RB Trey Sermon

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
This bum is gonna make the team only because Shanahan is way too arrogant to admit his mistakes

kyle is getting old and nutty.. thinks sermon is good and deserves a spot.. thinks the o line is fine. jesus

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
This bum is gonna make the team only because Shanahan is way too arrogant to admit his mistakes

Not true. He's gotten rid of worthless players relatively quickly: Joe Williams, pettis

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
This bum is gonna make the team only because Shanahan is way too arrogant to admit his mistakes

Not true. He's gotten rid of worthless players relatively quickly: Joe Williams, pettis

True. He has a loyalty to his players but when you're gone…..you're gone. Sermon has looked like trash in preseason but Lynch and Shanahan have stated he looked very good in Training Camp. This is why he will probably make our 53 and another player who is better will be let go. Sucks

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
This bum is gonna make the team only because Shanahan is way too arrogant to admit his mistakes

Not true. He's gotten rid of worthless players relatively quickly: Joe Williams, pettis

True. He has a loyalty to his players but when you're gone…..you're gone. Sermon has looked like trash in preseason but Lynch and Shanahan have stated he looked very good in Training Camp. This is why he will probably make our 53 and another player who is better will be let go. Sucks

No one knows what's going to happen but I think people do let their imagination get away from them based on what they want or what they think should happen.

There are baseball players who have terrible spring trainings who make the team because their roster spot was never in jeopardy to begin with and they are fine in the regular season. Granted they are generally more established players than Sermon. Similarly there are guys who have fantastic springs who go straight back down to the minors or get the call, struggle constantly, and get sent back down to the minors.

Same with football. I remember years ago, and I mean years ago, we had on our preseason roster Na'il Benjamin out of Cal as a WR. He scored maybe a couple of touchdowns in a preseason game. I remember he looked pretty good and my dad was laughing, making fun of me that we had "Niles Crane". At any rate, he didn't make the team and I don't know if he was on any roster after that.

I think a lot of people thought Sermon's spot was in jeopardy because we drafted another running back in the third round this year. But I mean, we lost Mostert, we had backs constantly banged up last year, and there were rumblings, don't know how true, that Deebo didn't want to be used that way anymore.

There were also people who thought Trey was going to beat out Jimmy or be given a legitimate chance to last season and that was never remotely the case.

It isn't like Sermon was absurdly bad last year. He averaged 4.1 YPC and in his game where he received starter type carries he averaged about 4.7 YPC and ran for 89 yards. It was more, "why isn't he playing" and he should be better than this based on where he was drafted.

That said, going back to what I first said, maybe he doesn't make the roster. We'll all find out soon enough.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Really? I feel like under Kyle OZ runs are boom (big hitters) or bust (3 yard losses). I wonder how our TFL stack up with the rest of the league. I know how the explosives do!

Yup, the entire run scheme is predicated on 2 things:

1. No negatives
2. Big explosive plays

Gibbs' talked about it in this seminar:

Our offense is predicated on two things. Everything you're going to hear today is going to be predicated on no negatives. If there are runs that are negatives, I don't give a f**k how good those good ones were. We have led the league 11 out of 12 years in no negatives...We want to be the bottom team in negatives. If the run is a no negative, we never create third and real long. Efficiency is b******t. I want no negatives and big explosives."

Starts at @9:55. I highly recommend watching the entire thing if you love learning technical football. Gibbs was brilliant and a straight shooter.

Beautiful. Kyle's got some work to do then...gotta get back to these roots!

Originally posted by cciowa:
kyle is getting old and nutty.. thinks sermon is good and deserves a spot.. thinks the o line is fine. jesus

Yeah I know right, crazy that we can't have Pro Bowlers at every position. Elite offensive play makers, elite D line, elite LBs and potentially elite secondary it's impossible to be super stacked everywhere.

Originally posted by illinois9er:
Yeah I know right, crazy that we can't have Pro Bowlers at every position. Elite offensive play makers, elite D line, elite LBs and potentially elite secondary it's impossible to be super stacked everywhere.

Except in some fans brains.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Really? I feel like under Kyle OZ runs are boom (big hitters) or bust (3 yard losses). I wonder how our TFL stack up with the rest of the league. I know how the explosives do!

Yup, the entire run scheme is predicated on 2 things:

1. No negatives
2. Big explosive plays

Gibbs' talked about it in this seminar:

Our offense is predicated on two things. Everything you're going to hear today is going to be predicated on no negatives. If there are runs that are negatives, I don't give a f**k how good those good ones were. We have led the league 11 out of 12 years in no negatives...We want to be the bottom team in negatives. If the run is a no negative, we never create third and real long. Efficiency is b******t. I want no negatives and big explosives."

Starts at @9:55. I highly recommend watching the entire thing if you love learning technical football. Gibbs was brilliant and a straight shooter.

I remember reading a study about this, gap runs versus outside zone runs and which resulted in more negative plays. It was a quantitative study. It was old, I'll see if I can find it.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
This bum is gonna make the team only because Shanahan is way too arrogant to admit his mistakes

kyle is getting old and nutty.. thinks sermon is good and deserves a spot.. thinks the o line is fine. jesus

this guy is yearning for chip kelly to come back

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
This bum is gonna make the team only because Shanahan is way too arrogant to admit his mistakes

kyle is getting old and nutty.. thinks sermon is good and deserves a spot.. thinks the o line is fine. jesus

It worries me that Lynch and KS both talk up the O line and Sermon when both are obviously serious cause for worry. Either they know it and don't want to admit it, or worse, they don't recognize it! If Sermon stays, and that's an ego-based decision,and we lose Mason or Hasty or both..........the practice squad won't hide them for long.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Really? I feel like under Kyle OZ runs are boom (big hitters) or bust (3 yard losses). I wonder how our TFL stack up with the rest of the league. I know how the explosives do!

Yup, the entire run scheme is predicated on 2 things:

1. No negatives
2. Big explosive plays

Gibbs' talked about it in this seminar:

Our offense is predicated on two things. Everything you're going to hear today is going to be predicated on no negatives. If there are runs that are negatives, I don't give a f**k how good those good ones were. We have led the league 11 out of 12 years in no negatives...We want to be the bottom team in negatives. If the run is a no negative, we never create third and real long. Efficiency is b******t. I want no negatives and big explosives."

Starts at @9:55. I highly recommend watching the entire thing if you love learning technical football. Gibbs was brilliant and a straight shooter.

I remember reading a study about this, gap runs versus outside zone runs and which resulted in more negative plays. It was a quantitative study. It was old, I'll see if I can find it.

I keep looking for "most tackles for loss allowed 2021 by team" and it keeps saying SF lead the league with 98. But I'm unsure if that's allowed by our OL or acquired by our defense.

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by cciowa:
kyle is getting old and nutty.. thinks sermon is good and deserves a spot.. thinks the o line is fine. jesus

Yeah I know right, crazy that we can't have Pro Bowlers at every position. Elite offensive play makers, elite D line, elite LBs and potentially elite secondary it's impossible to be super stacked everywhere.

I'm pretty sure that's not what he meant lol

Originally posted by NCommand:
I keep looking for "most tackles for loss allowed 2021 by team" and it keeps saying SF lead the league with 98. But I'm unsure if that's allowed by our OL or acquired by our defense.

Originally posted by thl408:
I remember reading a study about this, gap runs versus outside zone runs and which resulted in more negative plays. It was a quantitative study. It was old, I'll see if I can find it.

If either of you finds the numbers for least negatives, please post it. That would be cool to dive into.

Originally posted by Heroism:
If either of you finds the numbers for least negatives, please post it. That would be cool to dive into.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2005/zone-blocking-vs-man-blocking

Like I mentioned, it's an old article. The graphs at the bottom show the stuff rate of zone blocking runs versus man blocking runs.

Regardless who's at RB, it's going to be tough getting yards if the o line sucks, with a new center and 2 new guards who suck or any where near average at best.