RB Trey Sermon

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Heroism:
His whiffs in pass pro are more concerning than his actual running. He had some solid runs last night despite getting no help from the OL.

My gut tells me he's going to make the team given the way Lynch and Shanny are talking about him.

Kyle Shanahan just praised Trey Sermon for this run on 3rd & 1 for winning 1-on-1 against an unblocked linebacker.

Shanahan said, "he almost had a big run," and "Trey came a long way here in a year. He's someone we can count on." pic.twitter.com/idsHaCzFe7

— KP (@KP_Show) August 26, 2022

People think Kyle and Lynch are dumb enough to be influenced in any way by drama 🤡 hacks like cohn spewing nonsense about cutting Sermon on social media when the o line is trash and is the biggest issue of the team atm? haha.. 🤣

Yup I didn't realize the crow buffet would be served up so quick.. yet here we are

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Heroism:
His whiffs in pass pro are more concerning than his actual running. He had some solid runs last night despite getting no help from the OL.

My gut tells me he's going to make the team given the way Lynch and Shanny are talking about him.

Kyle Shanahan just praised Trey Sermon for this run on 3rd & 1 for winning 1-on-1 against an unblocked linebacker.

Shanahan said, "he almost had a big run," and "Trey came a long way here in a year. He's someone we can count on." pic.twitter.com/idsHaCzFe7

— KP (@KP_Show) August 26, 2022

People think Kyle and Lynch are dumb enough to be influenced in any way by drama 🤡 hacks like cohn spewing nonsense about cutting Sermon on social media when the o line is trash and is the biggest issue of the team atm? haha.. 🤣

Yup I didn't realize the crow buffet would be served up so quick.. yet here we are

Last time I checked… the final roster has yet to be announced.

And even if Sermon makes the team. That doesn't mean he's better than Mason. DJ Reed says hi.



Mason consistently shows better awareness, he cuts better, he's more decisive, he plays faster, he breaks tackles better… it's insane you're bloviating about a worse player just because they could possibly make the team.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Last time I checked… the final roster has yet to be announced.

And even if Sermon makes the team. That doesn't mean he's better than Mason. DJ Reed says hi.

All of Trey Sermon's carries and targets from last night. pic.twitter.com/sChyV3TFOI

— Grant Cohn (@grantcohn) August 21, 2022

All of Jordan Mason's carries from last night. pic.twitter.com/5Jl1RpgxRU

— Grant Cohn (@grantcohn) August 21, 2022

Mason consistently shows better awareness, he cuts better, he's more decisive, he plays faster, he breaks tackles better… it's insane you're bloviating about a worse player just because they could possibly make the team.

I think he'd(Sermon) be better off in a power/gap scheme offense. He's just not a great wide zone runner.

That 4th Mason run shows the difference between a guy like Mason and Sermon. Mason trusts his reads and hits the tiny crease without hesitation; Sermon would likely waste steps and look to create on his own in that scenario. Alex Gibbs always stressed the importance of trusting the reads and taking what's there. Negative plays aren't supposed to happen in this scheme. I believe Gibbs' offenses always led the league in least negative runs.

Originally posted by Heroism:
I think he'd(Sermon) be better off in a power/gap scheme offense. He's just not a great wide zone runner.

That 4th Mason run shows the difference between a guy like Mason and Sermon. Mason trusts his reads and hits the tiny crease without hesitation; Sermon would likely waste steps and look to create on his own in that scenario.

Mason just goes. Sermon thinks. In this offense as a RB, you really have to just go. Alex Gibbs used to lose his mind over RBs being tentative.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Mason just goes. Sermon thinks. In this offense as a RB, you really have to just go. Alex Gibbs used to lose his mind over RBs being tentative.

Lol, I just added this in my edit.

Alex Gibbs always stressed the importance of trusting the reads and taking what's there. Negative plays aren't supposed to happen in this scheme. I believe Gibbs' offenses always led the league in least negative runs.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Last time I checked… the final roster has yet to be announced.

And even if Sermon makes the team. That doesn't mean he's better than Mason. DJ Reed says hi.

All of Trey Sermon's carries and targets from last night. pic.twitter.com/sChyV3TFOI

— Grant Cohn (@grantcohn) August 21, 2022

All of Jordan Mason's carries from last night. pic.twitter.com/5Jl1RpgxRU

— Grant Cohn (@grantcohn) August 21, 2022

Mason consistently shows better awareness, he cuts better, he's more decisive, he plays faster, he breaks tackles better… it's insane you're bloviating about a worse player just because they could possibly make the team.

Grant's twitter profile pic holy bleep he looks so pretentious it's like he's posing how he feels a real journo might pose

Originally posted by Heroism:
His whiffs in pass pro are more concerning than his actual running. He had some solid runs last night despite getting no help from the OL.

My gut tells me he's going to make the team given the way Lynch and Shanny are talking about him.

Not buying it but we have a few days. Not sure about Trey's practice squad eligibility, but my thought is if they can put him there, they will. A RB not succeeding here isn't a good look, so I can't seen another team claiming him. Go Mitchell, TDP, Wilson, and Mason!

Originally posted by Heroism:
I think he'd(Sermon) be better off in a power/gap scheme offense. He's just not a great wide zone runner.

That 4th Mason run shows the difference between a guy like Mason and Sermon. Mason trusts his reads and hits the tiny crease without hesitation; Sermon would likely waste steps and look to create on his own in that scenario. Alex Gibbs always stressed the importance of trusting the reads and taking what's there. Negative plays aren't supposed to happen in this scheme. I believe Gibbs' offenses always led the league in least negative runs.

I saw how Mason ran vs a better Texan backup and 3rd string defense, and guess what? With his style he got smacked. Yes Mason has better speed than Sermon MAYBE and is more decisive aka don't care attitude, very similar runner as TDP but is he good enough against NFL starters right now? Probably not, if he goes to the PS, that's what Kyle and Lynch thinks he is as well. If he makes 53, they would have to think he's good enough against NFL starters right now, regardless he looks raw and inexperienced like TDP and Sermon looks like a 2nd year backup who has some NFL experience.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Heroism:
I think he'd(Sermon) be better off in a power/gap scheme offense. He's just not a great wide zone runner.

That 4th Mason run shows the difference between a guy like Mason and Sermon. Mason trusts his reads and hits the tiny crease without hesitation; Sermon would likely waste steps and look to create on his own in that scenario.

Mason just goes. Sermon thinks. In this offense as a RB, you really have to just go. Alex Gibbs used to lose his mind over RBs being tentative.

I don't think Sermon was drafted to excel in a wide zone scheme. His college tape of good runs were when he ran inside zone. The team drafted Lance, Sermon, and Banks to improve running between the tackles. So I agree with you that he would look better in a gap scheme (Oklahoma State), and maybe inside zone (Ohio State), but I think that's where Kyle wants to be better. Is Sermon the guy? I don't know, but I think that's why he was drafted (not for outside zone).

The people talking about the hesitancy, I would imagine the NFL might be a bigger adjustment for him than some other guys. Not making excuses for him though I want him to succeed. But he played in college with not one but two powerhouse programs. Oklahoma and Ohio State are generally miles better than whomever they play every single week. He went from likely having gaping holes to run through to having them close a lot quicker or never develop at all. Now it is still on him to not overthink and just go. But he went from being on an almost NFL level teams relative to the competition he faced to things being a bit more even. Guys like Mitchell, Mason, Wilson, heck even TDP as LSU came back to earth quickly had a lot more to prove.

That isn't saying Sermon doesn't need to prove it. But he's probably on the team.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Last time I checked… the final roster has yet to be announced.

And even if Sermon makes the team. That doesn't mean he's better than Mason. DJ Reed says hi.

All of Trey Sermon's carries and targets from last night. pic.twitter.com/sChyV3TFOI

— Grant Cohn (@grantcohn) August 21, 2022

All of Jordan Mason's carries from last night. pic.twitter.com/5Jl1RpgxRU

— Grant Cohn (@grantcohn) August 21, 2022

Mason consistently shows better awareness, he cuts better, he's more decisive, he plays faster, he breaks tackles better… it's insane you're bloviating about a worse player just because they could possibly make the team.

I think he'd(Sermon) be better off in a power/gap scheme offense. He's just not a great wide zone runner.

That 4th Mason run shows the difference between a guy like Mason and Sermon. Mason trusts his reads and hits the tiny crease without hesitation; Sermon would likely waste steps and look to create on his own in that scenario. Alex Gibbs always stressed the importance of trusting the reads and taking what's there. Negative plays aren't supposed to happen in this scheme. I believe Gibbs' offenses always led the league in least negative runs.

Really? I feel like under Kyle OZ runs are boom (big hitters) or bust (3 yard losses). I wonder how our TFL stack up with the rest of the league. I know how the explosives do!

Originally posted by NCommand:
Really? I feel like under Kyle OZ runs are boom (big hitters) or bust (3 yard losses). I wonder how our TFL stack up with the rest of the league. I know how the explosives do!

Yup, the entire run scheme is predicated on 2 things:

1. No negatives
2. Big explosive plays

Gibbs' talked about it in this seminar:

Our offense is predicated on two things. Everything you're going to hear today is going to be predicated on no negatives. If there are runs that are negatives, I don't give a f**k how good those good ones were. We have led the league 11 out of 12 years in no negatives...We want to be the bottom team in negatives. If the run is a no negative, we never create third and real long. Efficiency is b******t. I want no negatives and big explosives."

Starts at @9:55. I highly recommend watching the entire thing if you love learning technical football. Gibbs was brilliant and a straight shooter.

This bum is gonna make the team only because Shanahan is way too arrogant to admit his mistakes

Sorry. Double post.

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
We can't keep all the RB's.

IMO, Sermon will be the first on the block.

Hopefully we can trade him instead of letting him walk.

No trade value bro. Just cut him and move on.

Agree. Sermon just doesn't pass the eye test with me. Mason does though. I'd put Mason on the 53 and put Trey on the practice squad. We shall see by Tuesday what's to happen.