Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by KittleMeThis:
I agree.

But as for OL. they're supposed to play as a unit and having Trent and Mack on the OL i think will change it all. i expect better blocking in the passing and run as soon as they're put out there.

oh,, i agree with trent and mack. the depth worries me but i guess it does with all nfl teams

Yea, that's definitely a concern. they signed so many veterans too plus drafting a few.

Now Banks is out for a little bit so that sucks.

Originally posted by cciowa:
oh,, i agree with trent and mack. the depth worries me but i guess it does with all nfl teams

you know what.. i hate this post by cc.,... no.. i do not care about other teams... i only care about our team. our hill. our beans, the hell with other teams... we need to find a way to improve depth by at least looking for some guys in the next two weeks that could help us, screw your opinion on other teams cc

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Joecool:
But my evaluation of his play Saturday:

1. Late on throws
2. Seeing it then throwing it
3. Pocket awareness was weak. Didn't feels the sack coming.

Kind of like Alex Smith his rookie year.

lol it's crazy how some people saw that game.

Yes he was late on a couple of throws, yes he needs to see the blitz coming and go to his checkdown but talk about overreaction.

Yeah. It's not like he had a perfect game by any means. I would give him a B to B-. Should have been 9-14 100+ yards and a TD. Not his fault the WRs dropped perfect passes.

But I really think people struggle to isolate the players they want to evaluate. And why is that?

Because it's really really f**king hard to do!

People get paid a lot of money to evaluate players and they still draft busts in the first round every year.

+2 INT's. Let's be objective here.

You're overreacting NC...even though there was literally no reaction in your post.

LMAO. Just want to evaluate these young kids fairly. In fact, I have more fun talking about where these kids CAN grow because we saw the flashes already. And we know the "talent" and "skill set" already.

Yeah, I could give two s**ts about performing well on shot plays that are designed to break coverage. I care more about the plays that are expected to be performed on a higher volume throughout games. Lance has a long way to go. We all had far-fetched hopes that he would come out like a 10 year vet. He didn't because he's not. BUT, he showed some things that he needs to and most likely will improve upon.

Saturday simply showed that he is not ready yet, not that he will never be ready. Don't know why some see pointing out areas of deficiency as no room for improvement.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Tman:
So who are the top 3 QBs playing right now…..Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes? What do they all have in common besides winning SBs

Not saying this the tried and true method but it does lead to future success

All those guys show is development helps. I think Brady and Rodgers sitting was a big help for them but another thing all those guys had in common they started a lot of games in college.

Brady played in 29 games at Michigan
Rodgers played in 25 games at Cal
Mahomes played in 32 games at Texas Tech

Lance played in 17 games at NDSU

Lance needs the game snaps because his development is further back than most of those guys. It's a tough situation because there are clearly things he has to work on but it's hard to work on those things when you're not actually playing.

I think that's even more reason to let him sit.

That wasn't really my point. It's a balancing act. We're a talented roster with a shot at the SB if we limit mistakes and take advantage of Kyle's scheme. However Lance also makes this offense from legit to dangerous so you need to get him out there in some capacity to have him grow.

Brady grew as a QB more by playing. Rodgers sat for a while and worked on his mechanics so he hit the ground running.

Lance needs to work on his mechanics but he also needs game reps. You can work on mechanics in the offseason but game reps you can only get by playing.

Kyle will have to see what improvements Trey makes before week 1. If he thinks he's made enough where his talents overcome things he still has to work on then he'll start. If he thinks Trey still hasn't shown enough of the little things where he thinks Jimmy gives them the less potential for mistakes and better chance to win games then Jimmy will get the starting job and Trey will see the field for some plays.

Right, good post. We have a shot at a Super Bowl this year if we limit mistakes just like you said. Those SB shots are few and far between like we all know to well. So if we need to limit the mistakes why start such a young, albeit super talented, inexperienced qb? Makes a whole lot more sense to ride the veteran who was here for our last SB visit.

There is wisdom in both approaches in developing Trey, I'm just on a different side then you

Jimmy isn't exactly mistake proof. By PFF's calculations he's in the top 10 for rate of turnover-worthy plays over the last two years despite having one of the lowest ADoTs during that same time.

No qb is mistake proof lol

Originally posted by Tman:
I hear you it was/is a weakness of his but did he just sit around twiddling his thumbs during practice? You don't think he worked on that at all while Brady started? Did the qb coach solely work with Brady and the gameplan?

Talk about a lazy take

Well clearly he didn't work on it enough if it's still an issues 8 yrs into his career, no?

Starters get the majority of the snaps in season…go read what Jimmy said he learned. Mostly how to prepare like a pro.

people in here like to pretend that they're gonna be some massively better player by "sitting" and overall that's simply not true.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by NCommand:
+2 INT's. Let's be objective here.

Which probably wouldn't have happened to begin with If the receivers didn't keep drop drive killing passes.

The dropped passes had nothing to do with the two near INTs. Different drives.

Ya he had some mistakes.

I still think that it's Jimmy's job to lose. Unless Trey just looks amazing in the next preseason games, I doubt that Jimmy doesn't start.

Being that it was his first experience in the NFL, those near INTs are good reps to learn from. Perhaps at NDSU he could fit those passes into those same tight windows where those FCS defenders can't react in time, or didn't have the athleticism to make a play on the ball. He's learning what his arm can and can't do in the NFL.

Yep. I thought the same thing when he threw it down the middle between those 2 defenders, he was just testing it out.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Yeah, I could give two s**ts about performing well on shot plays that are designed to break coverage. I care more about the plays that are expected to be performed on a higher volume throughout games. Lance has a long way to go. We all had far-fetched hopes that he would come out like a 10 year vet. He didn't because he's not. BUT, he showed some things that he needs to and most likely will improve upon.

Saturday simply showed that he is not ready yet, not that he will never be ready. Don't know why some see pointing out areas of deficiency as no room for improvement.

As with all 49er starting QBs, you have to be careful how you phrase things or it will be categorized as 'hate' or 'homerism'. We are webzone vets, we know the drill.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Joecool:
But my evaluation of his play Saturday:

1. Late on throws
2. Seeing it then throwing it
3. Pocket awareness was weak. Didn't feels the sack coming.

Kind of like Alex Smith his rookie year.

lol it's crazy how some people saw that game.

Yes he was late on a couple of throws, yes he needs to see the blitz coming and go to his checkdown but talk about overreaction.

Yeah. It's not like he had a perfect game by any means. I would give him a B to B-. Should have been 9-14 100+ yards and a TD. Not his fault the WRs dropped perfect passes.

But I really think people struggle to isolate the players they want to evaluate. And why is that?

Because it's really really f**king hard to do!

People get paid a lot of money to evaluate players and they still draft busts in the first round every year.

+2 INT's. Let's be objective here.

You're overreacting NC...even though there was literally no reaction in your post.

LMAO. Just want to evaluate these young kids fairly. In fact, I have more fun talking about where these kids CAN grow because we saw the flashes already. And we know the "talent" and "skill set" already.

Yeah, I could give two s**ts about performing well on shot plays that are designed to break coverage. I care more about the plays that are expected to be performed on a higher volume throughout games. Lance has a long way to go. We all had far-fetched hopes that he would come out like a 10 year vet. He didn't because he's not. BUT, he showed some things that he needs to and most likely will improve upon.

Saturday simply showed that he is not ready yet, not that he will never be ready. Don't know why some see pointing out areas of deficiency as no room for improvement.

Well said in my opinion.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Yeah, I could give two s**ts about performing well on shot plays that are designed to break coverage. I care more about the plays that are expected to be performed on a higher volume throughout games. Lance has a long way to go. We all had far-fetched hopes that he would come out like a 10 year vet. He didn't because he's not. BUT, he showed some things that he needs to and most likely will improve upon.

Saturday simply showed that he is not ready yet, not that he will never be ready. Don't know why some see pointing out areas of deficiency as no room for improvement.

So Lance has a long way to go based off 29 snaps? How about we throw him out there with guys that will actually be playing on Sunday and running plays that use his skill set more?

I think that's a pretty overblown statement.

Lance looked about as expected. Flashed a few times, looked competent, but raw. Took some sacks due to crappy OL play and being told not to run. For his first game action in a long time, it was a good start.

Fans who are expecting him to just shove past Jimmy and be the starter week 1 are delusional. He's going to
be special, but he needs some time.

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Tman:
So who are the top 3 QBs playing right now…..Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes? What do they all have in common besides winning SBs

Not saying this the tried and true method but it does lead to future success

All those guys show is development helps. I think Brady and Rodgers sitting was a big help for them but another thing all those guys had in common they started a lot of games in college.

Brady played in 29 games at Michigan
Rodgers played in 25 games at Cal
Mahomes played in 32 games at Texas Tech

Lance played in 17 games at NDSU

Lance needs the game snaps because his development is further back than most of those guys. It's a tough situation because there are clearly things he has to work on but it's hard to work on those things when you're not actually playing.

I think that's even more reason to let him sit.

That wasn't really my point. It's a balancing act. We're a talented roster with a shot at the SB if we limit mistakes and take advantage of Kyle's scheme. However Lance also makes this offense from legit to dangerous so you need to get him out there in some capacity to have him grow.

Brady grew as a QB more by playing. Rodgers sat for a while and worked on his mechanics so he hit the ground running.

Lance needs to work on his mechanics but he also needs game reps. You can work on mechanics in the offseason but game reps you can only get by playing.

Kyle will have to see what improvements Trey makes before week 1. If he thinks he's made enough where his talents overcome things he still has to work on then he'll start. If he thinks Trey still hasn't shown enough of the little things where he thinks Jimmy gives them the less potential for mistakes and better chance to win games then Jimmy will get the starting job and Trey will see the field for some plays.

Right, good post. We have a shot at a Super Bowl this year if we limit mistakes just like you said. Those SB shots are few and far between like we all know to well. So if we need to limit the mistakes why start such a young, albeit super talented, inexperienced qb? Makes a whole lot more sense to ride the veteran who was here for our last SB visit.

There is wisdom in both approaches in developing Trey, I'm just on a different side then you

Jimmy isn't exactly mistake proof. By PFF's calculations he's in the top 10 for rate of turnover-worthy plays over the last two years despite having one of the lowest ADoTs during that same time.

No qb is mistake proof lol

No QB is mistake proof, right, but relative to his peers, Jimmy is mistake prone. Top 10 in turnover rate is not good, especially for someone who doesn't really take chances down the field or outside the numbers.

Originally posted by Niners99:
Lance looked about as expected. Flashed a few times, looked competent, but raw. Took some sacks due to crappy OL play and being told not to run. For his first game action in a long time, it was a good start.

Fans who are expecting him to just shove past Jimmy and be the starter week 1 are delusional. He's going to
be special, but he needs some time.

Very much so. I for one am excited to see how he performs next game. Hopefully we'll see a better overall performance from the Offense.

Originally posted by Tman:
Right, good post. We have a shot at a Super Bowl this year if we limit mistakes just like you said. Those SB shots are few and far between like we all know to well. So if we need to limit the mistakes why start such a young, albeit super talented, inexperienced qb? Makes a whole lot more sense to ride the veteran who was here for our last SB visit.

There is wisdom in both approaches in developing Trey, I'm just on a different side then you

Because our not so young, less talented, more experienced QB makes these mistakes too.

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Tman:
So who are the top 3 QBs playing right now…..Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes? What do they all have in common besides winning SBs

Not saying this the tried and true method but it does lead to future success

All those guys show is development helps. I think Brady and Rodgers sitting was a big help for them but another thing all those guys had in common they started a lot of games in college.

Brady played in 29 games at Michigan
Rodgers played in 25 games at Cal
Mahomes played in 32 games at Texas Tech

Lance played in 17 games at NDSU

Lance needs the game snaps because his development is further back than most of those guys. It's a tough situation because there are clearly things he has to work on but it's hard to work on those things when you're not actually playing.

I think that's even more reason to let him sit.

That wasn't really my point. It's a balancing act. We're a talented roster with a shot at the SB if we limit mistakes and take advantage of Kyle's scheme. However Lance also makes this offense from legit to dangerous so you need to get him out there in some capacity to have him grow.

Brady grew as a QB more by playing. Rodgers sat for a while and worked on his mechanics so he hit the ground running.

Lance needs to work on his mechanics but he also needs game reps. You can work on mechanics in the offseason but game reps you can only get by playing.

Kyle will have to see what improvements Trey makes before week 1. If he thinks he's made enough where his talents overcome things he still has to work on then he'll start. If he thinks Trey still hasn't shown enough of the little things where he thinks Jimmy gives them the less potential for mistakes and better chance to win games then Jimmy will get the starting job and Trey will see the field for some plays.

Right, good post. We have a shot at a Super Bowl this year if we limit mistakes just like you said. Those SB shots are few and far between like we all know to well. So if we need to limit the mistakes why start such a young, albeit super talented, inexperienced qb? Makes a whole lot more sense to ride the veteran who was here for our last SB visit.

There is wisdom in both approaches in developing Trey, I'm just on a different side then you

I get where you're coming from.

The only thing I'll say which makes me excited is preseason was super vanilla. Really the one play where Lance used the skills which got him drafted so high ended up being the 80 yard TD.

We know once the real games start not only would Trey play with the starters but he would also have Kyle dialing up plays to confuse the hell out of the offense and give the QB easy looks.

So the fact that on the play where we saw the closest to that type of situation resulted in a huge TD is very encouraging. His struggles in the 2 minute offense are understandable. That's more - GO GO GO situation where it's up to the QB to make fast paced decisions and understand that you need to move the ball quickly.

Trey is very smart but obviously it takes time to get the offense to the point where you almost don't have to think. Guys like Brady/Brees/Manning were still working on their craft late in their careers and still had moments where they miss in those situations. I'm actually glad we saw him struggle there because it just means he'll drill down on stuff like that even more.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Tman:
Right, good post. We have a shot at a Super Bowl this year if we limit mistakes just like you said. Those SB shots are few and far between like we all know to well. So if we need to limit the mistakes why start such a young, albeit super talented, inexperienced qb? Makes a whole lot more sense to ride the veteran who was here for our last SB visit.

There is wisdom in both approaches in developing Trey, I'm just on a different side then you

Because our not so young, less talented, more experienced QB makes these mistakes too.

That's my take too