Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

It has never worked, but it's never really been utilized effectively. This examples are just wrong.

With that said, ar ookie qb has never won a superbowl. It doesn't mean it can never happen.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
He's not a finished product by any means. But he's made the throws, nice ones, but he can't catch them himself to raise that comp%

Sacks are on the OL. He's not standing back there for 5+ secs. and just taking a sack. See the hit he got injured on?.. a LB came up the middle untouched

This is all very easy to see. unless you just go by the box score

He's on his way... as he keeps getting better every game

we cant...not saying you...give Trey a pass on dropped passes and then charge JG for not throwing a good ball when he has a pass dropped.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
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You can huff & puff in a bag all you want, you're still wrong.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
It has never worked, but it's never really been utilized effectively. This examples are just wrong.

With that said, ar ookie qb has never won a superbowl. It doesn't mean it can never happen.

Maybe that's because it can't be utilized effectively.

Except in a preseason game against second and third stringers with the coaching staff mailing it in.

Originally posted by Heed49er:
You're wrong. The Broadcasters literally listed other times teams have used a dual QB system during the Raiders game.

Brees & Hill for the Saints
Flacco & Jackson for the Ravens
Staubach & Morten for the Cowboys
Van Brocklin & Waterfield for the Rams
Woodley & Strock for the Dolphins
O'Donnell & Stewart for the Steelers
Smith & Kaepernick
Montana & Young
Warner & Leinart for the Cardinals

The emboldened text above was also a championship season for the Rams.

Van Brocklin threw for 128 yards and Waterfield threw for 125 yards in the 1951 NFL championship game.

Originally posted by Heed49er:
You can huff & puff in a bag all you want, you're still wrong.

Honestly, I don't know about van Brocklin and Waterfield or Woodley and Strock.

But all the other examples are NOT to the point.

Every other example on your list except 2020 New Orleans was a competitive transitional situation which is 100% NOT what Kyle is allegedly talking about.

But, for the sake of argument, lets suppose that in one of those situations, the coach ran the whole season playing peek a boo with his QB's, shuttling them in and out for whatever tactical reason he thought was important.

And lets say that since 1970, there have been an average of 25 teams per season in the NFL

That's a ratio of 1250 to 1.

IMO, that effectively fits the definition of "never ever."

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Heed49er:
You can huff & puff in a bag all you want, you're still wrong.

Honestly, I don't know about van Brocklin and Waterfield or Woodley and Strock.

But all the other examples are NOT to the point.

Every other example on your list except 2020 New Orleans was a competitive transitional situation which is 100% NOT what Kyle is allegedly talking about.

But, for the sake of argument, lets suppose that in one of those situations, the coach ran the whole season playing peek a boo with his QB's, shuttling them in and out for whatever tactical reason he thought was important.

And lets say that since 1970, there have been an average of 25 teams per season in the NFL

That's a ratio of 1250 to 1.

IMO, that effectively fits the definition of "never ever."

There is no chance Shannan is going to use a 2 QB system this year.

The raiders game was a test of the system and a warning to the league.

Trey is going to get 2-3 a game if that.

book it.

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
He's not a finished product by any means. But he's made the throws, nice ones, but he can't catch them himself to raise that comp%

Sacks are on the OL. He's not standing back there for 5+ secs. and just taking a sack. See the hit he got injured on?.. a LB came up the middle untouched

This is all very easy to see. unless you just go by the box score

He's on his way... as he keeps getting better every game

we cant...not saying you...give Trey a pass on dropped passes and then charge JG for not throwing a good ball when he has a pass dropped.

i don't understand that also..

If any QB gets the ball to the hands of the receiver, the QB has done his job. but in the end, it all trickles up hill

Originally posted by TyCore:

Originally posted by Heed49er:
You're wrong. The Broadcasters literally listed other times teams have used a dual QB system during the Raiders game.

Brees & Hill for the Saints
Flacco & Jackson for the Ravens
Staubach & Morten for the Cowboys
Van Brocklin & Waterfield for the Rams
Woodley & Strock for the Dolphins
O'Donnell & Stewart for the Steelers
Smith & Kaepernick
Montana & Young
Warner & Leinart for the Cardinals

The emboldened text above was also a championship season for the Rams.

Van Brocklin threw for 128 yards and Waterfield threw for 125 yards in the 1951 NFL championship game.

Wow. Interesting. I guess that's the solution for a two quarterback system: bring back Crazy Legs Hirsch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1951_Los_Angeles_Rams_season

Waterfield was getting old and was off the team by 1953, making way for the legendary Van Brocklin.

Waterfield was the kicker too.

Here's a blurb:

Van Brocklin joined the Rams in 1949, becoming the backup quarterback to Bob Waterfield. A passer and punter, Van Brocklin acquired the nickname "The Dutchman." Then in 1950 Van Brocklin and Waterfield were platooned by Coach Joe Stydahar, becoming a kind of dynamic duo, scoring an average of 38.8 points per game, a record that stands today.

Passing to such star receivers as Elroy "Crazy Legs" Hirsch and Tom Fears, Van Brocklin and Waterfield led the Rams to the 1951 NFL Championship game, in which they beat the Cleveland Browns 24 to 17.

Ok I admit defeat.

All we need for our two qb system are two hall of fame quarterbacks and two hall of fame receivers.

Sounds like the 2021 niners. easy peasy. Madman Kyle will be dialing that right up.

https://www.profootballhof.com/players/tom-fears/
https://www.profootballhof.com/players/elroy-crazylegs-hirsch/
https://www.profootballhof.com/players/norm-van-brocklin/
https://www.profootballhof.com/players/bob-waterfield/

I never heard of Joe Stydahar before, but my hats off. Sounds like he made a stew with what's in the fridge. he found a creative way to win games with the players on his roster.

PS Night Train was on the team also

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
It's going to be more than zone read, they did show him running QB power.... probably add to that QB iso, and several other plays off of these... Shanny if going to have a full compliment of plays for the Trey-cat package this year, going to be fun!

True true…Trey-cat package lol love it

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
How hasn't Trey produced in the pocket so far?

He's ran a handful of times
Numerous drops for first downs
has the most TDs than all the First round QBs

He just needs playing time

40 dropbacks Seven sacks. No game over 50% completion. That's a billboard that says not ready all caps

He's not a finished product by any means. But he's made the throws, nice ones, but he can't catch them himself to raise that comp%

Sacks are on the OL. He's not standing back there for 5+ secs. and just taking a sack. See the hit he got injured on?.. a LB came up the middle untouched

This is all very easy to see. unless you just go by the box score

He's on his way... as he keeps getting better every game

^ That's possibly the best post I've ever seen from you ATT. Your defense of Trey > your defense of Jimmy

I'm excited to see how this season goes and how Lance/Jimmy and Kyle attack it.

my whole point in here was lance needs snaps to develop…what he has issues with is stuff you need to actually play to improve at mostly. We know he's gonna put the time in with film and fixing the mechanics. I think most objective fans knew Lance was the most raw of the bunch BUT his upside is as high as any of these QBs (probably higher).

I know this is blasphemous, but I've been seeing a lot of Elway highlights on SM lately and there's some plays that look like stuff Lance does….people talk about Lance throwing bullets (and that being a issue) go watch Elway, bro was ripping it all the time. He's got a lot of work ahead of him but the skill set is there, the intangibles are there, the roster to support him is there, and the coaching is there…he just needs to play more football. He's just a pup.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
^ That's possibly the best post I've ever seen from you ATT. Your defense of Trey > your defense of Jimmy

else if joking

5_Golden_Rings used to be Wu_5_rings right? The same guy who put Harbaugh on a god pedestal during his first few years in Michigan until he got banned?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm excited to see how this season goes and how Lance/Jimmy and Kyle attack it.

my whole point in here was lance needs snaps to develop…what he has issues with is stuff you need to actually play to improve at mostly. We know he's gonna put the time in with film and fixing the mechanics. I think most objective fans knew Lance was the most raw of the bunch BUT his upside is as high as any of these QBs (probably higher).

I know this is blasphemous, but I've been seeing a lot of Elway highlights on SM lately and there's some plays that look like stuff Lance does….people talk about Lance throwing bullets (and that being a issue) go watch Elway, bro was ripping it all the time. He's got a lot of work ahead of him but the skill set is there, the intangibles are there, the roster to support him is there, and the coaching is there…he just needs to play more football. He's just a pup.

Trey Lance is John Elway. How are these comments helping Trey? No doubt he will play 75-125 snaps this season, unless jimmy breaks something. Just right.