RB Trey Sermon

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Ohio State QB's and RB's seem to flame out a lot in the NFL.

I mean, as far as running backs go, Ezekiel Elliott, Eddie George, and JK Dobbins last year all say hi.

Heck, working on his eighth season and with 3 of those seasons of at least 900 yards rushing, Carlos Hyde hasn't "flamed out".

Justin Fields is also showing a tremendous amount of promise in Chicago as a QB.

Quite frankly, we could look at Trent Richardson, Glenn Coffee, TJ Yeldon, Bo Scarborough, etc and say Alabama RB's kind of suck in the NFL.

Or Matt Leinart, Matt Barkley, Cody Kessler, Sam Darnold and say USC QB's need to be avoided.

Just based on simple numbers the schools that place a ton of talent into the NFL are going to have a higher likelihood of "busts" because they're putting a higher number of players in the league. They're also going to have a higher likelihood perhaps of some superstars for the same reason.

Ohio State is power running school. Too much hype at those spots.

WR's and DB's are cool and Linemen are dope though.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Not by any means giving up this early on Sermon. I liked what I saw from him at Ohio St. As he gets further acclimated to the NFL & this scheme, I want to see what he can do, how productive he can be.

If he would lay off the two-step dance moves before he reaches the LOS, he would be a lot better. He probably got away with that a lot in college, but it doesn't work in the NFL. If you see even the hint of a crease, you bolt for it, not dance your way into it.

I think we will probably see a lot of Sermon early in this game. If he keeps up with the dance moves, I don't think we'll see him late.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Not by any means giving up this early on Sermon. I liked what I saw from him at Ohio St. As he gets further acclimated to the NFL & this scheme, I want to see what he can do, how productive he can be.

He'd be a good backup to Mitchell.

I'm hoping he'll be a number one workhorse back for Kyle. I'm thinking if there is an even balance between the inside runs and the outside runs, it will be that much more difficult to defend Kyle's run game creativity. It's the old thunder and lighting run offense. I think that will give Kyle's OLine a lot more versatility and possibly less injury vs relying exclusively on the outside zone. (at least I hope so) With LA and Seattle having astro-turf fields, that's 2+ games a year on astro turf where I think the outside zone game leads more to injuries due to it's side to side nature and one cut philosophy that really strains the ankles and knees of the players.

He has done ok when given some touches. Give him a chance, especially if Mitchell can't play.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Not by any means giving up this early on Sermon. I liked what I saw from him at Ohio St. As he gets further acclimated to the NFL & this scheme, I want to see what he can do, how productive he can be.

If he would lay off the two-step dance moves before he reaches the LOS, he would be a lot better. He probably got away with that a lot in college, but it doesn't work in the NFL. If you see even the hint of a crease, you bolt for it, not dance your way into it.

I think we will probably see a lot of Sermon early in this game. If he keeps up with the dance moves, I don't think we'll see him late.

Agreed, see the hole and hit it decisively.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Not by any means giving up this early on Sermon. I liked what I saw from him at Ohio St. As he gets further acclimated to the NFL & this scheme, I want to see what he can do, how productive he can be.

If he would lay off the two-step dance moves before he reaches the LOS, he would be a lot better. He probably got away with that a lot in college, but it doesn't work in the NFL. If you see even the hint of a crease, you bolt for it, not dance your way into it.

I think we will probably see a lot of Sermon early in this game. If he keeps up with the dance moves, I don't think we'll see him late.

Agreed, see the hole and hit it decisively.

I've hit every hole that I've come across in my life.

Consensually of course.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Not by any means giving up this early on Sermon. I liked what I saw from him at Ohio St. As he gets further acclimated to the NFL & this scheme, I want to see what he can do, how productive he can be.

If he would lay off the two-step dance moves before he reaches the LOS, he would be a lot better. He probably got away with that a lot in college, but it doesn't work in the NFL. If you see even the hint of a crease, you bolt for it, not dance your way into it.

I think we will probably see a lot of Sermon early in this game. If he keeps up with the dance moves, I don't think we'll see him late.

Agreed, see the hole and hit it decisively.

I've hit every hole that I've come across in my life.

Consensually of course.

Hey now!

Would be great to see Sermon do well if called upon this Sunday due to Mitchell being out/limited.

Originally posted by Niner4ever:

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Ohio State QB's and RB's seem to flame out a lot in the NFL.

I mean, as far as running backs go, Ezekiel Elliott, Eddie George, and JK Dobbins last year all say hi.

Heck, working on his eighth season and with 3 of those seasons of at least 900 yards rushing, Carlos Hyde hasn't "flamed out".

Justin Fields is also showing a tremendous amount of promise in Chicago as a QB.

Quite frankly, we could look at Trent Richardson, Glenn Coffee, TJ Yeldon, Bo Scarborough, etc and say Alabama RB's kind of suck in the NFL.

Or Matt Leinart, Matt Barkley, Cody Kessler, Sam Darnold and say USC QB's need to be avoided.

Just based on simple numbers the schools that place a ton of talent into the NFL are going to have a higher likelihood of "busts" because they're putting a higher number of players in the league. They're also going to have a higher likelihood perhaps of some superstars for the same reason.

Ohio State is power running school. Too much hype at those spots.

WR's and DB's are cool and Linemen are dope though.

Well they certainly used to be a power running school. But with their current lead running back being 195 pounds coming into Ohio State (did bulk up to 210) and with their last two starting QB's being Heisman finalists due to their passing (Fields admittedly a dual threat) and this year's starting QB averaging over 300 yards a game through the air, it's hard to call them a power running school at this point.

Thing is, there hasn't been a ton of "hype" around Ohio State running backs coming into the league. There was with Zeke. There was some with Dobbins but there was also uncertainty with him. There was some hype or at least hope with Hyde. Other than that, pretty much every Ohio State back coming into the league has been drafted lower than what Sermon was, other than Beanie Wells back in 2009 and Joe Montgomery (oddly) by the Giants in 1999. Go back further and you get Eddie George, Robert Smith, and Keith Byars as first rounders out of Ohio State, none of whom were remotely busts. Byars admittedly was a better pass catching weapon than rushing weapon in the NFL but he still had a solid career.

Now there has of course been hype over the QB's the last two times. Haskins is a head case and Fields is not and so thus far Fields is promising and Haskins is trying to hang on to a spot in the NFL.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Not by any means giving up this early on Sermon. I liked what I saw from him at Ohio St. As he gets further acclimated to the NFL & this scheme, I want to see what he can do, how productive he can be.

If he would lay off the two-step dance moves before he reaches the LOS, he would be a lot better. He probably got away with that a lot in college, but it doesn't work in the NFL. If you see even the hint of a crease, you bolt for it, not dance your way into it.

I think we will probably see a lot of Sermon early in this game. If he keeps up with the dance moves, I don't think we'll see him late.

Agreed, see the hole and hit it decisively.

I've hit every hole that I've come across in my life.

Consensually of course.

Hey now!

Would be great to see Sermon do well if called upon this Sunday due to Mitchell being out/limited.

This. Would like to see Sermon get reps with Wilson to try to keep Mitchell healthy for later games if we can

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Ohio State QB's and RB's seem to flame out a lot in the NFL.

I mean, as far as running backs go, Ezekiel Elliott, Eddie George, and JK Dobbins last year all say hi.

Heck, working on his eighth season and with 3 of those seasons of at least 900 yards rushing, Carlos Hyde hasn't "flamed out".

Justin Fields is also showing a tremendous amount of promise in Chicago as a QB.

Quite frankly, we could look at Trent Richardson, Glenn Coffee, TJ Yeldon, Bo Scarborough, etc and say Alabama RB's kind of suck in the NFL.

Or Matt Leinart, Matt Barkley, Cody Kessler, Sam Darnold and say USC QB's need to be avoided.

Just based on simple numbers the schools that place a ton of talent into the NFL are going to have a higher likelihood of "busts" because they're putting a higher number of players in the league. They're also going to have a higher likelihood perhaps of some superstars for the same reason.

Kind of hard to overlook King Henry, Najee, Ingram, Jacobs, Drake and D Harris. Running back U along with almost every position U

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Ohio State QB's and RB's seem to flame out a lot in the NFL.

I mean, as far as running backs go, Ezekiel Elliott, Eddie George, and JK Dobbins last year all say hi.

Heck, working on his eighth season and with 3 of those seasons of at least 900 yards rushing, Carlos Hyde hasn't "flamed out".

Justin Fields is also showing a tremendous amount of promise in Chicago as a QB.

Quite frankly, we could look at Trent Richardson, Glenn Coffee, TJ Yeldon, Bo Scarborough, etc and say Alabama RB's kind of suck in the NFL.

Or Matt Leinart, Matt Barkley, Cody Kessler, Sam Darnold and say USC QB's need to be avoided.

Just based on simple numbers the schools that place a ton of talent into the NFL are going to have a higher likelihood of "busts" because they're putting a higher number of players in the league. They're also going to have a higher likelihood perhaps of some superstars for the same reason.

Kind of hard to overlook King Henry, Najee, Ingram, Jacobs, Drake and D Harris. Running back U along with almost every position U

I mean, you're responding to an Ohio State fan so shut up.

No, but the point was, and it's been made, that it's kind of silly to say "position players from school X never pan out so avoid them". He didn't say avoid him, he just said Ohio State RB's and QB's flame out and that's not necessarily true. Or at least not a predictor of what will happen with Sermon.

That said, of the guys you listed, there's really one, maybe two star running backs in Henry and Jacobs. But they all have carved/are carving out respective roles in the NFL and yeah Ingram has been a solid back for a number of years.

Schools like Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, Georgia, Oklahoma, programs that have been in the playoffs or running to be in the playoffs every year essentially are going to put a lot of guys in the NFL that will be hits and misses both. They get the most talented high school players to start with and send a lot of them on to the NFL. Things happen good and bad along the way.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Not by any means giving up this early on Sermon. I liked what I saw from him at Ohio St. As he gets further acclimated to the NFL & this scheme, I want to see what he can do, how productive he can be.

If he would lay off the two-step dance moves before he reaches the LOS, he would be a lot better. He probably got away with that a lot in college, but it doesn't work in the NFL. If you see even the hint of a crease, you bolt for it, not dance your way into it.

I think we will probably see a lot of Sermon early in this game. If he keeps up with the dance moves, I don't think we'll see him late.

Agreed, see the hole and hit it decisively.

This doesnt always work in reality. Sounds good though. Barry Sanders was actually a patient runner. Prime Leveon Bell was extremely patient. I dont think we should try to change Sermon into something hes not. Every runner has their own style and his style got him to be a 3rd round pick. My vote is just let him play and see what happens. He does dance around but Ive also seen him hit holes decisively at times in his limited sample size. Let Sermon be Sermon..may not work for Shanny but u gotta look at the coach for drafting him. Look how long it took Mostert to find a system that fit him in the NFL.

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by Niner4ever:
Ohio State QB's and RB's seem to flame out a lot in the NFL.

I mean, as far as running backs go, Ezekiel Elliott, Eddie George, and JK Dobbins last year all say hi.

Heck, working on his eighth season and with 3 of those seasons of at least 900 yards rushing, Carlos Hyde hasn't "flamed out".

Justin Fields is also showing a tremendous amount of promise in Chicago as a QB.

Quite frankly, we could look at Trent Richardson, Glenn Coffee, TJ Yeldon, Bo Scarborough, etc and say Alabama RB's kind of suck in the NFL.

Or Matt Leinart, Matt Barkley, Cody Kessler, Sam Darnold and say USC QB's need to be avoided.

Just based on simple numbers the schools that place a ton of talent into the NFL are going to have a higher likelihood of "busts" because they're putting a higher number of players in the league. They're also going to have a higher likelihood perhaps of some superstars for the same reason.

Kind of hard to overlook King Henry, Najee, Ingram, Jacobs, Drake and D Harris. Running back U along with almost every position U

I mean, you're responding to an Ohio State fan so shut up.

No, but the point was, and it's been made, that it's kind of silly to say "position players from school X never pan out so avoid them". He didn't say avoid him, he just said Ohio State RB's and QB's flame out and that's not necessarily true. Or at least not a predictor of what will happen with Sermon.

That said, of the guys you listed, there's really one, maybe two star running backs in Henry and Jacobs. But they all have carved/are carving out respective roles in the NFL and yeah Ingram has been a solid back for a number of years.

Schools like Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, Georgia, Oklahoma, programs that have been in the playoffs or running to be in the playoffs every year essentially are going to put a lot of guys in the NFL that will be hits and misses both. They get the most talented high school players to start with and send a lot of them on to the NFL. Things happen good and bad along the way.

I agree with your point completely. Treat every prospect as their own, just because Haskins busted doesn't mean Quinn Ewers will. Same with Trent Richardson and the Bama guys.
I was just bragging lol.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I've hit every hole that I've come across in my life.

Consensually of course.

Nice!

They have to get Sermon some carries on Sunday if Mitchell can't go. Wilson just got back. It would be reckless to put the entire workload on him.