Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Giedi:
Personally i think Trey can be a good QB. Kyle drafted him and even though he was traded to the Cowboys - who offered the highest trade compensation - i still respect Kyle's initial evaluation of Trey's QB talent. Its just bad luck that Trey had after being drafted that resulted in him being traded. I've seen some flashes of decent QB play. I truly think that More Reps will indeed help him improve. But that's just my opinion.

I think the issue amongst this discussion is the subjective nature behind what "a good qb" is. This isn't meant as coming at you or anything. I'm just saying that when we say "a good qb", each person has a different idea of what that means. To me, a good qb is someone in that 8-12 range - aka a slightly above average qb. Which I believe is where Treys "ceiling" is.

the issue with qbs is that the drop offs are huge as you go through the top 15 or so. There are typically 3-5 ELITE qbs at a time (at most). Then you usually have 2-4 teetering on really good and elite. Then you have what I think are good, which is usually the 8-12th best qbs. To me "good" is someone who is functional if everything around them is going well but not a player you want to run your offense through nor have the game on their shoulders - essentially a game manager.

The drop off after the top 12-13 or so qbs is usually exponential, to the point where they are questioned in regards to should they even be playing. Lol

So I think Trey can be a functional qb but I don't ever see him being a guy who leads a franchise or is a real problem. But who knows. Time will tell.

Yeah, I am not a fan of the Vikings either. Would not have really rooted for him there. Lol.

Flashes of decent qb play isn't gunna cut it in the NFL, obviously. And it's back to the reps talk. Soon, that will be a convo under the bridge, thankfully lol. I think the lack of experience plus mental was a double whammy for Trey. I don't see amazing mechanics, his arm is obviously good but what does that do..if sloppy footwork and mental seem to be a challenge? The mental likely will improve some as he is in a more comfortable situation with a coach who wants to invest time into him. But how much improvement, remains to be seen, of course.
Too much emphasis on arms/arm strength though..it's what you do with it that counts. I wish the best for him but not when playing against us lol.

Originally posted by Montana:
Yeah, I am not a fan of the Vikings either. Would not have really rooted for him there. Lol.

Flashes of decent qb play isn't gunna cut it in the NFL, obviously. And it's back to the reps talk. Soon, that will be a convo under the bridge, thankfully lol. I think the lack of experience plus mental was a double whammy for Trey. I don't see amazing mechanics, his arm is obviously good but what does that do..if sloppy footwork and mental seem to be a challenge? The mental likely will improve some as he is in a more comfortable situation with a coach who wants to invest time into him. But how much improvement, remains to be seen, of course.
Too much emphasis on arms/arm strength though..it's what you do with it that counts. I wish the best for him but not when playing against us lol.

Too raw for the nfl, specifically for a team that was expecting to contend for a chip. He needed to go somewhere were he could get 1000+ passes in his first two years or so and 20+ games under his belt - just to get a grasp on the type of player he is/would become.

I really don't think we've ever seen such a raw and inexperienced qb taken that high. A lot of things didn't go his way either - specifically the injuries. That took an Already risky situation and made it nearly impossible.

I think he's a super high character guy and he should be set for the rest of his life, and I'm rooting for him, except against us. I Never wanted/wanted him to fail - just never believed in the pick/situation.

thank god for Purdy cause he really bailed this whole organization out of a potential catastrophe. It's wild to think about the kind of bullet we dodged cause the last pick in the draft turned out to be a diamond in the rough. Lol

Originally posted by tankle104:
Too raw for the nfl, specifically for a team that was expecting to contend for a chip. He needed to go somewhere were he could get 1000+ passes in his first two years or so and 20+ games under his belt - just to get a grasp on the type of player he is/would become.

I really don't think we've ever seen such a raw and inexperienced qb taken that high. A lot of things didn't go his way either - specifically the injuries. That took an Already risky situation and made it nearly impossible.

I think he's a super high character guy and he should be set for the rest of his life, and I'm rooting for him, except against us. I Never wanted/wanted him to fail - just never believed in the pick/situation.

thank god for Purdy cause he really bailed this whole organization out of a potential catastrophe. It's wild to think about the kind of bullet we dodged cause the last pick in the draft turned out to be a diamond in the rough. Lol

Lol you could totally see it on the faces of the coaches. Kinda like...they had this look of relief like, well like, they had gone to the restroom..an intense but victorious visit after a long flight or something..haha. Lynch is so expressive, that it cracks me up. He was a little sweaty from all the media buzz about Trey but also that look of total relief, they got bailed out..how do you spell relief? P-U-R-D-Y lolol.

Trey was much too raw for the NFL, indeed. I love his character though, seems like a super nice, stand up guy.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Personally i think Trey can be a good QB. Kyle drafted him and even though he was traded to the Cowboys - who offered the highest trade compensation - i still respect Kyle's initial evaluation of Trey's QB talent. Its just bad luck that Trey had after being drafted that resulted in him being traded. I've seen some flashes of decent QB play. I truly think that More Reps will indeed help him improve. But that's just my opinion.

I think the issue amongst this discussion is the subjective nature behind what "a good qb" is. This isn't meant as coming at you or anything. I'm just saying that when we say "a good qb", each person has a different idea of what that means. To me, a good qb is someone in that 8-12 range - aka a slightly above average qb. Which I believe is where Treys "ceiling" is.

the issue with qbs is that the drop offs are huge as you go through the top 15 or so. There are typically 3-5 ELITE qbs at a time (at most). Then you usually have 2-4 teetering on really good and elite. Then you have what I think are good, which is usually the 8-12th best qbs. To me "good" is someone who is functional if everything around them is going well but not a player you want to run your offense through nor have the game on their shoulders - essentially a game manager.

The drop off after the top 12-13 or so qbs is usually exponential, to the point where they are questioned in regards to should they even be playing. Lol

So I think Trey can be a functional qb but I don't ever see him being a guy who leads a franchise or is a real problem. But who knows. Time will tell.

I think a good QB should be able to take his team to the playoffs. Jimmy and Jeff Garcia come to mind. As for elite level QBs like Patrick, that is a long road to hoe before Trey even approaches that level.

I think he has the physical tools to be a playoff level QB, but QB is more from the neck up vs the neck down. There have been late bloomer QBs, example would be guys like Jim Plunkett.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Thats a weird thing to say.. I actually view it as almost as a slight. lol I guess it sorta makes sense cause he came to the team late but realistically learning a system is no where near the hard part - it's executing it on the field, calling the right plays, identifying things in the huddle etc - AKA REPS!. lol which he wasn't even active on game days or second string, so he hasn't got any reps.

so that's great, he knows the system NOW from a book standpoint - he knew it here too since he was here for a few years, he just never could put it on the field in any sort of consistent basis.

to me, it was extremely telling that the niners traded him to the cowboys, a conference rival for the Super Bowl. Shows what they really think he will become, IMO. But who knows - I could be wrong.

Hopefully history won't repeat itself last time we traded a notable player to them (i.e. Haley).

Luckily all the "last time this happened, the Niners won the Super Bowl" similarities between current Niners and Walsh/Seifert Niners haven't happened, so this is unlikely too as well.

they should cut him so he can go to a real team. maybe the Chargers would be ideal. Learn under Craazy Harbaugh + Greg Roman and learning under a social media qb like Justin Herbert is not too bad. Being a cowboy is like practicing bad habits

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Personally i think Trey can be a good QB. Kyle drafted him and even though he was traded to the Cowboys - who offered the highest trade compensation - i still respect Kyle's initial evaluation of Trey's QB talent. Its just bad luck that Trey had after being drafted that resulted in him being traded. I've seen some flashes of decent QB play. I truly think that More Reps will indeed help him improve. But that's just my opinion.

I think the issue amongst this discussion is the subjective nature behind what "a good qb" is. This isn't meant as coming at you or anything. I'm just saying that when we say "a good qb", each person has a different idea of what that means. To me, a good qb is someone in that 8-12 range - aka a slightly above average qb. Which I believe is where Treys "ceiling" is.

the issue with qbs is that the drop offs are huge as you go through the top 15 or so. There are typically 3-5 ELITE qbs at a time (at most). Then you usually have 2-4 teetering on really good and elite. Then you have what I think are good, which is usually the 8-12th best qbs. To me "good" is someone who is functional if everything around them is going well but not a player you want to run your offense through nor have the game on their shoulders - essentially a game manager.

The drop off after the top 12-13 or so qbs is usually exponential, to the point where they are questioned in regards to should they even be playing. Lol

So I think Trey can be a functional qb but I don't ever see him being a guy who leads a franchise or is a real problem. But who knows. Time will tell.

So what you are saying is, we gave up 3 first round picks for a slightly above average QB?

What is it about him that made Shanahan & Lynch give up all of that draft capital to trade up for Trey Lance?

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Personally i think Trey can be a good QB. Kyle drafted him and even though he was traded to the Cowboys - who offered the highest trade compensation - i still respect Kyle's initial evaluation of Trey's QB talent. Its just bad luck that Trey had after being drafted that resulted in him being traded. I've seen some flashes of decent QB play. I truly think that More Reps will indeed help him improve. But that's just my opinion.

I think the issue amongst this discussion is the subjective nature behind what "a good qb" is. This isn't meant as coming at you or anything. I'm just saying that when we say "a good qb", each person has a different idea of what that means. To me, a good qb is someone in that 8-12 range - aka a slightly above average qb. Which I believe is where Treys "ceiling" is.

the issue with qbs is that the drop offs are huge as you go through the top 15 or so. There are typically 3-5 ELITE qbs at a time (at most). Then you usually have 2-4 teetering on really good and elite. Then you have what I think are good, which is usually the 8-12th best qbs. To me "good" is someone who is functional if everything around them is going well but not a player you want to run your offense through nor have the game on their shoulders - essentially a game manager.

The drop off after the top 12-13 or so qbs is usually exponential, to the point where they are questioned in regards to should they even be playing. Lol

So I think Trey can be a functional qb but I don't ever see him being a guy who leads a franchise or is a real problem. But who knows. Time will tell.

So what you are saying is, we gave up 3 first round picks for a slightly above average QB?

What is it about him that made Shanahan & Lynch give up all of that draft capital to trade up for Trey Lance?

I don't think they had a concrete plan, I've always thought it was a move made out of desperation after missing out on Stafford.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Personally i think Trey can be a good QB. Kyle drafted him and even though he was traded to the Cowboys - who offered the highest trade compensation - i still respect Kyle's initial evaluation of Trey's QB talent. Its just bad luck that Trey had after being drafted that resulted in him being traded. I've seen some flashes of decent QB play. I truly think that More Reps will indeed help him improve. But that's just my opinion.

I think the issue amongst this discussion is the subjective nature behind what "a good qb" is. This isn't meant as coming at you or anything. I'm just saying that when we say "a good qb", each person has a different idea of what that means. To me, a good qb is someone in that 8-12 range - aka a slightly above average qb. Which I believe is where Treys "ceiling" is.

the issue with qbs is that the drop offs are huge as you go through the top 15 or so. There are typically 3-5 ELITE qbs at a time (at most). Then you usually have 2-4 teetering on really good and elite. Then you have what I think are good, which is usually the 8-12th best qbs. To me "good" is someone who is functional if everything around them is going well but not a player you want to run your offense through nor have the game on their shoulders - essentially a game manager.

The drop off after the top 12-13 or so qbs is usually exponential, to the point where they are questioned in regards to should they even be playing. Lol

So I think Trey can be a functional qb but I don't ever see him being a guy who leads a franchise or is a real problem. But who knows. Time will tell.

So what you are saying is, we gave up 3 first round picks for a slightly above average QB?

What is it about him that made Shanahan & Lynch give up all of that draft capital to trade up for Trey Lance?

Ya that's obviously incorrect. Most analysists as well had Trey as the 2nd QB with the highest upside behind Lawrence.

He had the size, the arm strength, a lot of good intangibles as well, good athlete to. Nobody said his celling was "above average". High bust potential because he was so raw tho.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
So what you are saying is, we gave up 3 first round picks for a slightly above average QB?

What is it about him that made Shanahan & Lynch give up all of that draft capital to trade up for Trey Lance?

They believed in what they didn't see. But hoped that they would see.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
What is it about him that made Shanahan & Lynch give up all of that draft capital to trade up for Trey Lance?

Its obvious that they were looking for a QB that was the polar opposite of what they currently had. Its basically the same thing that happened with the Chiefs. Both teams saw that they were being held back by mediocre at best QBs, so they went with a QB that they thought could provide much more than their current starter. It worked out for one team, and was a disaster for the other.

I'll be shocked if he ever starts meaningful games.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I'll be shocked if he ever starts meaningful games.

I would be shocked if he doesn't. All of these young QBs who bust with their first team get another chance at some point.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I'll be shocked if he ever starts meaningful games.

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