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Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The worst trade in NFL history.



Trey not reading/seeing the field was one of the major red flags we identified during the draft process. It's unlikely that s**t ever gets fixed.

Yet our FO decided to pull the trigger.

Trey Lance > WIN (34M guaranteed)
Dolphins > WIN
NFC > WIN (49ers missed out on 3 potential high-pick players (2 1sts and that 3rd)
49er FO > Biggest numbskulls ever

s**t, even I got swindled by the SM hype machine. Proof is in the draft thread but I had Fields above Lance but Lance above Jones and that's horrible.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

You have moved the goal posts. At first you argued Shanahan traded Trey without Trey's consent, and now you are saying it was "in their mutual interest."

Now, that still doesn't change the fact that Kyle said he told Trey they wanted him here. As it regards to this:

"It had been reported for months that we could trade him."

John Lynch said they weren't trying to do so. "Could" was mere speculation. That decision wasn't made until last week, by Trey, according to Kyle.
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Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
All that simply because he 'asked for it' and some vague public comments after the fact from people who have no incentive to tell you otherwise and every reason to soften the blow for upset fans.
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5GR: The comments weren't even remotely vague. You are still arguing that Kyle was lying about what he said to Trey, and that Trey has no problem with Kyle lying about that situation. And you still have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to base that on OTHER than your narrative, which you ASSUME to be true, and thus it is your evidence. You're like a young earth creationist here. It's circular reasoning.
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Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
If we wanted to keep him we would have, and we certainly wouldn't give a player we 'liked' to a rival with all these other conditions attached. Shockingly naive.
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5GR: We would if we didn't think much of his chances of hurting us. He's got two years left. He's not going to be a Cowboy beyond that. They traded for him most likely to re-trade him for higher value later. Moreover, again, Kyle has stated the preference was to keep him as QB3, but that they offered him the choice. For QUARTERBACK THREE! That's the part you're not factoring in. Why would Kyle be afraid of QUARTERBACK THREE? That is a big reason why the choice was given to Trey in the first place. It hardly hurt the team to give him away, other than depth. They sacrificed depth for a 4th round pick. Given that a 4th round pick can get second string QBs, it's not a terrible sacrifice. But on the other hand, Trey has some physical talent, which is also why they would have kept him had he wanted to stick around (per what they said).

The evidence for your narrative IS your narrative, and a whole lot of speculation which requires everyone involved to be lying either direction or by omission (Trey), all because you think the 49ers should value a THIRD STRING QB so much that the possibility that they could be happy either with him here or with a draft pick, which allowed them to give the player some agency, seems impossible to you. As I said previously, they've done more for players in the past simply because of good will built up. There is absolutely ZERO reason for either their claims to be false OR for them to lie about. None. They told the truth because they have zero incentive to lie. It's not even an unreasonable situation. There's nothing unreasonable about a team deciding that the relationship with the THIRD STRING QB is worth enough to give him the choice of whether he wants to remain as QB3 or be traded for a third day pick.


I didn't move the goalposts guy. I said the 49ers wanted to trade him and at best Trey also wanted to be traded (mutual interest). I said that from the day the trade happened. The bottom line point is we wanted to trade him. Period. We do not 'like' him as a player anymore, and we do not want him on this roster at that price. We are ripping the band-aid off, regardless of whether Trey wanted it not.
And you base that on nothing other than the narrative you already accept as true.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Further you are continuing to ignore the evidence (you appear to not know what evidence actually is), which I pointed out to you in the last response, and hanging on public statements after the fact as the only support for your very misguided position.
If they wanted to trade him from the beginning, or at least from the "10 days" during which Darnold had already "separated himself," why continue to take so many reps away from Darnold and Purdy for him, whilst risking injury? The trade situation arose spontaneously. It was always an option, but it wasn't the only option until it became clear Lance wanted to go. Until that time, they were hedging their bet, waiting for either an offer they couldn't refuse or for Trey to magically become worth keeping another year.


Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Every one of your arguments are based on public statements.

Public statements when corroborated by both parties are the strongest evidence there is. And you ignore them entirely.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Moreover, your logic for the reason they would do this fails with your reasoning in the 2nd bolded line. It's contradictory. We wanted to do right by Trey because he asked for it, and this isn't Madden and he's a human being and all the other nonsense you believe, so we traded him to a place where we also believe he's no threat and not likely to play for two more years.
There is no contradiction at all. We KNOW what we'd do. We don't know what will happen in Dallas, and neither did Trey, which was why he wanted the trade and was glad for it. And as Lynch said, Dallas wasn't the place they wanted to send him, but the cost-benefit analysis versus risk won out.


Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
You heard Kyle's b******t quote 'he needs an opportunity to play'. If you believe this line and think the Niners traded him out of the goodness of their heart then the 2nd bolded line in your response makes no actual sense. What does make sense is we took the best offer we could get, saved the most money we could, and jettisoned a player no longer useful to us in any capacity.

Except he was still useful as a third string quarterback. This was a situation with many variables. It is not a black and white situation. The only contradiction is in your lack of imagination.


Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
The actual evidence is the moves we made (which you addressed poorly as the result of prepping for injuries),

That's not "addressed poorly," it's fact, and backed up by what happened last year.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
the reporting that he could be traded for months (not addressed)

Which was speculation on the part of content creators, much like the speculation that we were for sure drafting Mac Jones.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
and the actual fact that he was traded for peanuts to a playoff* rival and we ate a s**t ton of money, which you never thought was a possibility before it happened. I've read your posts for months-really over a full year. Of course you believe the company line now (still).

I never believed it would happen for the same reason I never believed Jimmy would come back at a discounted price: I forgot the human element. In the case of Trey, it was that he wanted to be traded.

The very, very best case you can make is that the trade was mutual. What ACTUALLY happened is that the 49ers were ambivalent about it (because a third string QB is about as valuable as a 4th round pick next year) and Trey wanted the trade and actually requested it, which made the decision easy for the 49ers.
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by Heroism:

Trey not reading/seeing the field was one of the major red flags we identified during the draft process. It's unlikely that s**t ever gets fixed.

Trey is the same guy he was when we drafted him. Dude could never see the field.

Originally posted by Heroism:
For whatever inexplicable reason, Trey opts to pass on the wide-open hitch to his TE and goes to the wide side of a field for significantly harder throw, a worse option and what would be a 100% INT in the NFL. These are the type of plays that are red flags. Is he seeing the field well? I'm not sure.



Trey Lance was rarely under pressure, so this one is a bit alarming. UCA blitz 0. Where's your hot? Why are you looking left? His hot is the shallow route coming from the right. Why are you looking to the opposite side? Dude drops his eyes under pressure and just bails...


Originally posted by Heroism:
Right, that's the overarching issue with Lance. Nobody knows what they're getting because of his lack of reps due to COVID. What's terrifying to me is how bad he looked in this 2020 game. He could have easily thrown 3 INTs, one for pick six. His ball placement was all over the place, he made bad decisions, and he just looked sloppy and lazy. That throw on the previous page where he's staring at his TE with the nearest defender about 5 yards away from him and opts to not throw him the ball is definitely worrisome. Footwork can be fixed and ball placement can improve with the aforementioned, but if you can't see the field, we've got a problem. If you listen to KNBR around here, you're very familiar with Greg Papa always talking about how some QBs simply don't see the field, and that's something almost never improves enough to overcome the shortcoming. That's not good.

You nailed it. You, San Diego and Bamaniner especially were right from the get go. Nearly the whole board, especially NY now looks like they've got no clue what qb play is supposed to look like.
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

You have moved the goal posts. At first you argued Shanahan traded Trey without Trey's consent, and now you are saying it was "in their mutual interest."

Now, that still doesn't change the fact that Kyle said he told Trey they wanted him here. As it regards to this:

"It had been reported for months that we could trade him."

John Lynch said they weren't trying to do so. "Could" was mere speculation. That decision wasn't made until last week, by Trey, according to Kyle.
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Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
All that simply because he 'asked for it' and some vague public comments after the fact from people who have no incentive to tell you otherwise and every reason to soften the blow for upset fans.
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5GR: The comments weren't even remotely vague. You are still arguing that Kyle was lying about what he said to Trey, and that Trey has no problem with Kyle lying about that situation. And you still have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to base that on OTHER than your narrative, which you ASSUME to be true, and thus it is your evidence. You're like a young earth creationist here. It's circular reasoning.
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Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
If we wanted to keep him we would have, and we certainly wouldn't give a player we 'liked' to a rival with all these other conditions attached. Shockingly naive.
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5GR: We would if we didn't think much of his chances of hurting us. He's got two years left. He's not going to be a Cowboy beyond that. They traded for him most likely to re-trade him for higher value later. Moreover, again, Kyle has stated the preference was to keep him as QB3, but that they offered him the choice. For QUARTERBACK THREE! That's the part you're not factoring in. Why would Kyle be afraid of QUARTERBACK THREE? That is a big reason why the choice was given to Trey in the first place. It hardly hurt the team to give him away, other than depth. They sacrificed depth for a 4th round pick. Given that a 4th round pick can get second string QBs, it's not a terrible sacrifice. But on the other hand, Trey has some physical talent, which is also why they would have kept him had he wanted to stick around (per what they said).

The evidence for your narrative IS your narrative, and a whole lot of speculation which requires everyone involved to be lying either direction or by omission (Trey), all because you think the 49ers should value a THIRD STRING QB so much that the possibility that they could be happy either with him here or with a draft pick, which allowed them to give the player some agency, seems impossible to you. As I said previously, they've done more for players in the past simply because of good will built up. There is absolutely ZERO reason for either their claims to be false OR for them to lie about. None. They told the truth because they have zero incentive to lie. It's not even an unreasonable situation. There's nothing unreasonable about a team deciding that the relationship with the THIRD STRING QB is worth enough to give him the choice of whether he wants to remain as QB3 or be traded for a third day pick.


I didn't move the goalposts guy. I said the 49ers wanted to trade him and at best Trey also wanted to be traded (mutual interest). I said that from the day the trade happened. The bottom line point is we wanted to trade him. Period. We do not 'like' him as a player anymore, and we do not want him on this roster at that price. We are ripping the band-aid off, regardless of whether Trey wanted it not.
And you base that on nothing other than the narrative you already accept as true.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Further you are continuing to ignore the evidence (you appear to not know what evidence actually is), which I pointed out to you in the last response, and hanging on public statements after the fact as the only support for your very misguided position.
If they wanted to trade him from the beginning, or at least from the "10 days" during which Darnold had already "separated himself," why continue to take so many reps away from Darnold and Purdy for him, whilst risking injury? The trade situation arose spontaneously. It was always an option, but it wasn't the only option until it became clear Lance wanted to go. Until that time, they were hedging their bet, waiting for either an offer they couldn't refuse or for Trey to magically become worth keeping another year.


Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Every one of your arguments are based on public statements.

Public statements when corroborated by both parties are the strongest evidence there is. And you ignore them entirely.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Moreover, your logic for the reason they would do this fails with your reasoning in the 2nd bolded line. It's contradictory. We wanted to do right by Trey because he asked for it, and this isn't Madden and he's a human being and all the other nonsense you believe, so we traded him to a place where we also believe he's no threat and not likely to play for two more years.
There is no contradiction at all. We KNOW what we'd do. We don't know what will happen in Dallas, and neither did Trey, which was why he wanted the trade and was glad for it. And as Lynch said, Dallas wasn't the place they wanted to send him, but the cost-benefit analysis versus risk won out.


Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
You heard Kyle's b******t quote 'he needs an opportunity to play'. If you believe this line and think the Niners traded him out of the goodness of their heart then the 2nd bolded line in your response makes no actual sense. What does make sense is we took the best offer we could get, saved the most money we could, and jettisoned a player no longer useful to us in any capacity.

Except he was still useful as a third string quarterback. This was a situation with many variables. It is not a black and white situation. The only contradiction is in your lack of imagination.


Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
The actual evidence is the moves we made (which you addressed poorly as the result of prepping for injuries),

That's not "addressed poorly," it's fact, and backed up by what happened last year.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
the reporting that he could be traded for months (not addressed)

Which was speculation on the part of content creators, much like the speculation that we were for sure drafting Mac Jones.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
and the actual fact that he was traded for peanuts to a playoff* rival and we ate a s**t ton of money, which you never thought was a possibility before it happened. I've read your posts for months-really over a full year. Of course you believe the company line now (still).

I never believed it would happen for the same reason I never believed Jimmy would come back at a discounted price: I forgot the human element. In the case of Trey, it was that he wanted to be traded.

The very, very best case you can make is that the trade was mutual. What ACTUALLY happened is that the 49ers were ambivalent about it (because a third string QB is about as valuable as a 4th round pick next year) and Trey wanted the trade and actually requested it, which made the decision easy for the 49ers.

Your guy Trey was the biggest bust in NFL history.
On Trey's playlist..save a horse, ride a cowboy 🎶
Originally posted by Bullrush42:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by Heroism:

Trey not reading/seeing the field was one of the major red flags we identified during the draft process. It's unlikely that s**t ever gets fixed.

Trey is the same guy he was when we drafted him. Dude could never see the field.

Originally posted by Heroism:
For whatever inexplicable reason, Trey opts to pass on the wide-open hitch to his TE and goes to the wide side of a field for significantly harder throw, a worse option and what would be a 100% INT in the NFL. These are the type of plays that are red flags. Is he seeing the field well? I'm not sure.



Trey Lance was rarely under pressure, so this one is a bit alarming. UCA blitz 0. Where's your hot? Why are you looking left? His hot is the shallow route coming from the right. Why are you looking to the opposite side? Dude drops his eyes under pressure and just bails...


Originally posted by Heroism:
Right, that's the overarching issue with Lance. Nobody knows what they're getting because of his lack of reps due to COVID. What's terrifying to me is how bad he looked in this 2020 game. He could have easily thrown 3 INTs, one for pick six. His ball placement was all over the place, he made bad decisions, and he just looked sloppy and lazy. That throw on the previous page where he's staring at his TE with the nearest defender about 5 yards away from him and opts to not throw him the ball is definitely worrisome. Footwork can be fixed and ball placement can improve with the aforementioned, but if you can't see the field, we've got a problem. If you listen to KNBR around here, you're very familiar with Greg Papa always talking about how some QBs simply don't see the field, and that's something almost never improves enough to overcome the shortcoming. That's not good.

You nailed it. You, San Diego and Bamaniner especially were right from the get go. Nearly the whole board, especially NY now looks like they've got no clue what qb play is supposed to look like.

You just got here? (Joined:Aug 29, 2023) So you've been lurking for a few years?

Oooooooor are you.....hmmm.
[ Edited by Afrikan on Sep 3, 2023 at 11:09 PM ]
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by Bullrush42:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by Heroism:

Trey not reading/seeing the field was one of the major red flags we identified during the draft process. It's unlikely that s**t ever gets fixed.

Trey is the same guy he was when we drafted him. Dude could never see the field.

Originally posted by Heroism:
For whatever inexplicable reason, Trey opts to pass on the wide-open hitch to his TE and goes to the wide side of a field for significantly harder throw, a worse option and what would be a 100% INT in the NFL. These are the type of plays that are red flags. Is he seeing the field well? I'm not sure.



Trey Lance was rarely under pressure, so this one is a bit alarming. UCA blitz 0. Where's your hot? Why are you looking left? His hot is the shallow route coming from the right. Why are you looking to the opposite side? Dude drops his eyes under pressure and just bails...


Originally posted by Heroism:
Right, that's the overarching issue with Lance. Nobody knows what they're getting because of his lack of reps due to COVID. What's terrifying to me is how bad he looked in this 2020 game. He could have easily thrown 3 INTs, one for pick six. His ball placement was all over the place, he made bad decisions, and he just looked sloppy and lazy. That throw on the previous page where he's staring at his TE with the nearest defender about 5 yards away from him and opts to not throw him the ball is definitely worrisome. Footwork can be fixed and ball placement can improve with the aforementioned, but if you can't see the field, we've got a problem. If you listen to KNBR around here, you're very familiar with Greg Papa always talking about how some QBs simply don't see the field, and that's something almost never improves enough to overcome the shortcoming. That's not good.

You nailed it. You, San Diego and Bamaniner especially were right from the get go. Nearly the whole board, especially NY now looks like they've got no clue what qb play is supposed to look like.

You just got here? (Joined:Aug 29, 2023) So you've been lurking for a few years?

Oooooooor are you.....hmmm.

i'm offended that I wasn't included on his list.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by Bullrush42:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by Heroism:

Trey not reading/seeing the field was one of the major red flags we identified during the draft process. It's unlikely that s**t ever gets fixed.

Trey is the same guy he was when we drafted him. Dude could never see the field.

Originally posted by Heroism:
For whatever inexplicable reason, Trey opts to pass on the wide-open hitch to his TE and goes to the wide side of a field for significantly harder throw, a worse option and what would be a 100% INT in the NFL. These are the type of plays that are red flags. Is he seeing the field well? I'm not sure.



Trey Lance was rarely under pressure, so this one is a bit alarming. UCA blitz 0. Where's your hot? Why are you looking left? His hot is the shallow route coming from the right. Why are you looking to the opposite side? Dude drops his eyes under pressure and just bails...


Originally posted by Heroism:
Right, that's the overarching issue with Lance. Nobody knows what they're getting because of his lack of reps due to COVID. What's terrifying to me is how bad he looked in this 2020 game. He could have easily thrown 3 INTs, one for pick six. His ball placement was all over the place, he made bad decisions, and he just looked sloppy and lazy. That throw on the previous page where he's staring at his TE with the nearest defender about 5 yards away from him and opts to not throw him the ball is definitely worrisome. Footwork can be fixed and ball placement can improve with the aforementioned, but if you can't see the field, we've got a problem. If you listen to KNBR around here, you're very familiar with Greg Papa always talking about how some QBs simply don't see the field, and that's something almost never improves enough to overcome the shortcoming. That's not good.

You nailed it. You, San Diego and Bamaniner especially were right from the get go. Nearly the whole board, especially NY now looks like they've got no clue what qb play is supposed to look like.

You just got here? (Joined:Aug 29, 2023) So you've been lurking for a few years?

Oooooooor are you.....hmmm.

i'm offended that I wasn't included on his list.



https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/194858-who-one-guy-you-dont-want-49ers-drafting/
Originally posted by tankle104:
I liked fields the most, I really thought we were going to take him. Everything kyle said he wanted - 11-11 football rtc. Fields was the obvious choice. I'd love to hear why he never considered him. I really thought it was between mac and fields - I didn't even think Lance was in the equation, for obvious reasons. Lol barely any film, so you can't even really evaluate him, inexperienced, mediocre mechanics, I didn't like this throwing motion, I didn't think he was very fast - he's athletic but not enough to play 11-11. I've always felt this way about Lance.

im not bitter about the situation, I just still can't wrap my head around why they thought Lance was a good decision. It was so recklessly irresponsible of a gamble, just ridiculous.

we really are lucky Brock has done well so far because we would be in either 1 of 2 situations, most likely. Either we would have darnold starting right now or we would of traded for cousins and have to lose good players to make it work. Just an absolute nightmare. Lol

i am a big Brock fan though, I'm super excited about him and I think moving off of Lance was the right decision. I think we move off of Lance regardless. I don't see the team continuing to bank on him because they were over him and his stunted development.

I think experience worked against Fields. Kyle thinks he can make any QB look good with his system and thought it would be easier to teach Lance how to play then to coach out of Fields what he didn't like. I also think teams over thought it with Fields. He was the #1B QB coming out of HS (Trevor Lawrence was 1A) & then was one of the best QB's in college. Add in he checked every measurable box (height, weight, speed, arm strength). How the Jets passed on him at #2 & 49ers at #3 is why QB evaluation is so broken in the NFL.
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by Bullrush42:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by Heroism:

Trey not reading/seeing the field was one of the major red flags we identified during the draft process. It's unlikely that s**t ever gets fixed.

Trey is the same guy he was when we drafted him. Dude could never see the field.

Originally posted by Heroism:
For whatever inexplicable reason, Trey opts to pass on the wide-open hitch to his TE and goes to the wide side of a field for significantly harder throw, a worse option and what would be a 100% INT in the NFL. These are the type of plays that are red flags. Is he seeing the field well? I'm not sure.



Trey Lance was rarely under pressure, so this one is a bit alarming. UCA blitz 0. Where's your hot? Why are you looking left? His hot is the shallow route coming from the right. Why are you looking to the opposite side? Dude drops his eyes under pressure and just bails...


Originally posted by Heroism:
Right, that's the overarching issue with Lance. Nobody knows what they're getting because of his lack of reps due to COVID. What's terrifying to me is how bad he looked in this 2020 game. He could have easily thrown 3 INTs, one for pick six. His ball placement was all over the place, he made bad decisions, and he just looked sloppy and lazy. That throw on the previous page where he's staring at his TE with the nearest defender about 5 yards away from him and opts to not throw him the ball is definitely worrisome. Footwork can be fixed and ball placement can improve with the aforementioned, but if you can't see the field, we've got a problem. If you listen to KNBR around here, you're very familiar with Greg Papa always talking about how some QBs simply don't see the field, and that's something almost never improves enough to overcome the shortcoming. That's not good.

You nailed it. You, San Diego and Bamaniner especially were right from the get go. Nearly the whole board, especially NY now looks like they've got no clue what qb play is supposed to look like.

You just got here? (Joined:Aug 29, 2023) So you've been lurking for a few years?

Oooooooor are you.....hmmm.

I've been lurking for years but just got to the point in life I have time to post. I saw that whole saga play out but from the sidelines.
Originally posted by Goatie:
Your guy Trey was the biggest bust in NFL history.

Well, I don't about that. Lance's story is still unfinished. By all accounts he is a really good kid and a hard worker. If, in the end, he fails to make a career out of it, it will be because he may not have those intangible qualities that go into making an NFL starter. Lots of high draft picks don't work out for one reason or another. I would probably save the bust label for guys like Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell. guys who had some talent but were just too emotionally immature or lazy to take advantage of the opportunities they were given. I don't know that either of those things could be said about Lance. Time will tell.
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by Goatie:
Your guy Trey was the biggest bust in NFL history.

Well, I don't about that. Lance's story is still unfinished. By all accounts he is a really good kid and a hard worker. If, in the end, he fails to make a career out of it, it will be because he may not have those intangible qualities that go into making an NFL starter. Lots of high draft picks don't work out for one reason or another. I would probably save the bust label for guys like Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell. guys who had some talent but were just too emotionally immature or lazy to take advantage of the opportunities they were given. I don't know that either of those things could be said about Lance. Time will tell.

Good kid, crackjead, addicted to lean, it doesn't matter in the end…..a bust is a bust. And while Leaf went 2 and Russell went 1, Trey was drafted to a Super Bowl contending team for all of their movable assets, that my friend is biggest bust of all time material. It's really not his fault tho, it's on lynch and Shannahan. He had no business getting drafted in the first 20 picks
Originally posted by Bullrush42:
Good kid, crackjead, addicted to lean, it doesn't matter in the end…..a bust is a bust. And while Leaf went 2 and Russell went 1, Trey was drafted to a Super Bowl contending team for all of their movable assets, that my friend is biggest bust of all time material. It's really not his fault tho, it's on lynch and Shannahan. He had no business getting drafted in the first 20 picks

I really wish we had the ability to know exactly how it woulda shook out and where he would have been drafted. I find it hard to believe teams had him in front of JF. and he went 10th
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by Bullrush42:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by Heroism:

Trey not reading/seeing the field was one of the major red flags we identified during the draft process. It's unlikely that s**t ever gets fixed.

Trey is the same guy he was when we drafted him. Dude could never see the field.

Originally posted by Heroism:
For whatever inexplicable reason, Trey opts to pass on the wide-open hitch to his TE and goes to the wide side of a field for significantly harder throw, a worse option and what would be a 100% INT in the NFL. These are the type of plays that are red flags. Is he seeing the field well? I'm not sure.



Trey Lance was rarely under pressure, so this one is a bit alarming. UCA blitz 0. Where's your hot? Why are you looking left? His hot is the shallow route coming from the right. Why are you looking to the opposite side? Dude drops his eyes under pressure and just bails...


Originally posted by Heroism:
Right, that's the overarching issue with Lance. Nobody knows what they're getting because of his lack of reps due to COVID. What's terrifying to me is how bad he looked in this 2020 game. He could have easily thrown 3 INTs, one for pick six. His ball placement was all over the place, he made bad decisions, and he just looked sloppy and lazy. That throw on the previous page where he's staring at his TE with the nearest defender about 5 yards away from him and opts to not throw him the ball is definitely worrisome. Footwork can be fixed and ball placement can improve with the aforementioned, but if you can't see the field, we've got a problem. If you listen to KNBR around here, you're very familiar with Greg Papa always talking about how some QBs simply don't see the field, and that's something almost never improves enough to overcome the shortcoming. That's not good.

You nailed it. You, San Diego and Bamaniner especially were right from the get go. Nearly the whole board, especially NY now looks like they've got no clue what qb play is supposed to look like.

You just got here? (Joined:Aug 29, 2023) So you've been lurking for a few years?

Oooooooor are you.....hmmm.

i'm offended that I wasn't included on his list.



https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/194858-who-one-guy-you-dont-want-49ers-drafting/



You guys were just haters, nothing to back up anything but throw out baseless speculations and hot takes so you can get your daily dose of much needed attention. If he would've worked out you trolls would've kept moving the bar every season.

Acting like you guys are some QB experts.

Most of you thought Jimmy was a great QB. Jose thinks Kyle is a bad coach. So stupid lmao
[ Edited by GoreGoreGore on Sep 4, 2023 at 1:17 PM ]
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by Bullrush42:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by Heroism:

Trey not reading/seeing the field was one of the major red flags we identified during the draft process. It's unlikely that s**t ever gets fixed.

Trey is the same guy he was when we drafted him. Dude could never see the field.

Originally posted by Heroism:
For whatever inexplicable reason, Trey opts to pass on the wide-open hitch to his TE and goes to the wide side of a field for significantly harder throw, a worse option and what would be a 100% INT in the NFL. These are the type of plays that are red flags. Is he seeing the field well? I'm not sure.



Trey Lance was rarely under pressure, so this one is a bit alarming. UCA blitz 0. Where's your hot? Why are you looking left? His hot is the shallow route coming from the right. Why are you looking to the opposite side? Dude drops his eyes under pressure and just bails...


Originally posted by Heroism:
Right, that's the overarching issue with Lance. Nobody knows what they're getting because of his lack of reps due to COVID. What's terrifying to me is how bad he looked in this 2020 game. He could have easily thrown 3 INTs, one for pick six. His ball placement was all over the place, he made bad decisions, and he just looked sloppy and lazy. That throw on the previous page where he's staring at his TE with the nearest defender about 5 yards away from him and opts to not throw him the ball is definitely worrisome. Footwork can be fixed and ball placement can improve with the aforementioned, but if you can't see the field, we've got a problem. If you listen to KNBR around here, you're very familiar with Greg Papa always talking about how some QBs simply don't see the field, and that's something almost never improves enough to overcome the shortcoming. That's not good.

You nailed it. You, San Diego and Bamaniner especially were right from the get go. Nearly the whole board, especially NY now looks like they've got no clue what qb play is supposed to look like.

You just got here? (Joined:Aug 29, 2023) So you've been lurking for a few years?

Oooooooor are you.....hmmm.

i'm offended that I wasn't included on his list.



https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/194858-who-one-guy-you-dont-want-49ers-drafting/



You guys were just haters, nothing to back up anything but throw out baseless speculations and hot takes so you can get your daily dose of much needed attention. If he would've worked out you trolls would've kept moving the bar every season.

Acting like you guys are some QB experts.

Most of you thought Jimmy was a great QB. Jose thinks Kyle is a bad coach. So stupid lmao

Wrong again. A lot of folks saw the flaws in Trey Lance, and understood he put up big numbers in only 1 season at a college program where nearly none of them nor it's competition would ever sniff an nfl field. Then there were the blind fans.
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