Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Goatie:
He was still having accuracy issues in the last practice throwing 9/15. He will improve but it won't be as fast as some are thinking on here. He will not be ready to be a starter by game one or for a while yet. Much more polishing from the coaches to come before that.

So if you consider 9/15, 6 incompletions, accuracy issues then what is Jimmy's 13/19, 6 incompletions with a pick?

Okay lets do it your way and make him start game one?

Is anyone taking odds if that happens he will end up like Rosen, RGIII and many others and be out of the league in 3-4 years. No one wants broken gunshy QB who got crushed in their rookie year.

Do you think Rosen would have been good if he had just sat a year?

Couldn't have been any worse

For the Cardinals it could have been. If they sat him it would have been at least 2 seasons before they realized their mistake.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Goatie:
He was still having accuracy issues in the last practice throwing 9/15. He will improve but it won't be as fast as some are thinking on here. He will not be ready to be a starter by game one or for a while yet. Much more polishing from the coaches to come before that.

So if you consider 9/15, 6 incompletions, accuracy issues then what is Jimmy's 13/19, 6 incompletions with a pick?

Okay lets do it your way and make him start game one?

Is anyone taking odds if that happens he will end up like Rosen, RGIII and many others and be out of the league in 3-4 years. No one wants broken gunshy QB who got crushed in their rookie year.

Do you think Rosen would have been good if he had just sat a year?

Couldn't have been any worse

For the Cardinals it could have been. If they sat him it would have been at least 2 seasons before they realized their mistake.

That's true but we were talking about Rosen specifically

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Tman:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Goatie:
He was still having accuracy issues in the last practice throwing 9/15. He will improve but it won't be as fast as some are thinking on here. He will not be ready to be a starter by game one or for a while yet. Much more polishing from the coaches to come before that.

So if you consider 9/15, 6 incompletions, accuracy issues then what is Jimmy's 13/19, 6 incompletions with a pick?

Okay lets do it your way and make him start game one?

Is anyone taking odds if that happens he will end up like Rosen, RGIII and many others and be out of the league in 3-4 years. No one wants broken gunshy QB who got crushed in their rookie year.

Do you think Rosen would have been good if he had just sat a year?

Couldn't have been any worse

No, he's a jerk that doesn't like to listen to people.

So it could have been worse?

Yeah, it could have been worse.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Warned you guys that all this excitement will create expectations....now most of you are being humbled

Don't worry..

This necessary?

My expectation hasnt changed. As soon as Kyle feels he is a starting caliber QB, he will start. And my opinion is that happens sometime in 2021.

I feel the same way but not if he plays the way he did this past Saturday. I wonder if Kyle is weighing the possibility on whether or not he can scheme wins with Lance for enough games to allow Lance to get comfortable and start controlling the offense.

But having said that, no rookie QB has ever won the SB. The ceiling of this team with Jimmy is SuperBowl win. History shows that is NOT the ceiling with a rookie QB.

I was with you until the bolded. Just because something hasn't happened before doesn't mean it can't.

The rookie QB never winning a Super Bowl so Lance can't perform better than Jimmy is the dumbest common take on this forum ATM.

Only this year, with this team, the ceiling for the success of this team is higher with Jimmy than it is with Lance. NOW, since the ceiling is the Super Bowl and not 6 wins, then the starter is a no brainer. NEXT year, the ceiling for the success of this team may be higher with Lance.

Even with your "only for this year" qualifier, it doesnt make what you are saying true. The idea that a rookie QB cant win a Superbowl is ridiculous. If we took this team and our rookie QB played at 2020 Justin Herbert level, can that team not win a Superbowl?

has a rookie won a SB ?

This is such a dumb take. Do better.

Lol let's make a bet this year. You got a rookie winning a SB right?

the rookie would need to start the majority of the regular season games

Shockingly, you continue to miss the point.

Shocking that you can't back what you claim

My claim: Just because a rookie QB has never won a Superbowl, doesn't mean one can't.

You: you can't back up what you claim

Jesus man. SMFH.

Shockingly I just reach for the popcorn

If one was to disagree with my statement that a rookie QB can win a Superbowl, one would have to believe it is a physical impossibility for it to happen.

Like, I can't believe someone could possibly disagree with my statement. All I ever said was that it is possible.

That and it's funny how people say a rookie has never won a Super Bowl but are so convinced Jimmy can take us back when if you look at the list of Qbs who've made more than one Super Bowl It's all HoF guys or going to be one except for like one guy in the 60s or 70s. And as much as I like jimmy he's not a HoF guy

49ers only start Trey if Jimmy 'earns benching'.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Who could have guessed that an ultra-talented 21 year old making his NFL debut while playing his second game in 581 days might be inconsistent? https://t.co/sCyKQkxqM2

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 17, 2021

49ers were about to trade him for Tebow before he got cut.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Who could have guessed that an ultra-talented 21 year old making his NFL debut while playing his second game in 581 days might be inconsistent? https://t.co/sCyKQkxqM2

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 17, 2021

49ers were about to trade him for Tebow before he got cut.

Should have drafted Mac Jones. Amirite?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Who could have guessed that an ultra-talented 21 year old making his NFL debut while playing his second game in 581 days might be inconsistent? https://t.co/sCyKQkxqM2

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 17, 2021

49ers were about to trade him for Tebow before he got cut.

Should have drafted Mac Jones. Amirite?

It's one game with 14 attempts.

BUT…

Ball location accuracy will be something to watch. Compared to Fields, Jones, and Wilson Lance had the highest rate of "uncatchable inaccurate" passes.

He's the upside QB. Which means he's got things to work on. https://t.co/sF8YC1x1j1

— Oscar Aparicio (@BetterRivals) August 17, 2021

OMG we made a huge mistake!

/s

Originally posted by Big_Daddy:
Are we going to ignore Chris Simms eval on Trey Lance??? Guess it's something people didn't want to hear.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/chris-simms-unbuttoned/id1454809704?i=1000532192253

from Simms.... "Trey has an amazing fastball. But every throw is a fastball. He hasn't learned how to drop it in behind the LBs with arc. He reminds me a bit of Kapernick when it comes to that".

mind you, this was his exact eval before the draft.

the guy needs to sit. He needs to learn the playbook. He needs to get better at situational football. And he needs to develop another pitch besides the fastball. Anyone thinking Trey is ready doesn't know football.

Yes we ignore it, Simms is still b*tthurt about being so wrong about Mac, and ranking Trey far too low and then having his BFF trade the world and take the guy he thought was the worst.

You know how this is so obvious? The guy and his Dad have a business where they teach kids to throw harder, stating that you always need to be able to throw harder to fit the ball into certain windows!

Trey had loads of touch on his passes, the one to Aiyuk was perfect, fast enough to get there but still wasn't rifled. Pass from the goal line to Woerner had beautiful touch.

The only ones that weren't couldn't be, the two misses to Benjamin who had 0 separation and the dart to Richie James that had to have heat to get there.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Big_Daddy:
Are we going to ignore Chris Simms eval on Trey Lance??? Guess it's something people didn't want to hear.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/chris-simms-unbuttoned/id1454809704?i=1000532192253

from Simms.... "Trey has an amazing fastball. But every throw is a fastball. He hasn't learned how to drop it in behind the LBs with arc. He reminds me a bit of Kapernick when it comes to that".

mind you, this was his exact eval before the draft.

the guy needs to sit. He needs to learn the playbook. He needs to get better at situational football. And he needs to develop another pitch besides the fastball. Anyone thinking Trey is ready doesn't know football.

Yes we ignore it, Simms is still b*tthurt about being so wrong about Mac, and ranking Trey far too low and then having BFF trade the world and take the guy he thought was the worst.

You know how this is so obvious? The guy and his Dad have a business where they teach kids to throw harder, stating that you always need to be able to throw harder to fit the ball into certain windows!

Trey had loads of touch on his passes, the one to Aiyuk was perfect, fast enough to get there but still wasn't rifled. Pass from the goal line to Woerner had beautiful touch.

The only ones that weren't couldn't be, the two misses to Benjamin who had 0 separation and the dart to Richie James that had to have heat to get there.

Don't forget about the pass out of the end zone that gave us a big gainer. That pass had tremendous touch on it. I think the whole thing is being overblown.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Trey Lance throw accuracy in his preseason debut:

🎯 39% "perfect" (1st among QBs)
🎢 46% "uncatchable" (3rd worst) pic.twitter.com/XnprZaqrQp

— PFF (@PFF) August 17, 2021

This is amongst all QBs, not just rookies. When his mechanics were dialed in, his accuracy was perfect, but I think as the rush and the excitement started to get to him his mechanics started to get a bit sloppy.

I'm not sure how they calculate these though. How do you get a 46% from 14 passes.

At worst, he had 5 (36%) uncatchable throws. You could maybe argue 6 (43%), but I think the last incompletion on the slant to Benjamin was catchable.

1 - drop by Aiyuk
2 - TD to Sherfield
3 - completed short pass to Gallman
4 - completed End zone throw to Woerner
5 - Drop by Cracraft
6 - completed out route to Cracraft
7 - Drop by James
8 - overthrow to James
9 - near pick to Woerner
10 - overthrow to Woerner
11 - completed dump off to Sermon
12 - near pick
13 - incomplete sideline to Benjamin
14 - incomplete slant to Benjamin

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Trey Lance throw accuracy in his preseason debut:

🎯 39% "perfect" (1st among QBs)
🎢 46% "uncatchable" (3rd worst) pic.twitter.com/XnprZaqrQp

— PFF (@PFF) August 17, 2021

This is amongst all QBs, not just rookies. When his mechanics were dialed in, his accuracy was perfect, but I think as the rush and the excitement started to get to him his mechanics started to get a bit sloppy.

I'm not sure how they calculate these though. How do you get a 46% from 14 passes.

At worst, he had 5 (36%) uncatchable throws. You could maybe argue 6 (43%), but I think the last incompletion on the slant to Benjamin was catchable.

1 - drop by Aiyuk
2 - TD to Sherfield
3 - completed short pass to Gallman
4 - completed End zone throw to Woerner
5 - Drop by Cracraft
6 - completed out route to Cracraft
7 - Drop by James
8 - overthrow to James
9 - near pick to Woerner
10 - overthrow to Woerner
11 - completed dump off to Sermon
12 - near pick
13 - incomplete sideline to Benjamin
14 - incomplete slant to Benjamin

If you ask Chris Simms he puts the Aiyuk drop and others on Lance...

How that dude gets so much respect I don't understand. Guess because he says things with such conviction that it comes off to some who didn't watch things as truth?

Wilson didn't have any hurry up offense snaps. That's when rookie's are at their worst because they have to process information that much faster. Fields had a few snaps but Dolphins played him completely differently than the Chiefs played us. Chiefs are an attacking defense even in those situations and one of the near picks Lance threw(Crock broke it down very well) they baited the hell out of him by giving him a man look on that side before the DB released into zone and almost picked him. Dolphins basically played prevent, rushed 2-3 and allowed him to take all the underneath stuff he wanted with 0 pressure.

I don't remember Jones' game at this point but he did what you'd expect for the most part.

Also that stat shows him to be the top guy at accurate throws as well. We all knew there would be inconsistency. It was his first game vs a team who is a SB favorite and as a result becomes pretty deep...hell Baker is a former first round pick, playing with their 2s/3s. And I'm pretty sure I saw Juan Thornhill out there with the backups as well.

No reason for people to panic. This was all expected and personally I'd rather have Lance going through some adversity vs thinking "This NFL thing is pretty easy"

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Warned you guys that all this excitement will create expectations....now most of you are being humbled

Don't worry..

This necessary?

My expectation hasnt changed. As soon as Kyle feels he is a starting caliber QB, he will start. And my opinion is that happens sometime in 2021.

I mean let's be honest...there were people in here who called anyone who didn't claim Lance should start week 1 as haters.

So yeah, it's kind of necessary.

This fanbase needed a bit of a reality check and a reminder that while Trey is a highly talented player, that doesn't automatically mean he's infallible or automatically ready to play over a guy who may not offer the same things athletically.

BUT there are still 2 more games in preseason and like 4 weeks before week 1. Trey has time to show he's ready to go but there is clearly room for improvement and every 49ers fan should be rooting for that to happen.

The more of these PFF type stats that pop up, the quicker people are ready to crown or write off a player it seems. Looking forward to the Chargers game.