Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Just my .02 cents but I just watched replay of the game for the first time and I came away actually disappointed in what I saw from Lance. For different reasons but he didn't look particularly sharp to me.
That being said, no big deal and I love the kid. Looking forward to watching him grow

Originally posted by raywm3:
Just my .02 cents but I just watched replay of the game for the first time and I came away actually disappointed in what I saw from Lance. For different reasons but he didn't look particularly sharp to me.
That being said, no big deal and I love the kid. Looking forward to watching him grow

I think he was a little hyped, over throwing receivers and what not. He'll be fine.

Originally posted by NCommand:
2.7s is plenty of time in Kyle's 2.5s offense.

Rookie QB avg time to throw

1. Wilson 2.4s (0 sk)
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2. Jones 2.6s (1 sk)
3. Lawrence 2.7s (2 sk)
4. Lance 2.7s (4 sk)
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5. Fields 3.8s (0 sk)

49ers 40.1 pass blk grade (🤮)
Bears 73.4. Fields was nice avoiding sacks but had help

— George Chahrouri (@PFF_George) August 16, 2021

PFF's job as a business is to constantly serve up red meat. Too bad some can't understand this..... Or are just desperate and will literally post anything and everything if it seems like it supports their staff.

But until the regular season where our game plan is to actually try and win, these #s mean zilch. Even during the season they don't mean much until drop back time is able to accumulate for a legit comparison (200 drop backs or so?). But one preseason game? Lol...Seriously...

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by raywm3:
Just my .02 cents but I just watched replay of the game for the first time and I came away actually disappointed in what I saw from Lance. For different reasons but he didn't look particularly sharp to me.
That being said, no big deal and I love the kid. Looking forward to watching him grow

I think he was a little hyped, over throwing receivers and what not. He'll be fine.

He also hasn't played real football in almost 18 months. People need to chill.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I think it's close to 50/50 on people wanting Trey to start game one.

I'm not one of those people even though I've been pushing to draft him for months.

What I and I assume many people disagree with your post is that you can make the claim that he's not ready and Jimmy G is. When Jimmy himself throws at least 2-4 potential bonehead picks every game.

If all you're saying is that we should start Jimmy and let it play out naturally… I agree somewhat. But claiming he threw 3 potential picks is 1. Inaccurate and 2. Doesn't help your case that Jimmy is "ready" when he does the same things.

Over-exaggerate much?

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
These are the nuanced things that he needs to learn and you gotta play to figure it out

I think this is where Trey Lance's play started to fall off a little in his preseason debut. Chiefs bring 6 at 49ers 5 in protection, Trey is hot off the left. The 1 step "Now Slant" from #22 at the bottom is his hot receiver. Wouldn't be a big gain, but needs to know he's hot pic.twitter.com/SS17wCXAPz

— Alex Rollins (@AlexRollinsNFL) August 16, 2021

Here's another. These plays are a bit worrisome because struggles to hit his hot vs blitzes also showed up in college. I highlighted a similar play at NDSU where he failed to look for his hot despite an obviously impending blitz. Hopefully, it's something he can figure out.

Lance has enough time to beat the blitz by getting the ball out quick to Jennings pic.twitter.com/x0d5bycqO9

— Jack Hammer (@JackHammer_NFL) August 16, 2021

He's got a guy in his face as soon as he finishes his drop on both of those plays. Not many QBs are getting that ball out. To say he has 'enough time' is a bit of a stretch. The blitz pressure wouldn't even matter if the inside guys weren't getting beaten so badly.

Originally posted by random49er:
The unfortunate truth is our starter will miss open guys and absorb sacks as well.

Not a blitz in both cases but guys were open in both cases,....and this is without marching orders to stay put in the pocket.




They both are certainly not perfect, but then again I don't know what QB is.

Yikes, these are horrible examples.

Play #1: You're not looking for a hot route on a 4 man rush. He needs more than two seconds to throw the ball. If you don't even have time to see that the 1st read isn't open and move to the second, there isn't much you can do.

Play #2: He found the open guy and the pass was batted at the line. Not sure how that is on him.

Listening to Simms break Lance down...you can tell this dude is still upset the 49ers didn't take Jones.

"Every throw is the same throw"

Such a clown. Blaming Aiyuk's drop on Lance launching a fastball in there running at him full speed 8 yards away.

Yeah...that's exactly what happened Chris.

Originally posted by genus49:
Listening to Simms break Lance down...you can tell this dude is still upset the 49ers didn't take Jones.

"Every throw is the same throw"

Such a clown. Blaming Aiyuk's drop on Lance launching a fastball in there running at him full speed 8 yards away.

Yeah...that's exactly what happened Chris.

Simms is a pompous idiot. You would think if he was that knowledgable he wouldn't have been such a scrub in the NFL. At the end of the day, all these experts go on their gut feelings or just copy the next guys lists.

Simms has a confidence and pretentiousness about him that lead people to believe that he's a QB guru. Many on this website fell for it.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
These are the nuanced things that he needs to learn and you gotta play to figure it out

I think this is where Trey Lance's play started to fall off a little in his preseason debut. Chiefs bring 6 at 49ers 5 in protection, Trey is hot off the left. The 1 step "Now Slant" from #22 at the bottom is his hot receiver. Wouldn't be a big gain, but needs to know he's hot pic.twitter.com/SS17wCXAPz

— Alex Rollins (@AlexRollinsNFL) August 16, 2021

Here's another. These plays are a bit worrisome because struggles to hit his hot vs blitzes also showed up in college. I highlighted a similar play at NDSU where he failed to look for his hot despite an obviously impending blitz. Hopefully, it's something he can figure out.

Lance has enough time to beat the blitz by getting the ball out quick to Jennings pic.twitter.com/x0d5bycqO9

— Jack Hammer (@JackHammer_NFL) August 16, 2021

He's got a guy in his face as soon as he finishes his drop on both of those plays. Not many QBs are getting that ball out. To say he has 'enough time' is a bit of a stretch. The blitz pressure wouldn't even matter if the inside guys weren't getting beaten so badly.

That is definitely concerning. Hopefully reps take care of this because the ball should have been out fast.

Looks like he wanted to go to the hot read, but he didn't have a clear passing lane.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Looks like he wanted to go to the hot read, but he didn't have a clear passing lane.

Exactly. If you've got a guy in your face as soon as you finish your drop, 95% of the time the ball isn't getting out.

doesn't appear to be able to manipulate the pocket well, one of my biggest worries. Inside the pocket mobility is way more important than the ability to pull it down and run. Manning, Brady, Brees, all those guys could climb the pocket and feel pressure coming before it happened, and even read Pre snap blitzes and what not. Hopefully it comes but he has a ways to go before looking comfortable in the pocket.

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
doesn't appear to be able to manipulate the pocket well, one of my biggest worries. Inside the pocket mobility is way more important than the ability to pull it down and run. Manning, Brady, Brees, all those guys could climb the pocket and feel pressure coming before it happened, and even read Pre snap blitzes and what not. Hopefully it comes but he has a ways to go before looking comfortable in the pocket.

That takes years to get good at

Originally posted by grapesofrathman:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
It's literally 50/50 you could argue either way which type of QB is injured more than the other. But if you wanna talk what type of QB has more Super Bowl rings, most definitely the pocket passer!!!

That too will change over the next 20 years too.

God, can you imagine what football will be like in 20 years? LOL

To paraphrase Greg Cosell on one specific thing I've heard him say over the radio on KNBR: "structured football is and will continue to be forefront to a team's success"

By structure, we're talking game planning, scheme, and playcalling, and not so much random elements that don't involve the aformentioned. That's why I kinda don't get it when people talk about how Kyle is a master at "scheming" receivers open and whatnot. The job of an offense is to stay a step ahead of the defense (and vice-versa). I don't think the objective here is to overrely on "athletes being athletes". This does not at all mean the entire immobile pocket QBs vs mobile QBs debate, but instead something more in the vein of a QB "understanding" what a defense is doing/trying to do before the snap, and confirming it post-snap OR understanding what actually is happening post-snap vs what they showed pre-snap, as opposed to maybe not necessarily grasping what the defense did after the snap and then trying to make up for it via scrambling, or maybe having way too much faith in your arm strength and accuracy and trying to fit in throws that you may swear are actually there.

Although I agree with what you've said, you're still failing to grasp what many others are.

The goal is to find players who excel BOTH within structure and outside of it if the play breaks down, you already said sometimes the D defense is one step ahead.

Jimmy is very good within structure, and very average outside of it (most of his interceptions happen when he ad-libs)

As it stands Trey hasn't proven to be great at either, but the signs show that when he develops he'll be great at both.

I want that development to start as soon as possible.