Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Does anyone else think that there is no way that Trey's finger is going to be healed up in one week? I had the first metacarpal in my right thumb get fractured working a concert and it took about six weeks to completely quit bothering me.

I'm with you. Not a bone doctor but I don't see a fracture healing in a week. Maybe it can get well enough to do running plays but can't see him throwing for a while. Guess we'll see whats up tomorrow.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Lol. Its a mistake every time even if the player goes on to have a productive career which is way less frequent then the opposite case.

It's counterproductive because when you say you have confidence in someone based on no performance history what you're really saying is you don't have confidence in someone. And Trey has no performance history at the professional level just like every other rookie quarterback

The question shouldn't even come up

Why is it a mistake? Because you said so lol? You get better by playing football…even kyle stated this.

It's hard to get better at football, by not playing football…

That's couldn't be more true with Lance who's got less live football reps then most high end drafted QB.

A LOT of high end QBs fail because the roster and team are trash, the coaching staff is trash, they simply don't put the QB in a position to have success OR they simply were overdrafted.

I mean why haven't the countless 2nd/3rd rd QBs drafted who sat turned into great QBs then? Why didn't Locker or Quinn turn out great? Jimmy sat on the butt bench for yrs and his mechanics are still junk. He still has issues seeing the field.

I have confidence in him based on our HC having confidence in him, the roster around him, the skill set and intangibles. The work ethic that everyone has talked about. The fact that Kyle always gets the most out of his QBs and Lance is probably the most talented QB he's ever had.

It's dumb that you even care if someone has confidence in a highly drafted prospect. Who cares it's a fan forum. It's okay to talk like that, I don't think Lance is coming in here reading anything

How dare any fans have confidence that Lance will be just fine. How dare we have faith in this FO and coaching staff who put their jobs on the line because they feel he can be "the guy"

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Does anyone else think that there is no way that Trey's finger is going to be healed up in one week? I had the first metacarpal in my right thumb get fractured working a concert and it took about six weeks to completely quit bothering me.

I think they'll give it another week just to make sure it's fully healed.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Rathof44:
That guy led the league in INTS his second year as a starter, then two more time throughout his career. Garbage. Perennial backup.

He was also incredibly injury prone and was mostly a dink & dunk QB depending on RAC yards from his WRs

Yup. Good points. Great as a backup. Too many mistakes to be a franchise guy.

Originally posted by Sickaa:
Doubt we'll see much of Trey until week 3 when It comes to actually throwing the ball.

We also don't have access to all their medical stuff. These technology these guys have access to is insane.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
How dare any fans have confidence that Lance will be just fine. How dare we have faith in this FO and coaching staff who put their jobs on the line because they feel he can be "the guy"

I said the same thing when you were hating on said current starter. Now you're doing the same to Banks. Weird how spending a second rounder for a backup is terrible but spending 3 first on a backup should be celebrated and nobody should question Trey. Especially when you spent all summer telling us how terrible Jimmy is but yet Trey couldn't beat him out. Imo you flip flop based on the player. The coaching staff have faith in Banks too.

Or... Maybe both of these guys need time. Plain and simple. That's not hating on Trey. It's reality.

Originally posted by Jubwub88:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
Doubt we'll see much of Trey until week 3 when It comes to actually throwing the ball.

We also don't have access to all their medical stuff. These technology these guys have access to is insane.

Very much so.... It'll all come down to whether Kyle wants to risk It or not... Either way, We'll probably spend most of the game running the ball down their throats anyway come week 1.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yeah that comment made no sense….mechanics go out the window when you're making those type of plays. Also his footwork when he's confident in his read is actually damn good.

Your not even watching your own highlight. Elway made the play in part because he ducked the rush and immediately came up in perfect form. Hence the adjective "automatic" That's not trey lance now. In other situations he exhibits conscious competence for the mechanics he is learning.

He'll continue to progress but starting him doesnt give us the best chance of winning. Based on his performance in preseason. Hell get plenty of reps this season if jimmy goes down or when we have the game in hand. Why continue to argue the obvious. The last time a coach used a two quarterback system seventy years ago he had two hof qbs and two hof wide receivers. So thats out too.

Man what are we even doing here?

Elway was a 4 year starter and one of the best prospects ever. He had way more pass attempts than Trey in college and didn't miss a huge period of time before playing for the Broncos. I don't recall when that play is from but I'm pretty sure it wasn't his rookie season when he was far from great.

But while you may use that to push your point that Trey isn't ready to play now or help us win that doesn't prove that. Totally different circumstances with this team. If Shanahan could do what he did with RG3 on a much weaker roster with Washington it's a real stretch of logic to think he cannot setup Trey for success.

Trey wouldn't need to do crazy things like that with this team and Kyle's coaching. That's the whole point but he does need reps. That's why Kyle is putting him out there…just not putting it all on his shoulders right away.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Why is it a mistake? Because you said so lol? You get better by playing football…even kyle stated this.

It's hard to get better at football, by not playing football…

That's couldn't be more true with Lance who's got less live football reps then most high end drafted QB.

A LOT of high end QBs fail because the roster and team are trash, the coaching staff is trash, they simply don't put the QB in a position to have success OR they simply were overdrafted.

I mean why haven't the countless 2nd/3rd rd QBs drafted who sat turned into great QBs then? Why didn't Locker or Quinn turn out great? Jimmy sat on the butt bench for yrs and his mechanics are still junk. He still has issues seeing the field.

I have confidence in him based on our HC having confidence in him, the roster around him, the skill set and intangibles. The work ethic that everyone has talked about. The fact that Kyle always gets the most out of his QBs and Lance is probably the most talented QB he's ever had.

It's dumb that you even care if someone has confidence in a highly drafted prospect. Who cares it's a fan forum. It's okay to talk like that, I don't think Lance is coming in here reading anything

There's plenty of 2nd 3rd etc round qb's who sat the first year coming out of college who have had hall of fame careers. For example, Joe. Tom Brady (5th rounder) drew brees (2nd rounder) roger staubach(10th rounder) kurt warner (undrafted).

So, there's plent of high level success stories of players who sat the first year. You're trying to argue otherwise is beneath you.

And I will insist that every qb coming out of college should sit the first year. They will all be better in the long run and pro football will be better. It should be a league labor law to limit qb's snaps the first year out of college. I say that irrespective of individual talent but solely due to the physical, coaching, and maturational difference that has existed between college and professional football for the last since forever years, AND the unique demands of quarterback as a position in the sport.

Don't throw trey into situations he's not ready for which isn't to say he wont be ready for them in 4,6,8,10,18 months. whatever. I have my own intuitions about where Trey will end up and i feel no need to discuss them. it's pretty clear where he's going, given the right development environment.

Originally posted by Antix:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Does anyone else think that there is no way that Trey's finger is going to be healed up in one week? I had the first metacarpal in my right thumb get fractured working a concert and it took about six weeks to completely quit bothering me.

I'm with you. Not a bone doctor but I don't see a fracture healing in a week. Maybe it can get well enough to do running plays but can't see him throwing for a while. Guess we'll see whats up tomorrow.

Not all fractures are the same. It's useless to compare to other fractures - the location and severity of the fracture are not the same.

We will know everything we need to know if he picks up a ball this week.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
This. I'm not worried about his footwork at all either…it's all about being confident with his reads, not double clutching.

people see Elway and they immediately think I'm comping him too him. Never said that. I'm saying his skill set is there to make plays like the ones I posted. Guys like Mac Jones could have the best mechanics in the world and they could never make plays like that…doesn't have the god given ability to do it.

I remember Barrows during the draft saying Shanny was looking for Elway like upside…Matt said if there was a guy in this draft it was Lance. s**t is gonna take some time but the ability is there

FWIW,...so this can maybe get under control,...I'd just add that it's okay if you DID compare them.

Comparing doesn't only mean sitting around and saying "hey,...these two are exactly alike." Some want to run with this and push the discussion off the ledge instead of saying "I don't feel this fits Trey because __________." They literally have no counter argument.

But yea, even pointing out slight things they could have in common is comparing and again,...no big deal.

Don't let people overreacting to name drops control the narrative.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Does anyone else think that there is no way that Trey's finger is going to be healed up in one week? I had the first metacarpal in my right thumb get fractured working a concert and it took about six weeks to completely quit bothering me.

Back when he first got a chip in his finger and they said he would be "out" for a week I posted that when I was in high school I had a similar chip break in my index finger because of also smacking it on some guys helmet during a game. I played the rest of that game but had a splint on the finger for a week and then played the week after that. But I shoulda hit myself up the side of my head because the finger I broke was on my left hand - I'm right handed - and even more off the mark is that I played running back and cornerback. I forgot that when I returned I still had to tape two fingers together for another week or so. So... not really so similar to Trey's injury - him being a QB and the injured finger is on his throwing hand. Of course, every injury is different so it's hard to tell but my guess is that he'll be able to play by the second or third game.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
There's plenty of 2nd 3rd etc round qb's who sat the first year coming out of college who have had hall of fame careers. For example, Joe. Tom Brady (5th rounder) drew brees (2nd rounder) roger staubach(10th rounder) kurt warner (undrafted).

So, there's plent of high level success stories of players who sat the first year. You're trying to argue otherwise is beneath you.

And I will insist that every qb coming out of college should sit the first year. They will all be better in the long run and pro football will be better. It should be a league labor law to limit qb's snaps the first year out of college. I say that irrespective of individual talent but solely due to the physical, coaching, and maturational difference that has existed between college and professional football for the last since forever years, AND the unique demands of quarterback as a position in the sport.

Don't throw trey into situations he's not ready for which isn't to say he wont be ready for them in 4,6,8,10,18 months. whatever. I have my own intuitions about where Trey will end up and i feel no need to discuss them. it's pretty clear where he's going, given the right development environment.

Yeah and the vast majority of those QBs that were drafted after the 1st AND sat didn't turn into s**t.

Playing football makes a football player better…sitting and watching can only do so much. He will learn the majority of playing the position by actually playing the position.

good you have your own thoughts on what Lance is and will be/how to develop him…other people in here have their own opinions on it and can share and discuss them in here. That's the point for this forum.

I'll bet money the Bills and Chargers are happy that they got to start (and develop) their QBs sooner than later.