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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Once you saw he was available on draft day. Pre draft it was all Cesar Ruiz all the time. The guy that let Drew Brees get killed by a backup nobody.
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
But you, like NY, would never VALUE a G that high, hence why you have different position values than our own FO. And that starts with an archaic take on the position.
Not true. It depends on the player. Like NY i am a bit concerned about Banks but i'm willing to see what he has.
I actually wanted our first round pick in 2012 to be Kelechi Osemele.
It's about the player and their value in comparison to other players. It's also about the cost in free agency relative to other positions.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
I liked the Banks pick because I do think it fills an important positional need and he has some upside in pass protection but Asante Samuel Jr was there and fit our defense as well.
I'm happy that we acquired more picks and traded up for Sermon. Before the draft I predicted we would take an offensive weapon higher than most assumed we would and we did. Sermon was in my only mock so I'm happy we got him.
I don't think I would change our first 3 selections this past draft.
Oh I would have. I don't hate Banks or Trey..I get the picks and think they will be fine.
IMO there were better players to be had and guys that played the same positions drafted later with better value. Overall outside of Lance I wasn't a massive fan of this draft. As long as he turns into a FQB that's all that matters
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
No. He was my pick.
Once you saw he was available on draft day. Pre draft it was all Cesar Ruiz all the time. The guy that let Drew Brees get killed by a backup nobody.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Right. So anything but a G there. Good thing the FO thought better. But if he sucks, I'll gladly eat crow on this one.
Right no OG there BECAUSE there wasn't a OG WORTH a top 50 pick...how hard is that to get?
Dude I don't want to be an ass but I'm sure when he was drafted your were like...who? oh an IOL he must be good.
Originally posted by NCommand:
According to you and your devalued view of guards. To others, like the 49ers finally, they're much further up the positional value board especially after what they've just been through NOT valuing guards especially those where their strength is pass protection.
That's all I'm saying.
Your personal value system would probably never have you draft a guard within the first two rounds unless it's a bonafide HOF guard like Quenton Nelson. LOL
Originally posted by NCommand:
Nah, it was Wirfs or Lamb. No other options if guys want to talk value like you are at 50 esp. when compared to a dime a dozen run stuffing DT with bad knees.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Nah, it was Wirfs or Lamb. No other options if guys want to talk value like you are at 50 esp. when compared to a dime a dozen run stuffing DT with bad knees.
LOL yeah if Thomas was sitting there at 14 you would have wanted him all the same...If wirfs was gone you would have wanted Ruiz.
I know such bad knees, he was out there practicing today lol. No need to exaggerate to push this dumb narrative. s**t is old and stale dude.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
According to you and your devalued view of guards. To others, like the 49ers finally, they're much further up the positional value board especially after what they've just been through NOT valuing guards especially those where their strength is pass protection.
That's all I'm saying.
Your personal value system would probably never have you draft a guard within the first two rounds unless it's a bonafide HOF guard like Quenton Nelson. LOL
What's devalued? There hasn't been a ton of GREAT IOL in these past drafts overall. Compared to a lot of other positions and who starts at those positions (and where they were drafted) you can make a strong case that OG has a f**k ton of starters that most certainly are not top 50 picks.
Like I said I'll bet money you had no clue who Banks was or what he was good at prior to being the pick. Not trying to be an ass about it either.
My personal value system had SF drafting some damn good lineman which included IOL. I most certainly do NOT think Banks is 40 picks better than Kendrick Green. I don't think he's better than Creed or Quinn Meinerz if we're just gonna look at IOL.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Not at 14! Ruiz? LOL...at the end of the first and at C only.
Kinlaw will always be on-off just like last year. Knees weren't made to support a freak-body like that. LOL
Originally posted by NCommand:
It starts with your personal belief system. That's going to influence your value draft board. You've proven that. To me, you devalued the position.
Of course I knew who Banks was. He was in your OL draft thread!
That's cool if you value those three with him. I can understand why. But you still wouldn't take any of them with the first 50 picks. That's my point.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Never heard a peep from you about Banks….nothing.
Again it all depends on who's on the board…there were better products on the board hence why they weren't draft until later. I do not think Banks was a top 50 player in this draft regardless of his position, Toss in that he's playing RG and only that, yes it does lower his value.
it's one of the least impactful positions in the league. Money reflects that as well.
Originally posted by NCommand:
According to you and your devalued view of guards. To others, like the 49ers finally, they're much further up the positional value board especially after what they've just been through NOT valuing guards especially those where their strength is pass protection.
That's all I'm saying.
Your personal value system would probably never have you draft a guard within the first two rounds unless it's a bonafide HOF guard like Quenton Nelson. LOL
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Never heard a peep from you about Banks….nothing.
Again it all depends on who's on the board…there were better products on the board hence why they weren't draft until later. I do not think Banks was a top 50 player in this draft regardless of his position, Toss in that he's playing RG and only that, yes it does lower his value.
it's one of the least impactful positions in the league. Money reflects that as well.
Seems the proper way to fan is root for Banks to fail so you can prop up Mitchell and talk about a dime a dozen run blocking guard ad nauseam
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by NCommand:
According to you and your devalued view of guards. To others, like the 49ers finally, they're much further up the positional value board especially after what they've just been through NOT valuing guards especially those where their strength is pass protection.
That's all I'm saying.
Your personal value system would probably never have you draft a guard within the first two rounds unless it's a bonafide HOF guard like Quenton Nelson. LOL
Ignoring of course that Banks biggest strength is his size and straight ahead run blocking.
