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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
It's literally 50/50 you could argue either way which type of QB is injured more than the other. But if you wanna talk what type of QB has more Super Bowl rings, most definitely the pocket passer!!!

That too will change over the next 20 years too.

God, can you imagine what football will be like in 20 years? LOL

Brady has 10 more rings before being sponsored by AARP?
I'm still a fan of jimmy but we hit it out of the park with this pick.

Let the young man sit and watch jimmy. I saw on the almost pick he has a little bit of a windup. If they could fix that he already has a rifle and he can hit those tight windows
Originally posted by NCommand:
From your first reference:

In other words, one cannot predict from observed data that a signal-caller like 2019 MVP Lamar Jackson is more prone to injuries simply because he runs more than other NFL passers.

Sure you can. He's literally injured every year.

What you quoted says data does not support the conclusion a running QB is more prone to injuries than a non-running QB. What you quoted does not say a running QB does not get hurt.

You concluded causation when what you used as evidence for said conclusion states there is no causal link. QBs get injured. And Lamar Jackson, being both a running QB, and oft injured QB, does not prove causation. Causation must be determined, not assumed.
Originally posted by Polkadots:
Originally posted by NCommand:
From your first reference:

In other words, one cannot predict from observed data that a signal-caller like 2019 MVP Lamar Jackson is more prone to injuries simply because he runs more than other NFL passers.

Sure you can. He's literally injured every year.

What you quoted says data does not support the conclusion a running QB is more prone to injuries than a non-running QB. What you quoted does not say a running QB does not get hurt.

You concluded causation when what you used as evidence for said conclusion states there is no causal link. QBs get injured. And Lamar Jackson, being both a running QB, and oft injured QB, does not prove causation. Causation must be determined, not assumed.

Your wrong. NC is right
True true.

Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by Polkadots:
Originally posted by NCommand:
From your first reference:

In other words, one cannot predict from observed data that a signal-caller like 2019 MVP Lamar Jackson is more prone to injuries simply because he runs more than other NFL passers.

Sure you can. He's literally injured every year.

What you quoted says data does not support the conclusion a running QB is more prone to injuries than a non-running QB. What you quoted does not say a running QB does not get hurt.

You concluded causation when what you used as evidence for said conclusion states there is no causal link. QBs get injured. And Lamar Jackson, being both a running QB, and oft injured QB, does not prove causation. Causation must be determined, not assumed.

Your wrong. NC is right

Heeyohhh
Originally posted by Polkadots:
Originally posted by NCommand:
From your first reference:

In other words, one cannot predict from observed data that a signal-caller like 2019 MVP Lamar Jackson is more prone to injuries simply because he runs more than other NFL passers.

Sure you can. He's literally injured every year.

What you quoted says data does not support the conclusion a running QB is more prone to injuries than a non-running QB. What you quoted does not say a running QB does not get hurt.

You concluded causation when what you used as evidence for said conclusion states there is no causal link. QBs get injured. And Lamar Jackson, being both a running QB, and oft injured QB, does not prove causation. Causation must be determined, not assumed.

The topic was based on probability, not causation.
  • fan49
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Originally posted by Crown:
"JG is never a threat"

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What does he do that scares defenses? Don't say win because He went to the Super Bowl he did not take us. The running game and defense did that. So again what does jimmy do talent wise that defenses are afraid of?
Originally posted by fan49:
Originally posted by Crown:
"JG is never a threat"

his starting record enters the chat

What does he do that scares defenses? Don't say win because He went to the Super Bowl he did not take us. The running game and defense did that. So again what does jimmy do talent wise that defenses are afraid of?
Without jimmy, we wouldn't have made it that far
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Originally posted by eastie:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Because our not so young, less talented, more experienced QB makes these mistakes too.

This, absolutely this.

People forget also forget that our run game is our foundation.

Wait until Trey is adding to it, and then dropping bombs when the D creeps up.

This is the way.

It seems that many are ignoring that the kid should of had three picks in that game. It's as if those throws didn't even happen. He's not ready yet. This is a super bowl caliber roster. The coaches aren't going to sacrifice this roster just to get the rook more playing time. He can learn plenty during the season as QB2. When the coaches say he's ready, he'll start. JG is looking plenty sharp. If our o-line comes together, this may be a super year. Go Niners!

Plenty sharp throwing the ball 5 yards lol. I'll say it again Jimmy Garoppolo can go to the Super Bowl with this roster. He will not take this roster to the Super Bowl this roster will take him to the Super Bowl

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
The other possibility is that you reinforce those tendencies to get sloppy if you throw him out there before he's ready, especially if he starts taking regular beatings and stops looking down the field.

I agree with this statement it's just a decision to make do we let a rookie make the mistakes or do we let Jimmy. They're both gonna make mistakes. Jimmy still makes rookie mistakes
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Without jimmy, we wouldn't have made it that far

So are you saying Jimmy took us to the Super Bowl? His touchdown ratio to interceptions is 2 to 1. That is no good and those are bonehead mistakes. Those are rookie mistakes. My point is and always will be Jimmy's talent is not a threat to any defense. We have receivers that will get yards after Catch, But I'd love a quarterback that's a threat that we don't have to rely on yards after catch. So with a 2-1 touchdown to interception ratio Do we let Jimmy make the mistakes or do we let the rookie it's a hard decision. But I think I almost know that if we don't give Tray time with the ones In preseason and practice we are doing our team a disservice
Originally posted by NCommand:
2.7s is plenty of time in Kyle's 2.5s offense.


That 2.5s Kyle offense will change once Trey takes over fasho
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Just start Garoppolo. He will win you games this season with a healthy team. And he might even lead the team to the Superbowl. This way you don´t risk to burn Trey Lance in his rookie season. You keep an ace in your sleeve if you need a change of pace during the season.
And like I said after the Chiefs game, if Lance has to only play behind the second team o-line, just don´t play him at all. It´s stupid to risk an injury on a meaningless preseason game. You want to play Trey and see his level? Play him with the first team.
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Originally posted by pdc20:
Just start Garoppolo. He will win you games this season with a healthy team. And he might even lead the team to the Superbowl. This way you don´t risk to burn Trey Lance in his rookie season. You keep an ace in your sleeve if you need a change of pace during the season.
And like I said after the Chiefs game, if Lance has to only play behind the second team o-line, just don´t play him at all. It´s stupid to risk an injury on a meaningless preseason game. You want to play Trey and see his level? Play him with the first team.

Yeah, you have to play Trey with the first unit.
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