Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
you asserted from your pic of Wilson that Trey's passing mechanics are more like his... you are wrong as far as I am concerned, they are completely different and the lead arm is one example just from these pics alone... when guys wind up like Kap/Trey to throw the ball the lead arm extends out and they "point" because the wind up causes a a balance problem, its a hard habit to break...

Lol they most certainly are not completely different. Russ has a long wind up and brings the ball down just as far as Lance (probably more) the fact that you think they're completely different makes your take on all this less creditable imo.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
you asserted from your pic of Wilson that Trey's passing mechanics are more like his... you are wrong as far as I am concerned, they are completely different and the lead arm is one example just from these pics alone... when guys wind up like Kap/Trey to throw the ball the lead arm extends out and they "point" because the wind up causes a a balance problem, its a hard habit to break...

Lol they most certainly are not completely different. Russ has a long wind up and brings the ball down just as far as Lance (probably more) the fact that you think they're completely different makes your take on all this less creditable imo.

Treyscuses LOL

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
you asserted from your pic of Wilson that Trey's passing mechanics are more like his... you are wrong as far as I am concerned, they are completely different and the lead arm is one example just from these pics alone... when guys wind up like Kap/Trey to throw the ball the lead arm extends out and they "point" because the wind up causes a a balance problem, its a hard habit to break...

I think people are confusing pics with "full range motions",...lol. You can catch alot of QBs with almost the same still image while winding it up. Doesn't represent an entire range of motion that can entail 100's of pics.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
dont be sorry its just an opinion... what Wilson is doing here with his lead arm is much different than what Kap/Trey are doing... Wilson is using the off hand and arm to generate roational inertia which is correct, Kap/Trey are using the off hand for balance to correct for errors in their passing motion

What are talking about the lead arm lol? It's a freaking screenshot

The lower half of throwing mechanics are what matter much more when it comes to throwing an accurate ball. Could his throwing motion be a little more compact sure…there's a s**t ton of QBs that are successful without being the best there.

you asserted from your pic of Wilson that Trey's passing mechanics are more like his... you are wrong as far as I am concerned, they are completely different and the lead arm is one example just from these pics alone... when guys wind up like Kap/Trey to throw the ball the lead arm extends out and they "point" because the wind up causes a a balance problem, its a hard habit to break...

The only thing I see in common between Trey and Kaepernick is they're wide striders. Trey needs to tighten his base. He's throwing with wide strides a lot(not every time) which inhibits hip rotation and will cause him to be inaccurate. Trey looks like a more natural thrower than Kaepernick was and is more grounded with his feet. Kaep would get really hoppy on his dropbacks. He also has a more compact and smooth throwing motion. Kaepernick looked like a pitcher winding up and Lance looks like an outfielder.

Lance won't have the extreme explosiveness in the run game as Kaepernick did but has more upside as a passer, IMO. Personally, I like Lance more as a prospect than I did Kaepernick and I was pretty high on Kaep in 2013 and early 14.

Wilson looks like a very, very smooth thrower. His body mechanics are really refined. It makes it look like he's hardly trying to throw a lot. I think he's the smoothest passer we've seen come out in a number of years.

EDIT: my bad. I thought y'all were talking about Zach Wilson, not Russ.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Treyscuses LOL

And that's what you say when you're wrong. Thanks for playing

Trey is working out with the GOAT so I'm sold. I don't know what you guys are talking about!

Originally posted by jonnydel:
The only thing I see in common between Trey and Kaepernick is they're wide striders. Trey needs to tighten his base. He's throwing with wide strides a lot(not every time) which inhibits hip rotation and will cause him to be inaccurate. Trey looks like a more natural thrower than Kaepernick was and is more grounded with his feet. Kaep would get really hoppy on his dropbacks. He also has a more compact and smooth throwing motion. Kaepernick looked like a pitcher winding up and Lance looks like an outfielder.

Lance won't have the extreme explosiveness in the run game as Kaepernick did but has more upside as a passer, IMO. Personally, I like Lance more as a prospect than I did Kaepernick and I was pretty high on Kaep in 2013 and early 14.

Wilson looks like a very, very smooth thrower. His body mechanics are really refined. It makes it look like he's hardly trying to throw a lot. I think he's the smoothest passer we've seen come out in a number of years.

EDIT: my bad. I thought y'all were talking about Zach Wilson, not Russ.

I agree with this…and yes Zack had the best mechanics of all the prospects in this class without a doubt.

I thought Lance improved tremendously on his footwork from 2019 to the off season clips we saw. He just needs more reps and to get more confident in his reads, when he loses that confidence he reverts back into some of his bad habits. All the double clutching and not being in rhythm messes up that footwork while your in the pocket.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
dont be sorry its just an opinion... what Wilson is doing here with his lead arm is much different than what Kap/Trey are doing... Wilson is using the off hand and arm to generate roational inertia which is correct, Kap/Trey are using the off hand for balance to correct for errors in their passing motion

What are talking about the lead arm lol? It's a freaking screenshot

The lower half of throwing mechanics are what matter much more when it comes to throwing an accurate ball. Could his throwing motion be a little more compact sure…there's a s**t ton of QBs that are successful without being the best there.

you asserted from your pic of Wilson that Trey's passing mechanics are more like his... you are wrong as far as I am concerned, they are completely different and the lead arm is one example just from these pics alone... when guys wind up like Kap/Trey to throw the ball the lead arm extends out and they "point" because the wind up causes a a balance problem, its a hard habit to break...

The only thing I see in common between Trey and Kaepernick is they're wide striders. Trey needs to tighten his base. He's throwing with wide strides a lot(not every time) which inhibits hip rotation and will cause him to be inaccurate. Trey looks like a more natural thrower than Kaepernick was and is more grounded with his feet. Kaep would get really hoppy on his dropbacks. He also has a more compact and smooth throwing motion. Kaepernick looked like a pitcher winding up and Lance looks like an outfielder.

Lance won't have the extreme explosiveness in the run game as Kaepernick did but has more upside as a passer, IMO. Personally, I like Lance more as a prospect than I did Kaepernick and I was pretty high on Kaep in 2013 and early 14.

Wilson looks like a very, very smooth thrower. His body mechanics are really refined. It makes it look like he's hardly trying to throw a lot. I think he's the smoothest passer we've seen come out in a number of years.

EDIT: my bad. I thought y'all were talking about Zach Wilson, not Russ.

Trey has a tendency to wind it up like Kap, he doesn't do this all the time but it is something he is working on. Trey's main problem is his left leg/foot and I have explained that on here before. I don't think Trey is a natural pure passer, just a great athlete that is learning how to throw the ball, and I think he will always struggle to throw the ball consistently to NFL standards, disappointing considering where we drafted him and what we gave up.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Treyscuses LOL

And that's what you say when you're wrong. Thanks for playing

not really, we just have a difference of opinion, time will tell who is right

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
dont be sorry its just an opinion... what Wilson is doing here with his lead arm is much different than what Kap/Trey are doing... Wilson is using the off hand and arm to generate roational inertia which is correct, Kap/Trey are using the off hand for balance to correct for errors in their passing motion

What are talking about the lead arm lol? It's a freaking screenshot

The lower half of throwing mechanics are what matter much more when it comes to throwing an accurate ball. Could his throwing motion be a little more compact sure…there's a s**t ton of QBs that are successful without being the best there.

you asserted from your pic of Wilson that Trey's passing mechanics are more like his... you are wrong as far as I am concerned, they are completely different and the lead arm is one example just from these pics alone... when guys wind up like Kap/Trey to throw the ball the lead arm extends out and they "point" because the wind up causes a a balance problem, its a hard habit to break...

The only thing I see in common between Trey and Kaepernick is they're wide striders. Trey needs to tighten his base. He's throwing with wide strides a lot(not every time) which inhibits hip rotation and will cause him to be inaccurate. Trey looks like a more natural thrower than Kaepernick was and is more grounded with his feet. Kaep would get really hoppy on his dropbacks. He also has a more compact and smooth throwing motion. Kaepernick looked like a pitcher winding up and Lance looks like an outfielder.

Lance won't have the extreme explosiveness in the run game as Kaepernick did but has more upside as a passer, IMO. Personally, I like Lance more as a prospect than I did Kaepernick and I was pretty high on Kaep in 2013 and early 14.

Wilson looks like a very, very smooth thrower. His body mechanics are really refined. It makes it look like he's hardly trying to throw a lot. I think he's the smoothest passer we've seen come out in a number of years.

EDIT: my bad. I thought y'all were talking about Zach Wilson, not Russ.

Trey has a tendency to wind it up like Kap, he doesn't do this all the time but it is something he is working on. Trey's main problem is his left leg/foot and I have explained that on here before. I don't think Trey is a natural pure passer, just a great athlete that is learning how to throw the ball, and I think he will always struggle to throw the ball consistently to NFL standards, disappointing considering where we drafted him and what we gave up.

Ehhhh, I'm not sure he's a great athlete learning to throw the ball. I give him more credit than that. Yes, he does tend to step out too far with his front foot/leg but it's not like his a choppy/clunky passer.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
twins

Outside the color of their skin and playing for the same team, in what ways are they twins?

passing mechanics

are you trolling or are you trolling?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
The only thing I see in common between Trey and Kaepernick is they're wide striders. Trey needs to tighten his base. He's throwing with wide strides a lot(not every time) which inhibits hip rotation and will cause him to be inaccurate. Trey looks like a more natural thrower than Kaepernick was and is more grounded with his feet. Kaep would get really hoppy on his dropbacks. He also has a more compact and smooth throwing motion. Kaepernick looked like a pitcher winding up and Lance looks like an outfielder.

Lance won't have the extreme explosiveness in the run game as Kaepernick did but has more upside as a passer, IMO. Personally, I like Lance more as a prospect than I did Kaepernick and I was pretty high on Kaep in 2013 and early 14.

Wilson looks like a very, very smooth thrower. His body mechanics are really refined. It makes it look like he's hardly trying to throw a lot. I think he's the smoothest passer we've seen come out in a number of years.

EDIT: my bad. I thought y'all were talking about Zach Wilson, not Russ.

I agree with this…and yes Zack had the best mechanics of all the prospects in this class without a doubt.

I thought Lance improved tremendously on his footwork from 2019 to the off season clips we saw. He just needs more reps and to get more confident in his reads, when he loses that confidence he reverts back into some of his bad habits. All the double clutching and not being in rhythm messes up that footwork while your in the pocket.

Yeah, that and he is going to have to adjust the NFL game speed. Division II is much different than the NFL and we're seeing that. That's why I think he needs a good bit of practice time against NFL caliber players before we throw him to the fire. We have too much talent to do that.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
dont be sorry its just an opinion... what Wilson is doing here with his lead arm is much different than what Kap/Trey are doing... Wilson is using the off hand and arm to generate roational inertia which is correct, Kap/Trey are using the off hand for balance to correct for errors in their passing motion

What are talking about the lead arm lol? It's a freaking screenshot

The lower half of throwing mechanics are what matter much more when it comes to throwing an accurate ball. Could his throwing motion be a little more compact sure…there's a s**t ton of QBs that are successful without being the best there.

you asserted from your pic of Wilson that Trey's passing mechanics are more like his... you are wrong as far as I am concerned, they are completely different and the lead arm is one example just from these pics alone... when guys wind up like Kap/Trey to throw the ball the lead arm extends out and they "point" because the wind up causes a a balance problem, its a hard habit to break...

The only thing I see in common between Trey and Kaepernick is they're wide striders. Trey needs to tighten his base. He's throwing with wide strides a lot(not every time) which inhibits hip rotation and will cause him to be inaccurate. Trey looks like a more natural thrower than Kaepernick was and is more grounded with his feet. Kaep would get really hoppy on his dropbacks. He also has a more compact and smooth throwing motion. Kaepernick looked like a pitcher winding up and Lance looks like an outfielder.

Lance won't have the extreme explosiveness in the run game as Kaepernick did but has more upside as a passer, IMO. Personally, I like Lance more as a prospect than I did Kaepernick and I was pretty high on Kaep in 2013 and early 14.

Wilson looks like a very, very smooth thrower. His body mechanics are really refined. It makes it look like he's hardly trying to throw a lot. I think he's the smoothest passer we've seen come out in a number of years.

EDIT: my bad. I thought y'all were talking about Zach Wilson, not Russ.

Trey has a tendency to wind it up like Kap, he doesn't do this all the time but it is something he is working on. Trey's main problem is his left leg/foot and I have explained that on here before. I don't think Trey is a natural pure passer, just a great athlete that is learning how to throw the ball, and I think he will always struggle to throw the ball consistently to NFL standards, disappointing considering where we drafted him and what we gave up.

Ehhhh, I'm not sure he's a great athlete learning to throw the ball. I give him more credit than that. Yes, he does tend to step out too far with his front foot/leg but it's not like his a choppy/clunky passer.

to me he is very mechanical and jerky at times... not smooth and continuous as with Zach Wilson, that dude is pure

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
twins

that looks much closer, sorry dude

dont be sorry its just an opinion... what Wilson is doing here with his lead arm is much different than what Kap/Trey are doing... Wilson is using the off hand and arm to generate roational inertia which is correct, Kap/Trey are using the off hand for balance to correct for errors in their passing motion

I agree that is what Kap is doing but not wilson and lance. Look at the hips and shoulder level. Both Wilson and Trey have their hips open or opening first which will push the off hand in and allow the rotation to be fast and short. Kap is still square to the front which means his whole body will be rotating at the same time and he will use that arm for momentum and balance like you said.

Also if you look Wilson and Trey have the hips parallels to their shoulders where Kap has his left shoulder up high and his hips level to the ground. That ball is going to be high. Trey is flat on both, Wilson has both his left hip and right hip higher. Wilsons launch angle is set high so this could be one of his arching passes.

Looking at the one of jimmy posted here you can see the open hips and what is going to be a quick rotation, also his left shoulder is higher then the hip. I would guess this is one that was higher than he wanted it.

Scary thing with Kap is that he would have a lot more power if he fixed this rotation. That is nuts to think about.

Trey and Kaep are not the same at all. Is this really a thing lol

Let's start with their personalities and work ethic, not even the football part yet. Trey already has a command and certain swag in-front of the media and fans. He already says a lot clearly and concisely, without saying much at all. He's almost veteran like when handling the media. It's crazy. Kaep NEVER had that. He always sounded like an insecure baby in-front of the media. He would just be an a**hole to them and give them short answers (which I didn't mind at the time). We already know, even if he ends up being a bust, that Lance has a great work ethic. Shows up early, leaves late kind-of-guy. He's seems to be picking everyone's brains on the practice field (vets, coaches, waterboys, etc). I think we can agree Kaep never had a good work ethic. He never progressed in his game. Once he was figured out, he was done. That's an indicative sign of bad work-ethic.

Now the football piece of it. Kaepernick was 6'4" 230 lbs. Trey is 6'4" 220 right now. That's a little comparable. I think we can all agree Kaep may be a little faster at full-speed, but Lance has a better take-off (imo). Pick your poison of what you would want more. Throwing mechanics and touch are already favoring Lance imo. Yes that is with the rifles he's been throwing in pre-season. He's made some really nice touch passes and you can see the potential there. Kaep rarely threw a touch pass. He threw it hard and needed a clear lane (most of the time) to deliver the ball. Lance has much to work on, but I do not expect their mechanics and touch to be the same at all. This ties into the work ethic piece and I fully expect Lance to learn and grow in this area. Kaep did not. Finally, Lance has Shanahan, Kaep had Harbaugh. Both led us to SB's and lost. Shanny is the more offensive minded guru and has a history with making QB's good. Lance will be better than Kaep and anyone who says he's another Kaep is just wrong.