Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9moon:
I don't think NY was saying that Lance is MUCH LIKE Elway, he was only making a point to recognize.. plus, Lance is no way CLOSE to being John, not at all.. if there's one comparison it should be, which include his arm motion or delivery, it's should be the late Air.

I'm looking at plays like this…

A few of these Elway highlights courtesy of @ChiArunavo ... first play would be highlight of year in about any year ... https://t.co/FpigyTB67E pic.twitter.com/Df8ypUalUe

— Mike Sando (@SandoNFL) September 4, 2021

and imo Lance has the god given ability to make these types of plays. You can not say that about every QB.

that's it. I'm not comparing him to Elway but WZ gonna WZ

Not exactly the same.. but any close reason to post this again, I'll do it.

That f**king guy.

Ha, yeah I brought his name up as well…dude was far from a mechanics guru and wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed regarding X's and O's, Yet had god given ability to make those types of plays.

Originally posted by ritz126:
he didnt even do those plays in FCS in college.

He ahs some work to do

Lol tell me you didn't watch Lance in college without telling me you didn't watch Lance in college

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Not getting into the Elway discussion but I completely disagree about Trey's footwork. When he knows where he's going with the ball, and he's on time his footwork is sublime.

Most of his issues come when he's unsure where he's supposed to go and his mechanics break down.

As soon as he gets to the point where he trusts his eyes he will be unstoppable paired with Kyle.

I don't know when that will come, but I'm convinced it'll come quicker with game reps than it would from the bench.

This. I'm not worried about his footwork at all either…it's all about being confident with his reads, not double clutching.

people see Elway and they immediately think I'm comping him too him. Never said that. I'm saying his skill set is there to make plays like the ones I posted. Guys like Mac Jones could have the best mechanics in the world and they could never make plays like that…doesn't have the god given ability to do it.

I remember Barrows during the draft saying Shanny was looking for Elway like upside…Matt said if there was a guy in this draft it was Lance. s**t is gonna take some time but the ability is there

Agree with you both. Trey has abilites like Elway to make special plays with his arm talent. Its not a comp that Trey is Elway its that he can make special throws others cant like Elway. With that in mind I see why we traded up so much to get him. His foot work is spot on when he makes quick and correct reads. Footwork definitley breaks down when hes unsure of what he sees. Right now if hes unsure I would rather him scramble, check it down or throw it away than take a sack or throw a pick at this stage of his development. I believe hes gonna get there just needs time and reps.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yeah that comment made no sense….mechanics go out the window when you're making those type of plays. Also his footwork when he's confident in his read is actually damn good.

Your not even watching your own highlight. Elway made the play in part because he ducked the rush and immediately came up in perfect form. Hence the adjective "automatic" That's not trey lance now. In other situations he exhibits conscious competence for the mechanics he is learning.

He'll continue to progress but starting him doesnt give us the best chance of winning. Based on his performance in preseason. Hell get plenty of reps this season if jimmy goes down or when we have the game in hand. Why continue to argue the obvious. The last time a coach used a two quarterback system seventy years ago he had two hof qbs and two hof wide receivers. So thats out too.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ritz126:
he didnt even do those plays in FCS in college.

He ahs some work to do

Lol tell me you didn't watch Lance in college without telling me you didn't watch Lance in college

i did watch tape on Lance during the draft process that's why he was my number 1 choice i remember you liked Fields a lot that Elway stuff was way more of Fields type of play

tell me which play of Lance was like that in college https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi9JU1wwlhU

yes he has the potential and the ability to make plays like that and it isn't a strech to see that but to think he will do plays like that on day 1 in the NFL? no it isnt going to happen especially when he didnt make plays like that in college

Originally posted by 16_to_80:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Not getting into the Elway discussion but I completely disagree about Trey's footwork. When he knows where he's going with the ball, and he's on time his footwork is sublime.

Most of his issues come when he's unsure where he's supposed to go and his mechanics break down.

As soon as he gets to the point where he trusts his eyes he will be unstoppable paired with Kyle.

I don't know when that will come, but I'm convinced it'll come quicker with game reps than it would from the bench.

This. I'm not worried about his footwork at all either…it's all about being confident with his reads, not double clutching.

people see Elway and they immediately think I'm comping him too him. Never said that. I'm saying his skill set is there to make plays like the ones I posted. Guys like Mac Jones could have the best mechanics in the world and they could never make plays like that…doesn't have the god given ability to do it.

I remember Barrows during the draft saying Shanny was looking for Elway like upside…Matt said if there was a guy in this draft it was Lance. s**t is gonna take some time but the ability is there

Agree with you both. Trey has abilites like Elway to make special plays with his arm talent. Its not a comp that Trey is Elway its that he can make special throws others cant like Elway. With that in mind I see why we traded up so much to get him. His foot work is spot on when he makes quick and correct reads. Footwork definitley breaks down when hes unsure of what he sees. Right now if hes unsure I would rather him scramble, check it down or throw it away than take a sack or throw a pick at this stage of his development. I believe hes gonna get there just needs time and reps.

The funniest thing about all this is a lot of QBs footwork breaks down when the play does or the #1 read is not there. People in here acting like it's just a Trey thing lol s**t look no further than the QB in front of him and his footwork. Trey will be fine, like you said it's easy to see why we traded up to get him, the talent is polarizing. He most definitely has the God given abilities to make those Elway and Favre plays that others simply don't. I'm more than confident that Trey will be one of the top QBs in the league, not a matter of if just a matter of when

Originally posted by 16_to_80:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Not getting into the Elway discussion but I completely disagree about Trey's footwork. When he knows where he's going with the ball, and he's on time his footwork is sublime.

Most of his issues come when he's unsure where he's supposed to go and his mechanics break down.

As soon as he gets to the point where he trusts his eyes he will be unstoppable paired with Kyle.

I don't know when that will come, but I'm convinced it'll come quicker with game reps than it would from the bench.

This. I'm not worried about his footwork at all either…it's all about being confident with his reads, not double clutching.

people see Elway and they immediately think I'm comping him too him. Never said that. I'm saying his skill set is there to make plays like the ones I posted. Guys like Mac Jones could have the best mechanics in the world and they could never make plays like that…doesn't have the god given ability to do it.

I remember Barrows during the draft saying Shanny was looking for Elway like upside…Matt said if there was a guy in this draft it was Lance. s**t is gonna take some time but the ability is there

Agree with you both. Trey has abilites like Elway to make special plays with his arm talent. Its not a comp that Trey is Elway its that he can make special throws others cant like Elway. With that in mind I see why we traded up so much to get him. His foot work is spot on when he makes quick and correct reads. Footwork definitley breaks down when hes unsure of what he sees. Right now if hes unsure I would rather him scramble, check it down or throw it away than take a sack or throw a pick at this stage of his development. I believe hes gonna get there just needs time and reps.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Your not even watching your own highlight. Elway made the play in part because he ducked the rush and immediately came up in perfect form. Hence the adjective "automatic" That's not trey lance now. In other situations he exhibits conscious competence for the mechanics he is learning.

He'll continue to progress but starting him doesnt give us the best chance of winning. Based on his performance in preseason. Hell get plenty of reps this season if jimmy goes down or when we have the game in hand. Why continue to argue the obvious. The last time a coach used a two quarterback system seventy years ago he had two hof qbs and two hof wide receivers. So thats out too.

The last 3 throws had little to do with mechanics…he wasn't stepping into his throws there it was pure arm strength

Originally posted by 49ers808:
The funniest thing about all this is a lot of QBs footwork breaks down when the play does or the #1 read is not there. People in here acting like it's just a Trey thing lol s**t look no further than the QB in front of him and his footwork. Trey will be fine, like you said it's easy to see why we traded up to get him, the talent is polarizing. He most definitely has the God given abilities to make those Elway and Favre plays that others simply don't. I'm more than confident that Trey will be one of the top QBs in the league, not a matter of if just a matter of when

yup that was my whole point…the talent level and what he could be is through the roof. I'm confident he will be a top end QB in the league as well.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm looking at plays like this…

A few of these Elway highlights courtesy of @ChiArunavo ... first play would be highlight of year in about any year ... https://t.co/FpigyTB67E pic.twitter.com/Df8ypUalUe

— Mike Sando (@SandoNFL) September 4, 2021

and imo Lance has the god given ability to make these types of plays. You can not say that about every QB.

that's it. I'm not comparing him to Elway but WZ gonna WZ

I am still floored knowing that dude did all of that with a torn ACL. Wow.

trey doesnt have the automated footwork to make that play right now.

And personally i dont want trey to run 20 yards backwards to find his inner houdini. that kind of excitement we dont need.

Not getting into the Elway discussion but I completely disagree about Trey's footwork. When he knows where he's going with the ball, and he's on time his footwork is sublime.

Most of his issues come when he's unsure where he's supposed to go and his mechanics break down.

As soon as he gets to the point where he trusts his eyes he will be unstoppable paired with Kyle.

I don't know when that will come, but I'm convinced it'll come quicker with game reps than it would from the bench.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm looking at plays like this…

A few of these Elway highlights courtesy of @ChiArunavo ... first play would be highlight of year in about any year ... https://t.co/FpigyTB67E pic.twitter.com/Df8ypUalUe

— Mike Sando (@SandoNFL) September 4, 2021

and imo Lance has the god given ability to make these types of plays. You can not say that about every QB.

that's it. I'm not comparing him to Elway but WZ gonna WZ

I am still floored knowing that dude did all of that with a torn ACL. Wow.

trey doesnt have the automated footwork to make that play right now.

And personally i dont want trey to run 20 yards backwards to find his inner houdini. that kind of excitement we dont need.

Not getting into the Elway discussion but I completely disagree about Trey's footwork. When he knows where he's going with the ball, and he's on time his footwork is sublime.

Most of his issues come when he's unsure where he's supposed to go and his mechanics break down.

As soon as he gets to the point where he trusts his eyes he will be unstoppable paired with Kyle.

I don't know when that will come, but I'm convinced it'll come quicker with game reps than it would from the bench.

Trey did a 15 yard mini version of this play in college. Footwork? A defender tried to sack and throw him backwards on like the 15 yard line on a pass play. He's so big and powerful and talented that he shook off the defender, stabilized his feet took a couple of quick steps to the right and threw a 15 yard dart into the end zone for a td. He has the physical talent to complete that play, easily.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
The funniest thing about all this is a lot of QBs footwork breaks down when the play does or the #1 read is not there. People in here acting like it's just a Trey thing lol s**t look no further than the QB in front of him and his footwork. Trey will be fine, like you said it's easy to see why we traded up to get him, the talent is polarizing. He most definitely has the God given abilities to make those Elway and Favre plays that others simply don't. I'm more than confident that Trey will be one of the top QBs in the league, not a matter of if just a matter of when

yup that was my whole point…the talent level and what he could be is through the roof. I'm confident he will be a top end QB in the league as well.

Why even make these "confidence" statements?

They are irrelevant and counterproductive.

It's hilarious really. Joe Montana sat for 18 MONTHS after a 5 year career at a D1 school. Aaron Rodgers 4 years on the bench. Going through Mike McCarthy quarterback school every single day.

Only in the webzone do we have to assert confidence in players and management for not being instant hall of famers or drafting them.

Come on.

What is this, some kind of weird digital sports entertainment media hype carnival?

I miss plain old football.

Does anyone else think that there is no way that Trey's finger is going to be healed up in one week? I had the first metacarpal in my right thumb get fractured working a concert and it took about six weeks to completely quit bothering me.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Why even make these "confidence" statements?

They are irrelevant and counterproductive.

It's hilarious really. Joe Montana sat for 18 MONTHS after a 5 year career at a D1 school. Aaron Rodgers 4 years on the bench. Going through Mike McCarthy quarterback school every single day.

Only in the webzone do we have to assert confidence in players and management for not being instant hall of famers or drafting them.

Come on.

What is this, some kind of weird digital sports entertainment media hype carnival?

I miss plain old football.

Why can't we make those comments? Counterproductive for what lol? We're fans talking in a fan forum, relax.

yeah everyone can cherry pick players and "how they got there" Herbert starter week 2, Watson day 1, Allen day 1, Wilson day 1, Murray day 1, etc…fwiw Rogers sat on the bench for 3 yrs because they had a HOFer and he had to totally revamp his mechanics. Go look at him in Cal vs GB.

you miss plain old football, go watch some NFL film…this isn't old fashion football anymore. The league has changed, the rules have changed, how offensives are being run have changed, the kids learning to play QB are changing…it's now the most athletic kids that are gravitating to the QB position….that's not changing so embrace it.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Does anyone else think that there is no way that Trey's finger is going to be healed up in one week? I had the first metacarpal in my right thumb get fractured working a concert and it took about six weeks to completely quit bothering me.

Doubt we'll see much of Trey until week 3 when It comes to actually throwing the ball.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Why can't we make those comments? Counterproductive for what lol? We're fans talking in a fan forum, relax.

yeah everyone can cherry pick players and "how they got there" Herbert starter week 2, Watson day 1, Allen day 1, Wilson day 1, Murray day 1, etc…fwiw Rogers sat on the bench for 3 yrs because they had a HOFer and he had to totally revamp his mechanics. Go look at him in Cal vs GB.

you miss plain old football, go watch some NFL film…this isn't old fashion football anymore. The league has changed, the rules have changed, how offensives are being run have changed, the kids learning to play QB are changing…it's now the most athletic kids that are gravitating to the QB position….that's not changing so embrace it.

Lol. Its a mistake every time even if the player goes on to have a productive career which is way less frequent then the opposite case.

It's counterproductive because when you say you have confidence in someone based on no performance history what you're really saying is you don't have confidence in someone. And Trey has no performance history at the professional level just like every other rookie quarterback

The question shouldn't even come up