Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

I know this has been said but I can't go throught 5K plus pages to look.
SF should have sat back at pick 12 and let the draft unfold. Lance, Fields and Jones (all busts) were all not going top 11. At worst SF gave up their 1st in 2022 like the Bears did for Fields. Huge overpay to give up 2 future ones. Hate when people say 'they gave up 3 #1's!!' Never got all the love for Lance. June Jones was right when he said that 'Lance isn't really great at one thing' and he is not very fast.

Originally posted by MinerForty-Niner:
I know this has been said but I can't go throught 5K plus pages to look.
SF should have sat back at pick 12 and let the draft unfold. Lance, Fields and Jones (all busts) were all not going top 11. At worst SF gave up their 1st in 2022 like the Bears did for Fields. Huge overpay to give up 2 future ones. Hate when people say 'they gave up 3 #1's!!' Never got all the love for Lance. June Jones was right when he said that 'Lance isn't really great at one thing' and he is not very fast.

Yeah I never got trading up to 3 that early. Trading up to 1 makes sense. You literally control everything. Should've let it play out on draft night and trade up as needed

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by MinerForty-Niner:
I know this has been said but I can't go throught 5K plus pages to look.
SF should have sat back at pick 12 and let the draft unfold. Lance, Fields and Jones (all busts) were all not going top 11. At worst SF gave up their 1st in 2022 like the Bears did for Fields. Huge overpay to give up 2 future ones. Hate when people say 'they gave up 3 #1's!!' Never got all the love for Lance. June Jones was right when he said that 'Lance isn't really great at one thing' and he is not very fast.

Yeah I never got trading up to 3 that early. Trading up to 1 makes sense. You literally control everything. Should've let it play out on draft night and trade up as needed

Woulda-Coulda-Shoulda -

Originally posted by MinerForty-Niner:
I know this has been said but I can't go throught 5K plus pages to look.
SF should have sat back at pick 12 and let the draft unfold. Lance, Fields and Jones (all busts) were all not going top 11. At worst SF gave up their 1st in 2022 like the Bears did for Fields. Huge overpay to give up 2 future ones. Hate when people say 'they gave up 3 #1's!!' Never got all the love for Lance. June Jones was right when he said that 'Lance isn't really great at one thing' and he is not very fast.

They panicked, trading up early before they even knew who they were trading up for. If you see a prospect that you feel is can't miss and you need to trade the farm for them, so be it, but they moved up and were still deciding between prospects which really blows my mind.

Hindsight being 20/20 and all but that trade was brutal. Instead of Lance they could have had Micah Parsons, Dax Hill, Sam LaPorta and an extra 3rd rounder.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by MinerForty-Niner:
I know this has been said but I can't go throught 5K plus pages to look.
SF should have sat back at pick 12 and let the draft unfold. Lance, Fields and Jones (all busts) were all not going top 11. At worst SF gave up their 1st in 2022 like the Bears did for Fields. Huge overpay to give up 2 future ones. Hate when people say 'they gave up 3 #1's!!' Never got all the love for Lance. June Jones was right when he said that 'Lance isn't really great at one thing' and he is not very fast.

They panicked, trading up early before they even knew who they were trading up for. If you see a prospect that you feel is can't miss and you need to trade the farm for them, so be it, but they moved up and were still deciding between prospects which really blows my mind.

Hindsight being 20/20 and all but that trade was brutal. Instead of Lance they could have had Micah Parsons, Dax Hill, Sam LaPorta and an extra 3rd rounder.

Yup complete panic move, as if throwing as much draft capital at the problem would fix it. Reality is Sam Darnold was pretty cheap and could walk in and do the job better than Lance. That's why I caution teams from building around the draft pick QB. If we look at SF with Shanny and DET with MCDC they both built from scratch without drafting the QB, they just built up the roster and got a serviceable QB who can run the stuff via trade. So if I was building a team up from scratch I wouldn't focus on drafting a QB, I'd get the team built first. Otherwise you waste the rook contract and your rook QB flounders, see Carolina and Bryce Young.

No one wanted to hear it, but as soon as it happened I posted that it was arguably the worst trade ever just because there wasn't even a player they had in mind

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Yup complete panic move, as if throwing as much draft capital at the problem would fix it. Reality is Sam Darnold was pretty cheap and could walk in and do the job better than Lance. That's why I caution teams from building around the draft pick QB. If we look at SF with Shanny and DET with MCDC they both built from scratch without drafting the QB, they just built up the roster and got a serviceable QB who can run the stuff via trade. So if I was building a team up from scratch I wouldn't focus on drafting a QB, I'd get the team built first. Otherwise you waste the rook contract and your rook QB flounders, see Carolina and Bryce Young.

Most teams don't have a coach and scheme that can get consistent winning play on offense without top talent at QB. We do fortunately. And it's worth mentioning that we still haven't won and QB play has been a handcuff in at least two of those prime opportunities ('19 and 21. Won't count '22 as it was just a freak injury at the position).

Teams that don't prioritize QB's, or don't have great QBs, typically don't win. That's why they are so damn expensive.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Most teams don't have a coach and scheme that can get consistent winning play on offense without top talent at QB. We do fortunately. And it's worth mentioning that we still haven't won and QB play has been a handcuff in at least two of those prime opportunities ('19 and 21. Won't count '22 as it was just a freak injury at the position).

Teams that don't prioritize QB's, or don't have great QBs, typically don't win. That's why they are so damn expensive.

Exactly right. While building up the roster around the QB makes sense to start with, the pressure on the rest of the roster to play perfect to make up for the average QB becomes an enormous ask. That's what killed the 9ers in 19 and 21.

Originally posted by dhp318:
No one wanted to hear it, but as soon as it happened I posted that it was arguably the worst trade ever just because there wasn't even a player they had in mind

Being that the Panthers have already given up the 9th overall, 1st overall, a 2, an established pro bowl level receiver and still owe a 2nd it's already been beaten.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Being that the Panthers have already given up the 9th overall, 1st overall, a 2, an established pro bowl level receiver and still owe a 2nd it's already been beaten.

Jury is still out on the player though. Obviously not off to a good start, lol.

continuing to tell myself that we traded 3 1s for Brock Purdy and took Lance with the last pick of the draft. Always easier to look at it that way because no other team has pulled off pissing away 3 1st rounders and finding a more than good QB with the last pick

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Being that the Panthers have already given up the 9th overall, 1st overall, a 2, an established pro bowl level receiver and still owe a 2nd it's already been beaten.

Jury is still out on the player though. Obviously not off to a good start, lol.

Not off to a good start, but ask yourself how winnable that situation is. They put tremendous investment in 1 man, and lil investment up and down the entire roster, and the Owner is a certified clown. Hard to even evaluate the player, I suspect he wouldn't look as bad in KC or SF. How many QBs you think can walk into a dysfunctional mess and come out the other side like a Peyton Manning. That is extremely rare, like playing the lotto. Even Mahomes didn't do that, he walked into a very good situation.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Not off to a good start, but ask yourself how winnable that situation is. They put tremendous investment in 1 man, and lil investment up and down the entire roster, and the Owner is a certified clown. Hard to even evaluate the player, I suspect he wouldn't look as bad in KC or SF. How many QBs you think can walk into a dysfunctional mess and come out the other side like a Peyton Manning. That is extremely rare, like playing the lotto. Even Mahomes didn't do that, he walked into a very good situation.

He's an undersized guy who didn't play well individually. Obviously his situation sucks. That's not uncommon. It's too early to judge him as a finished product and the team was never going to turn it around in a year or two anyway. He can grow with the team. That's also not uncommon.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
He's an undersized guy who didn't play well individually. Obviously his situation sucks. That's not uncommon. It's too early to judge him as a finished product and the team was never going to turn it around in a year or two anyway. He can grow with the team. That's also not uncommon.

That is partially my point, if the team is uncompetitive for 2 years okay you just threw away a big part of the rook QB advantage, which is competing on the rook contract. You put the QB first, ahead of team building. I don't agree with it.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by MinerForty-Niner:

I know this has been said but I can't go throught 5K plus pages to look.
SF should have sat back at pick 12 and let the draft unfold. Lance, Fields and Jones (all busts) were all not going top 11. At worst SF gave up their 1st in 2022 like the Bears did for Fields. Huge overpay to give up 2 future ones. Hate when people say 'they gave up 3 #1's!!' Never got all the love for Lance. June Jones was right when he said that 'Lance isn't really great at one thing' and he is not very fast.

They panicked, trading up early before they even knew who they were trading up for. If you see a prospect that you feel is can't miss and you need to trade the farm for them, so be it, but they moved up and were still deciding between prospects which really blows my mind.

Hindsight being 20/20 and all but that trade was brutal. Instead of Lance they could have had Micah Parsons, Dax Hill, Sam LaPorta and an extra 3rd rounder.

Brock Purdy saved Lynch and Shanahan's jobs.