Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by KegBert:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by KegBert:

Originally posted by RasSuar:
Everyone here should be rooting for Trey to earn the starting spot sooner rather than later. And it has nothing to do with knocking Jimmy.

Trey's very presence on this Shanahan offense heightens its ceiling by leaps and bounds because of the threat he poses to defenses as a potential ball carrier every snap. We can play 11 on 11 football in the run game with Trey in a way that we simply can't with Jimmy. You simply cannot discount how important an advantage this is for Kyle and McDaniels as playcallers.

This is the reality whether you like Jimmy (like I do) or not. Its not a knock against him or his abilities. Its an endorsement of what extra advantages Trey brings to our offense. So, the moment it appears Trey looks comfortable facing NFL defenses is the moment he should be given the starting nod.

Agreed and I think he gets to that point sooner than some people think. A fully unlocked Shanny offense is going to be a glorious sight to behold.

He's got to get better with his accuracy, but I think he's ready to be the starter - finger pending.

Yeah, he definitely needs to work on his consistency but I believe that will come with playing experiance. I feel like his inconsistancies with ball placement and lack of touch on some throws are from not being completely comfortable with what he's seeing out there. Once he's fully comfortable with the playbook and the speed of the NFL game I don't think the sky balls and up close heaters will be much of an issue.

Yeah, he just needs reps and the consistency will come. Hopefully, he's a go for Sunday - otherwise, we're going to have wait another week.

Mostert is about to have a career year with Lance in at QB. We've already seen Raheem rip off 75 yard touchdowns with his speed but when defenses have to respect trey pulling the ball and running the opposite direction….. sheeshhhhh Mostert is gonna eat that space up so quick

Originally posted by 49ERnation:
Mostert is about to have a career year with Lance in at QB. We've already seen Raheem rip off 75 yard touchdowns with his speed but when defenses have to respect trey pulling the ball and running the opposite direction….. sheeshhhhh Mostert is gonna eat that space up so quick

Agree, Mostert and everybody else is going to tear it up. I just hope Trey stays healthy, with all the wild cat plays they're going to feature.

Originally posted by mayo49:
I just hope Trey stays healthy, with all the wild cat plays they're going to feature.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I just hope Trey stays healthy, with all the wild cat plays they're going to feature.

What don't you get?

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I just hope Trey stays healthy, with all the wild cat plays they're going to feature.

What don't you get?

Lol

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I just hope Trey stays healthy, with all the wild cat plays they're going to feature.

What don't you get?

Lol

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Daniel Brunskill on Garoppolo and Lance: "We can run our offense through both of them. Jimmy has run Trey's plays before. Trey can run the whole offense." #49ers

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) September 2, 2021

I'm going to guess that when Kyle was drawing up all of those plays for Lance while on the flight back from Fields' pro day he wasn't thinking "I'm sure I can run this play with Jimmy too…"

who are you trying to convince? literally no one cares

Relax. You wouldn't have responded like this if you didn't care way more than you should. If you got a problem with it, take it up with Daniel Brunskill since he's the one that said it.

That's rich that you are telling folks to relax as touchy as you are. Isn't it rather more important what Kyle says than Brunskill anyway? Even more telling is what he does. People can hide their true intentions behind words, but their actions will always reveal the truth.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I do and never said fumbling isn't something we should avoid. I'm pointing out it's incredibly misleading to just throw a stat like that out with no other context. Makes it seem like he's fumbling every other time he gets hit.

That's why I posted other qb's #'s. Go look them up for yourself.

The top 20 guys with the most career fumbles are all quarterbacks. 5 of which are HOF and a number of future HOF.

Just throwing a stat like that and then talking about a RB benched for fumbles is disingenuous.

I edited but you replied before you saw it.

The other QB #s you posted I didnt understand and still dont. Jimmy fumbles more than all of them (aside from being fractions of a percent better than Watson, who fumbles at a much lower rate when factoring in attempts).

If you think me talking about RBs being benched for fumbles is disingenuous, then you were simply way too quick to come to Jimmy's defense because you COMPLETELY misunderstood the point of why I even brought it up. I brought it up because a couple posters essentially believe that as long as the 49ers recovered the ball, the fumbles should be ignored. Fumble recoveries (as I am sure you know) are largely due to luck. Just because we recovered a majority of them, doesnt mean the fumbling isnt a problem....which, again, is why I mentioned RBs being benched for fumbling regardless of who recovered.

My point is that talking about RB's getting benched for fumbling is similar to a qb getting credited for fumbles is disingenuous.

It's not a qualitative stat. It'd be like someone talking about Trey's comp % in pre-season without mentioning all the drops. It's misleading and disingenuous.

It's also why I was responding to French. He's said its crazy that people would brush off 17 fumbles in 30 games(really 32). Watson has 30 in 54 and I've never heard anyone talk about Watson having a fumbling problem.

It's because everyone understands that's a stat that doesn't mean much considering that many fumbles credited are not actually fumbles.

Kurt Warner has 104 fumbles in 124 career games. He's in the HOF and I've never heard of Warner having a fumbling problem.

Must've been so crazy how during all those HOF seasons no one was worried about his fumbles.

Still missing the point with the first bolded.

You must not have paid attention with the second bolded. Warner was criticized his entire career about being loose with the ball and fumbling too much.

Again, you are totally missing the point in this discussion. No one is being disingenious. You are just not happy with the content of what is being discussed. Jimmy turns the ball over too much (interceptions and fumbling the ball). Not sure how any unbiased person would go to such lengths to disagree with that. He does. We just have to hope our defense is good enough to combat that.

Or that Jimmy improves something he's never improved upon yet. It's not impossible, because some of his interceptions are due to inaccuracy, and some of those interceptions AND fumbles are due to misdiagnosing coverage (for fumbles, holding the ball when he should have thrown it). These things can possibly be improved.

Some of those turnovers happened due to the turnstile play of our offensive line. Improved line play will help improve quarterback play, no matter who is the quarterback.

18 Possessions:
3 TDs
3 FGs
1 INT
11 Punts (7 3 & outs)

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Planned qb Rotation either within a game or between games is the dumbest idea ive ever heard. No one has ever been successful with it. Ever. Were not going to do that. Good way to ruin two qbs at the same time.

And im not talking about situational substitution.

Not a big fan of Szu Tzu I see…

Are you talking about a dog or the ancient chinese philosopher whose martial philosophy has no clear application to modern football.

Oh c'mon that was an easy one… be where your enemy is not… the concept that no one has won using a two QB system is that someone has created an offense yet that makes it more beneficial than a single QB.

To be fair, this is just a bridge until Lance is the full time starter.

There is no two quarterback system. It doesn't exist. Its never existed. It makes no sense.

No paid coach has said "you are my leader and I have so little confidence in you that you are not my leader."

Sorry not sorry. Starting not starting.

He's saying that to Jimmy AND he's saying that to Trey.

Confucious had a great proverb for that -- shut the frick up.

Stop it.

He's not saying that to Trey. Lance is a kid who had 314 pass attempts at an FCS school and played 1 college game in the 17 months or so before his first preseason game with us. Kyle not letting him start doesn't say "I have so little confidence in you that you are not my leader"

absurd friggin notion. We just traded 3 first round picks and a 3rd rounder for him. That shows ALL the confidence in the world for Trey.

Likewise that move also tells Jimmy what he needs to know. Playing Lance here and there isn't a shock to Jimmy that he's not our long term guy. He's not a moron. Soon as we made that move Jimmy knew the deal.

Wtf are we doing here?

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I just hope Trey stays healthy, with all the wild cat plays they're going to feature.

What don't you get?

He's a QB what wild cat stuff are you talking about lol? You mean zone reads.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by boast:
most fumbles by a QB since 2017
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-fumbles-by-a-qb-since-2017

oh look no Jimmy

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most fumbles by a QB since 2018
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-fumbles-by-a-qb-since-2018

oh look Jimmy ranks behind Mahomes

49ersRing needs to make up a string of very specific b******t qualifiers in attempt to s**t on Jimmy. this is what the He-Man Jimmy Haterz Club does constantly.

if you sort on fumbles lost, he is third from the bottom (which is GOOD not BAD).

That's like saying having the third most dropped interceptions is good.

It is good.

He's had the 2nd fewest snaps of anyone on that list. It doesn't make sense to compare totals over a 3 or 4 year period when he's only played in 5,3,16, and 6 games during that time.

I guess a good way to determine would be dividing the players games played with fumbles and what percentage is.

Where are we going with this. Everybody knows Jimmy makes too many DUMB THROWS. And he gets the ball whacked out midget fingers TOO MUCH.

Point is there's some good stuff too, and it all comes out as he is somewhat better than average. If he stopped throwing into linebacker chest he would be pretty good.

Still a better choice than trey right now and probably for the rest of the year.

Odds are your hands are smaller and you're shorter than Jimmy but he's got midget fingers...

im not about to go back and check all of his career fumbles but I would put money on most of them not being "ball getting whacked out" and they're likely QB/C or RB exchange related. Something that happens with lots of QBs. Especially when the C position is a revolving door.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I just hope Trey stays healthy, with all the wild cat plays they're going to feature.

What don't you get?

He's a QB what wild cat stuff are you talking about lol? You mean zone reads.

Yeah, I mean zone reads.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I just hope Trey stays healthy, with all the wild cat plays they're going to feature.

What don't you get?

He's a QB what wild cat stuff are you talking about lol? You mean zone reads.

Yeah, I mean zone reads.

But what if the defense plays man!?🤔