Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by boast:

"If they go with Jimmy, then they're probably going to end up competing for a playoff spot. If it's Trey and he ascends, then they are going to be competing for a division title. If it's Trey and he's not that good, then build for next year." By @SandoNFLhttps://t.co/RB8hVUeLPJ

— Matt Barrows (@mattbarrows) September 3, 2021

That's Sando's words right? I think they are competing for a title with jimmy.

That's supposed to be a quote from an unnamed NFL exec.

Originally posted by Overkill:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by boast:

"If they go with Jimmy, then they're probably going to end up competing for a playoff spot. If it's Trey and he ascends, then they are going to be competing for a division title. If it's Trey and he's not that good, then build for next year." By @SandoNFLhttps://t.co/RB8hVUeLPJ

— Matt Barrows (@mattbarrows) September 3, 2021

That's Sando's words right? I think they are competing for a title with jimmy.

That's supposed to be a quote from an unnamed NFL exec.

Ah gotcha. Kind of underselling the team and jimmy, but mainly the team imo. But we shall see

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Planned qb Rotation either within a game or between games is the dumbest idea ive ever heard. No one has ever been successful with it. Ever. Were not going to do that. Good way to ruin two qbs at the same time.

And im not talking about situational substitution.

Not a big fan of Szu Tzu I see…

even if Szu Tzu

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
These JG fans are out of control...

imagine being on the side making up s**t about Jimmy's neuro plasticity and then calling the people pointing out how ridiculous that kind of anti-Jimmy bias is "out of control"

Imagine denying what is both scientifically shown to be true (presented with links to scientific studies) AND patently obvious to see in the world around us (that after you leave the teenage years, certain things become harder to learn due to how the human brain develops).

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Come on man, denying Jimmy is turnover prone is like denying the sky is blue.

you dont really seem to understand the context of that post within the discussion. it's not surprising.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Overkill:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by boast:

"If they go with Jimmy, then they're probably going to end up competing for a playoff spot. If it's Trey and he ascends, then they are going to be competing for a division title. If it's Trey and he's not that good, then build for next year." By @SandoNFLhttps://t.co/RB8hVUeLPJ

— Matt Barrows (@mattbarrows) September 3, 2021

That's Sando's words right? I think they are competing for a title with jimmy.

That's supposed to be a quote from an unnamed NFL exec.

Ah gotcha. Kind of underselling the team and jimmy, but mainly the team imo. But we shall see

2 of the 5 ranked us as the #9 & #10 team in the NFC.

I hope their respective coaches & locker rooms feel the same way.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
These JG fans are out of control...

imagine being on the side making up s**t about Jimmy's neuro plasticity and then calling the people pointing out how ridiculous that kind of anti-Jimmy bias is "out of control"

Imagine denying what is both scientifically shown to be true (presented with links to scientific studies) AND patently obvious to see in the world around us (that after you leave the teenage years, certain things become harder to learn due to how the human brain develops).

dude STFU about neuro plasticity. unless you have Jimmy's CT scans and know how to read them you dont know s**t in regards to Jimmy's brain.

Originally posted by boast:
dude STFU about neuro plasticity. unless you have Jimmy's CT scans and know how to read them you dont know s**t in regards to Jimmy's brain.

Just going by trends in the world around us, and development trends in our player, who I will no longer discuss in this thread because of this:

Originally posted by thl408:
Let's move the Jimmy specific talk to his thread.

Sorry man, I respond as I read. Didn't see this prior to my other posts.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Planned qb Rotation either within a game or between games is the dumbest idea ive ever heard. No one has ever been successful with it. Ever. Were not going to do that. Good way to ruin two qbs at the same time.

And im not talking about situational substitution.

Not a big fan of Szu Tzu I see…

Are you talking about a dog or the ancient chinese philosopher whose martial philosophy has no clear application to modern football.

Oh c'mon that was an easy one… be where your enemy is not… the concept that no one has won using a two QB system is that someone has created an offense yet that makes it more beneficial than a single QB.

To be fair, this is just a bridge until Lance is the full time starter.

Pros of Trey as a red zone QB:

His legs
Play calls he opens up
His arm strength is a real asset in these tight windows

Cons:

Those tight windows mean anticipation is very important, and few rookies do well with that consistently.
The short field gives the potential for aggressive coverages Trey may not be ready for.

I can't think of any other cons, and Trey could just use his legs if he gets confused. The main worry is INTs because he didn't see the coverage right or didn't anticipate right, but with that ridiculous arm, maybe it won't be much of a problem.

Originally posted by Overkill:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Overkill:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by boast:

"If they go with Jimmy, then they're probably going to end up competing for a playoff spot. If it's Trey and he ascends, then they are going to be competing for a division title. If it's Trey and he's not that good, then build for next year." By @SandoNFLhttps://t.co/RB8hVUeLPJ

— Matt Barrows (@mattbarrows) September 3, 2021

That's Sando's words right? I think they are competing for a title with jimmy.

That's supposed to be a quote from an unnamed NFL exec.

Ah gotcha. Kind of underselling the team and jimmy, but mainly the team imo. But we shall see

2 of the 5 ranked us as the #9 & #10 team in the NFC.

I hope their respective coaches & locker rooms feel the same way.

Just read the athletic article. Overall they were at 5, which I can understand, even if I don't necessarily agree . But 9/10 is crazy lol.

this part is a bit contradictory. Saying they have average skill, but then saying they are really good when healthy …

"They've got a good (offensive) line, I think they have a great pass rush," one voter said. "They have an average secondary and some good playmakers on defense. They have average skill, but part of the problem with their skill is, and this is the problem with their whole roster, yeah, when these guys are healthy, they are good, but they are hurt a lot."

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
And once more, for the record. How many games have Jimmy's turnovers actually cost the team. He only has 8 regular season losses so why don't you go back and review all of those games and let us know how many of those losses were a DIRECT result of a turnover by Jimmy. If you're not willing to put in the work to prove your point then you should quit making the argument and trying to pass it ff as some kind of fact that Jimmy's turnover's lead to losses.

Here, I'll even give you a couple examples to start you off. The first Seattle Game in 2019 there was a strip sack for a TD in the first half. Jimmy led the team down the field at the end of the 4th quarter and put the team in a position to win but their replacement kicker shanked a kick from the same distance he had made one from earlier. Against the Steelers that same year the team had FIVE turnovers but still won the game. Turnovers suck and Jimmy has certainly had his share but he usually finds a way to overcome them. Hopefully he will be better at protecting the ball this year.

I already gave examples previously (Seahawks and Ravens games). I would also argue that is "eyes closed" pick in the sb put us in a really bad spot. "But his turnovers haven't cost us too badly yet!" isn't a great defense

Just for future reference, the use of quotation marks is supposed to indicate that you are accurately quoting the statement that was made, not making the words up yourself to put your own spin on it. So by your own accounting Jimmy's turnovers cost us two games out of the 8 regular season games he has lost, which means, again according to you, that 20% of his losses can be accredited to him and 80% to other factors. Compared to his 22 regular season wins. I'll take those numbers and hope that after only his second full off season since he joined the team and with Lance pushing for his snaps that he will make an effort to improve his ball security

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Relax. You wouldn't have responded like this if you didn't care way more than you should. If you got a problem with it, take it up with Daniel Brunskill since he's the one that said it.

Referring to your comment, not the tweet.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Pros of Trey as a red zone QB:

His legs
Play calls he opens up
His arm strength is a real asset in these tight windows

Cons:

Those tight windows mean anticipation is very important, and few rookies do well with that consistently.
The short field gives the potential for aggressive coverages Trey may not be ready for.

I can't think of any other cons, and Trey could just use his legs if he gets confused. The main worry is INTs because he didn't see the coverage right or didn't anticipate right, but with that ridiculous arm, maybe it won't be much of a problem.

Inside the 5 yard line, the ability to create misdirection can result in some very easy touchdowns whether it's zone read or playaction with a TE/FB leaking out. Lance was untouched on his TD rush vs LVR. Plays like that wouldn't really help his development as a passer, unless we count confidence building as part of development, but it sure contributes to winning the game.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Just for future reference, the use of quotation marks is supposed to indicate that you are accurately quoting the statement that was made, not making the words up yourself to put your own spin on it. So by your own accounting Jimmy's turnovers cost us two games out of the 8 regular season games he has lost, which means, again according to you, that 20% of his losses can be accredited to him and 80% to other factors. Compared to his 22 regular season wins. I'll take those numbers and hope that after only his second full off season since he joined the team and with Lance pushing for his snaps that he will make an effort to improve his ball security

In this case, it was essentially a summary of your argument.