RB Trey Sermon

Originally posted by Sickaa:
This Is why I'm against us drafting RB's with those early round picks. Stick to those late round/undrafted guys and develop them In to studs. No need to waste picks on drafting overrated Rbs.

I've ALWAYS thought this. Rb's are a dime-a-dozen imo.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by lamontb:
dude doesn't have much trade value

How about CHI? Maybe Justin Fields will vouch for him (college teammates). Agree, he doesn't have much value, if any.

THL, you are walking face first into a buzzsaw. A week 1 matchup vs an angry Trey Sermon. No, thank you.

Yeah I would hate for Sermon to give away all of our secrets to a vastly inferior opponent.

It would be the Trey Sermon revenge game. Lord save us.

we will rue the day we get rid of pettis.. of goodwin.. of trent taylor.. of jarrod hayne. of hurd. and now sermon

Originally posted by raywm3:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
This Is why I'm against us drafting RB's with those early round picks. Stick to those late round/undrafted guys and develop them In to studs. No need to waste picks on drafting overrated Rbs.

I've ALWAYS thought this. Rb's are a dime-a-dozen imo.

I dunno. Frank Gore was a 3rd round pick.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
Still ragging on Sermon?

As Kruger mentioned Sermon is a back that needs to be feed to produce as he did in college, at least 15-20+ runs.

David Lombardi still has him penciled on his 53, and Hasty on the bubble and Mason to the PS. Lombardi's take is much more consistent than hacks like cohn and Chapman etc who's high on Hasty who has already proven unproductive vs NFL starters in the past 2 seasons and have dropped passes as a 3rd down back and is near useless as a runner.

Lombardi isn't a fortune teller. He's making predictions same as we are.

If we cut Mason, odds are very high we lose him.

Doesn't mean he's going to be a pro bowler anytime soon or even sniff a starting rb role on any team, including the 9ers. I rather cut Hasty and keep Mason but no one has any idea which rb might not make the 53, will know in a few days, regardless hacks like cohn, Chapman, etc on YouTube are clueless and just hyping rooks looking good in preseason games, to get views, means nothing in their NFL futures long or short..

This is going to be sort of a "no s**t, Sherlock" post, but oh well. The problem is not drafting running backs early. The problem is drafting s**t running backs.

Derrick Henry was drafted 45th overall. Do you think a team would be kicking themselves if they drafted him 3rd overall? Of course not.

You just have to hit on your picks. Yes, you can find good running backs late in the draft. But if you hit on a superstar running back in the early rounds, no one would complain. If Trey Sermon was a star, would anyone be b***hing in here that we drafted another RB early? Of course not.

Its all about how good the player turns out to be.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by raywm3:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
This Is why I'm against us drafting RB's with those early round picks. Stick to those late round/undrafted guys and develop them In to studs. No need to waste picks on drafting overrated Rbs.

I've ALWAYS thought this. Rb's are a dime-a-dozen imo.

I dunno. Frank Gore was a 3rd round pick.

Frank was somewhat of a rarity though. If memory serves me he beat out both Portis and McGahee in college but blew out his knees. It was clear he was an amazing back and if the injury history isn't there he goes way higher in the draft. We got lucky that his injuries didn't follow him into the pros. Still one of my favorite 9ers of all time. He was so fun to watch run.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
This is going to be sort of a "no s**t, Sherlock" post, but oh well. The problem is not drafting running backs early. The problem is drafting s**t running backs.

Derrick Henry was drafted 45th overall. Do you think a team would be kicking themselves if they drafted him 3rd overall? Of course not.

You just have to hit on your picks. Yes, you can find good running backs late in the draft. But if you hit on a superstar running back in the early rounds, no one would complain. If Trey Sermon was a star, would anyone be b***hing in here that we drafted another RB early? Of course not.

Its all about how good the player turns out to be.

Common sense is not common in here.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by raywm3:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
This Is why I'm against us drafting RB's with those early round picks. Stick to those late round/undrafted guys and develop them In to studs. No need to waste picks on drafting overrated Rbs.

I've ALWAYS thought this. Rb's are a dime-a-dozen imo.

I dunno. Frank Gore was a 3rd round pick.

No, that's my point. I just find it a waste to spend the high draft capital (1st round specifically) and pay that much money for a position where you can get studs in later rounds or even free-agency. Certainly there are exceptions but I'd rather put my cap money into a late round RB (See Mitchell) and use the higher picks for more important positions.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
This is going to be sort of a "no s**t, Sherlock" post, but oh well. The problem is not drafting running backs early. The problem is drafting s**t running backs.

Derrick Henry was drafted 45th overall. Do you think a team would be kicking themselves if they drafted him 3rd overall? Of course not.

You just have to hit on your picks. Yes, you can find good running backs late in the draft. But if you hit on a superstar running back in the early rounds, no one would complain. If Trey Sermon was a star, would anyone be b***hing in here that we drafted another RB early? Of course not.

Its all about how good the player turns out to be.

Common sense is not common in here.

For me, I would still rather have (for example purposes) a Bosa and a Mitchell than a Henry and Aaron Banks. I just think, and this is where I totally get the ShannaLynch philosophy, that almost every other position is harder to fill than RB. I mean, that should be obvious. Name a position. Offensive guard- Give me Quenton Nelson over Derrick Henry. I'll just draft or sign a hundred Mosterts, Mitchell's, etc... They're everywhere.

Originally posted by raywm3:
No, that's my point. I just find it a waste to spend the high draft capital (1st round specifically) and pay that much money for a position where you can get studs in later rounds or even free-agency. Certainly there are exceptions but I'd rather put my cap money into a late round RB (See Mitchell) and use the higher picks for more important positions.

It's pretty much pointless these days to draft a RB high, 3rd round or higher. That's beside the point now, if it was up to me, I would cut Hasty, he's useless, keep Sermon and Mason on the 53, there by they don't have to worry about running out of every down running backs if Mitchell and Wilson gets injured, they can go with TDP, Sermon and or Mason.

Hasty is useless on this team, would rather uses those touches on Deebo and Ray Ray coming out of the back field.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
This is going to be sort of a "no s**t, Sherlock" post, but oh well. The problem is not drafting running backs early. The problem is drafting s**t running backs.

Derrick Henry was drafted 45th overall. Do you think a team would be kicking themselves if they drafted him 3rd overall? Of course not.

You just have to hit on your picks. Yes, you can find good running backs late in the draft. But if you hit on a superstar running back in the early rounds, no one would complain. If Trey Sermon was a star, would anyone be b***hing in here that we drafted another RB early? Of course not.

Its all about how good the player turns out to be.

I agree with this it's all about value and hitting your picks.

The whole point of keeping backups in the NFL is insurance, in case your starters is injured and unable to play and if they become starters or even better pro bowlers then you got lucky. Therefore they should keep TDP Sermon and Mason, every down backs, as the backups to Mitchell and Wilson consider how often running backs get injured on the 9ers since Kyle became HC.

Hasty brings nothing useful to this team and has already proven that in 2 seasons prior, (go check Hasty's stats vs Sermon) plus they have Deebo and Ray Ray who can do the same thing better, he's insurance to nothing.

Originally posted by raywm3:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
This is going to be sort of a "no s**t, Sherlock" post, but oh well. The problem is not drafting running backs early. The problem is drafting s**t running backs.

Derrick Henry was drafted 45th overall. Do you think a team would be kicking themselves if they drafted him 3rd overall? Of course not.

You just have to hit on your picks. Yes, you can find good running backs late in the draft. But if you hit on a superstar running back in the early rounds, no one would complain. If Trey Sermon was a star, would anyone be b***hing in here that we drafted another RB early? Of course not.

Its all about how good the player turns out to be.

Common sense is not common in here.

For me, I would still rather have (for example purposes) a Bosa and a Mitchell than a Henry and Aaron Banks. I just think, and this is where I totally get the ShannaLynch philosophy, that almost every other position is harder to fill than RB. I mean, that should be obvious. Name a position. Offensive guard- Give me Quenton Nelson over Derrick Henry. I'll just draft or sign a hundred Mosterts, Mitchell's, etc... They're everywhere.

Would you rather have Quinen Williams and Mitchell than Henry and Asante Samuel Jr? Not quite as easy now is it? Like I said, all about drafting the right guy.

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
The whole point of keeping backups in the NFL is insurance, in case your starters is injured and unable to play and if they become starters or even better pro bowlers then you got lucky. Therefore they should keep TDP Sermon and Mason, every down backs, as the backups to Mitchell and Wilson consider how often running backs get injured on the 9ers since Kyle became HC.

Hasty brings nothing useful to this team and has already proven that in 2 seasons prior plus they have Deebo and Ray Ray who can do the same thing better, he's insurance to nothing.

lol. he's probably the best pass-blocking RB on the team. add in his good hands and it's why he's the 3rd down back.

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
The whole point of keeping backups in the NFL is insurance, in case your starters is injured and unable to play and if they become starters or even better pro bowlers then you got lucky. Therefore they should keep TDP Sermon and Mason, every down backs, as the backups to Mitchell and Wilson consider how often running backs get injured on the 9ers since Kyle became HC.

Hasty brings nothing useful to this team and has already proven that in 2 seasons prior, (go check Hasty's stats vs Sermon) plus they have Deebo and Ray Ray who can do the same thing better, he's insurance to nothing.

I would agree that quality depth is important, especially at RB for our team. We haven't had the best injury history there in the last couple years.

But for Trey Sermon, it's concerning that even when the position was so thin last year due to injuries, he made minimal contributions as a 3rd rounder. There was hope that he'd make some strides this year. Hopefully he shows that he belongs in tonight's preseason game.