Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I just hope Trey stays healthy, with all the wild cat plays they're going to feature.

What don't you get?

He's a QB what wild cat stuff are you talking about lol? You mean zone reads.

Yeah, I mean zone reads.

But what if the defense plays man!?🤔

We can still play Trey and Jimmy together.

Originally posted by KegBert:

Originally posted by RasSuar:
Everyone here should be rooting for Trey to earn the starting spot sooner rather than later. And it has nothing to do with knocking Jimmy.

Trey's very presence on this Shanahan offense heightens its ceiling by leaps and bounds because of the threat he poses to defenses as a potential ball carrier every snap. We can play 11 on 11 football in the run game with Trey in a way that we simply can't with Jimmy. You simply cannot discount how important an advantage this is for Kyle and McDaniels as playcallers.

This is the reality whether you like Jimmy (like I do) or not. Its not a knock against him or his abilities. Its an endorsement of what extra advantages Trey brings to our offense. So, the moment it appears Trey looks comfortable facing NFL defenses is the moment he should be given the starting nod.

Agreed and I think he gets to that point sooner than some people think. A fully unlocked Shanny offense is going to be a glorious sight to behold.

I think it's hilarious that you both think Trey can run the full offense and that actually, he can run more of it than jimmy.

as soon as Trey gets film down, NFL defenses will adjust immediately, take away his favs reads and make him play from the pocket. And once that happens, you're gonna see Trey pat the ball a million times and get sacked a million times.

he simply hasn't played enough at this level to think all the sudden zone reads are the savior. Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

furthermore, the idea of running our future franchise QB a bunch of times isn't smart in my book. He will get yards and get hurt just like RG3.

Originally posted by Big_Daddy:
I think it's hilarious that you both think Trey can run the full offense and that actually, he can run more of it than jimmy.

as soon as Trey gets film down, NFL defenses will adjust immediately, take away his favs reads and make him play from the pocket. And once that happens, you're gonna see Trey pat the ball a million times and get sacked a million times.

he simply hasn't played enough at this level to think all the sudden zone reads are the savior. Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

furthermore, the idea of running our future franchise QB a bunch of times isn't smart in my book. He will get yards and get hurt just like RG3.

For the millionth time, running QBs don't get hurt more. Trey is actually a great example! He was injured in the pocket on a regular throw

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Big_Daddy:
I think it's hilarious that you both think Trey can run the full offense and that actually, he can run more of it than jimmy.

as soon as Trey gets film down, NFL defenses will adjust immediately, take away his favs reads and make him play from the pocket. And once that happens, you're gonna see Trey pat the ball a million times and get sacked a million times.

he simply hasn't played enough at this level to think all the sudden zone reads are the savior. Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

furthermore, the idea of running our future franchise QB a bunch of times isn't smart in my book. He will get yards and get hurt just like RG3.

For the millionth time, running QBs don't get hurt more. Trey is actually a great example! He was injured in the pocket on a regular throw

That was that freak nightmare qb finger off the helmet injury that could have ended most his season. At 6'4" 230 Trey is built to run. He'll be fine. Defenses will never be able to catch up to a great running qb who can throw 50 yards accurately across his body while out of the pocket. Trey just needs to learn to take about 50mph off his 5 yarders.😉🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I just hope Trey stays healthy, with all the wild cat plays they're going to feature.

What don't you get?

He's a QB what wild cat stuff are you talking about lol? You mean zone reads.

Yeah, I mean zone reads.

See, I don't see this helping trey or the 49ers.

Wanna give trey read option reps? Designed bootlegs?

Then we traded up to get Kap 2.0. No thank you.

This guy needs to call the entire route tree in game situations. Problem is, he can't do it right now. so we can't win games if he tried.

oh well. Why is that a surprise? we knew that coming out of the draft.

He needs to hold a clipboard, go to kyle shanahans uber elite quarterback school every day and watch tape tape tape.

When he goes into a game -- which will probably be several games this year due to jimmy g getting dinged up -- he needs to run THE. ENTIRE. PLAYBOOK.

No pigeon holing this kid at 21. THAT will move him forward.

Don't bother with this shuttling 2 qb system which is a joke and will guarantee to ruin both qb's if you think about how it will actually play out snap after snap.

The NFL press is desperate for carnival headlines but they are making horrifying proposals, if you actually read what they are visualizing. Kyle is smarter than the NFL press and will not implement that silliness.

Originally posted by Big_Daddy:
I think it's hilarious that you both think Trey can run the full offense and that actually, he can run more of it than jimmy.

as soon as Trey gets film down, NFL defenses will adjust immediately, take away his favs reads and make him play from the pocket. And once that happens, you're gonna see Trey pat the ball a million times and get sacked a million times.

he simply hasn't played enough at this level to think all the sudden zone reads are the savior. Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

furthermore, the idea of running our future franchise QB a bunch of times isn't smart in my book. He will get yards and get hurt just like RG3.

Take away his favorite reads? Huh?

The whole get game film on someone thing is a myth. How much film is there with Tom Brady? Rodgers? Mahomes?

if that was an actual thing then you would never see a QB improve or play well consistently as their career moves forward. That only applies to bad QBs who don't work to improve. And for those guys it's not as much that defenses adjust to them, it's that they adjust to the scheme or players around those guys get worse so they can't just do what they want to do and you can't stop them.

I keep saying this but Trey Lance is in a situation that isn't comparable to anyone else. So having him replicate the plan for say Mahomes or Kyler Murray isn't right or wrong. He's in a different spot so nobody knows what the best route is.

Im going to trust Shanahan who basically put his nuts on the table and said...I'm hinging my job on this kid's back. He's not going to hurt the team or Trey's development if he can help it.

Yes, nobody knows how a player will react to actual NFL games or pressure but we have glimpses of it through 3 preseason games. It showed a kid who isn't overwhelmed by the jump in competition but it shows a kid who isn't going to be a seasoned nfl pro like as a rookie. He's got things to work on, some of them being very critical so people have to have proper expectations. There will be bad mistakes. There will be bad throws but you have to trust the person long term.

Everyone who has met the kid raves about his work ethic, intelligence and drive to improve. Unlike say Kap who seemed to ignore key areas of improving as a QB(I still think Harbaugh changed him in that regard) Trey SHOULD be able to stay ahead of the competition. Especially when you have Kyle Shanahan in your corner. One thing you need though is game reps. So imo you have to get him on the field to grow quicker. I trust Kyle to do that without hurting the team or Trey's future.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I just hope Trey stays healthy, with all the wild cat plays they're going to feature.

What don't you get?

He's a QB what wild cat stuff are you talking about lol? You mean zone reads.

It's going to be more than zone read, they did show him running QB power.... probably add to that QB iso, and several other plays off of these... Shanny if going to have a full compliment of plays for the Trey-cat package this year, going to be fun!

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I just hope Trey stays healthy, with all the wild cat plays they're going to feature.

What don't you get?

He's a QB what wild cat stuff are you talking about lol? You mean zone reads.

Yeah, I mean zone reads.

See, I don't see this helping trey or the 49ers.

Wanna give trey read option reps? Designed bootlegs?

Then we traded up to get Kap 2.0. No thank you.

This guy needs to call the entire route tree in game situations. Problem is, he can't do it right now. so we can't win games if he tried.

oh well. Why is that a surprise? we knew that coming out of the draft.

He needs to hold a clipboard, go to kyle shanahans uber elite quarterback school every day and watch tape tape tape.

When he goes into a game -- which will probably be several games this year due to jimmy g getting dinged up -- he needs to run THE. ENTIRE. PLAYBOOK.

No pigeon holing this kid at 21. THAT will move him forward.

Don't bother with this shuttling 2 qb system which is a joke and will guarantee to ruin both qb's if you think about how it will actually play out snap after snap.

The NFL press is desperate for carnival headlines but they are making horrifying proposals, if you actually read what they are visualizing. Kyle is smarter than the NFL press and will not implement that silliness.

Nonsense. You realize there are snaps in a game where the defense knows it's run...and you still run it.

Lance being in at QB in those situations vs Jimmy adds a totally different element. You ever see a defender hesitate to see if Jimmy keeps the ball? We just saw how smooth the running game looked with Trey out there. He literally doesn't have to actually run with it to impact the play.

And this idea that Trey can't throw is absurd. I guarantee you there will be a zone read like look with Trey at QB where they fake the run and Trey get a big play throw out of it...doubt it will be vs Detroit or Eagles but come our tougher games look for that to happen.

Him holding a clipboard and only getting reps when he knows defenders can't touch him isn't going to give him the experience he most needs to improve. Working on mechanics is fine but when the bullets fly things change. He has to play and learn to keep his mechanics in check under those high adrenaline moments.

As as I said above his presence alone impacts the defense in a different way. Him coming in here and there doesn't put the full pressure of "win us a SB rook" so he can ease into things. If Jimmy is hot that game and we're moving the ball without issue then he can just hang back. You're making it something it's not.

Originally posted by genus49:
Take away his favorite reads? Huh?

The whole get game film on someone thing is a myth. How much film is there with Tom Brady? Rodgers? Mahomes?

if that was an actual thing then you would never see a QB improve or play well consistently as their career moves forward. That only applies to bad QBs who don't work to improve. And for those guys it's not as much that defenses adjust to them, it's that they adjust to the scheme or players around those guys get worse so they can't just do what they want to do and you can't stop them.

I keep saying this but Trey Lance is in a situation that isn't comparable to anyone else. So having him replicate the plan for say Mahomes or Kyler Murray isn't right or wrong. He's in a different spot so nobody knows what the best route is.

Im going to trust Shanahan who basically put his nuts on the table and said...I'm hinging my job on this kid's back. He's not going to hurt the team or Trey's development if he can help it.

Yes, nobody knows how a player will react to actual NFL games or pressure but we have glimpses of it through 3 preseason games. It showed a kid who isn't overwhelmed by the jump in competition but it shows a kid who isn't going to be a seasoned nfl pro like as a rookie. He's got things to work on, some of them being very critical so people have to have proper expectations. There will be bad mistakes. There will be bad throws but you have to trust the person long term.

Everyone who has met the kid raves about his work ethic, intelligence and drive to improve. Unlike say Kap who seemed to ignore key areas of improving as a QB(I still think Harbaugh changed him in that regard) Trey SHOULD be able to stay ahead of the competition. Especially when you have Kyle Shanahan in your corner. One thing you need though is game reps. So imo you have to get him on the field to grow quicker. I trust Kyle to do that without hurting the team or Trey's future.

That's so incredibly wrong. I cant believe you wrote that.

Game film is the single most important factor in professional competiton.

In every major sport not just football.

Every team blows hundreds of man hours every weekly microcycle analyzing game film from their own team and opponents.

The microscope doesn't get any more micro.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
It's going to be more than zone read, they did show him running QB power.... probably add to that QB iso, and several other plays off of these... Shanny if going to have a full compliment of plays for the Trey-cat package this year, going to be fun!

We didn't trade 3 firsts for a trey cat package. It's better to skip this situation and get him as ready as possible as soon as possible to be an actual full field pocket passer.

We're wasting time other wise. trey doesnt need colin kapernick reps.

what if Jimmy + Trey is greater than Jimmy or Trey by themselves?

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
It's going to be more than zone read, they did show him running QB power.... probably add to that QB iso, and several other plays off of these... Shanny if going to have a full compliment of plays for the Trey-cat package this year, going to be fun!

We didn't trade 3 firsts for a trey cat package. It's better to skip this situation and get him as ready as possible as soon as possible to be an actual full field pocket passer.

We're wasting time other wise. trey doesnt need colin kapernick reps.

thats why he needs to learn and get better at pocket mechanics and the ebst way to do that is sit and practice

Forcing him in too early we will have to gamelan around his strengths and limit his weaknesses and his weaknesses right now is something he has to improve on to become a long term starter

what if Jimmy + Trey is greater than Jimmy or Trey by themselves?

never worked that way in the history of pro football. your telling both quarterbacks that neither is good enough to lead the team. Bad messaging. Because the competencies are different bringing in a qb will be a tell. DC's will eat that up after a couple of games of tape.

Do you really want Jimmy running into brick walls?

Do you really want trey throwing 90 mph screen passes?

No. No we do not want that. We want to put players in a position to be successful. We want to play to their strengths.

We don't want them running plays that they suck at just because our OC is trying to out-psych their DC.

But that's what we will get into if we play the let-me-outhink-you-outhinking-me-outhinking-you dual qb substitution mind games

It a novelty. A gimmick. Won't last more than a game or two. Is that really our strategy? Of course not. Were we really going to draft Mac Jones? Of course not.

This is kyle having fun with the press and making sure trey has the right agenda filled with items that get him to the pocket passing promised land.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
if we selected trey for his running abilities that will be one of the greatest follies of all time. no way we did.

He was selected for his abilities, of which running the ball is one. It is an ability that allows his coach and offensive coordinator to play a numbers game of football that other less mobile QBs like Jimmy cannot. This is the reality no matter how you want to frame it because math doesn't lie. 11 on 11 football > 10 on 11 football for an offensive system. The arm talent, decision-making, intangibles, etc. are all additional to that.

I think it's hilarious that you both think Trey can run the full offense and that actually, he can run more of it than jimmy.

I think its hilarious you made an argument against a point no one even made. I will repost what was written:

Everyone here should be rooting for Trey to earn the starting spot sooner rather than later. And it has nothing to do with knocking Jimmy.