were biased against Trey to say Darnold pulled away with this thing.

Kyle can always play the "they don't know what they're looking at" card but I think they simply wanted to go with Brock and clear any roadblocks from him being the guy all the way while also clearing cap and getting a pick in return.

Yes Darnold had too many turnovers. That changes with experience and scheme and coaching. It is funny that Trey was sold on his unrealised potential but with other QBs your view is they are stuck in time with no hope of improvement. Darnold is in a different environment now with a much better scheme and coaches. The proof is in the pudding. Darnold started in this system in TC. Lance has been immersed in it for a couple of years. Darnold separated himself markedly in Training Camp and it was obvious in the preseason games. If Darnold was so garbage how bad is Trey when Darnold separates himself in what is a new system to him in a matter of weeks?

While I was willing to write off some of Trey's poor play against the Raiders as rusty in preseason where he could not throw to his first and second reads only making passes to the checkdown, he was still too slow out of the blocks against the Chargers. Sure he made some good throws in the end but you cannot be competitive in the NFL if that is how you start a game. Darnold look so much better and more consistent that it was not funny. Trey lost the job fair and square and then wanted to runaway to the Cowgirls demonstrating he does not have the must win mentality that Jimmy G had when he had to eat humble pie and let Trey be the starter. Jimmy's never say die attitude to competition demonstrates that he was also superior to Trey. I doubt very much Trey will prosper at the Cowgirls unless he develops the never say die attitude. That is his biggest weakness.
Aug 27, 2023 at 4:49 PM
Jerry out here coked up wheeling and dealing by himself.
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