RB Trey Sermon

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Sermon looked really good out there today, that catch he had to get into FG range was great, he had some nice carries, kid just needs to keep developing, stop writing off players after 1yr, 2yrs, and especially 10 games.

He had two very good runs at the start of that drive in the 3rd quarter that began inside the 10. Drove the CB back about two yards on the first one. Second one he did a nice job staying behind his pads.

Just needs more time.

I agree, too soon to give up on him. I like the fact that he seems to have good hands, in receiving-- which might be as or more important for Kyle in his system. He has some attributes of a power back, and i can see him doing some damage in more of a power blocking/inside zone game. It just doesn't seem he has the speed to run Kyles particular outside zone though.

I mean,again I'm an Ohio State fan but at that said I can be objective to say maybe he busts.
But this is a guy that took a while to get going and get himself acclimated at Ohio State and people thought he was a bust there. Then he breaks the school record for rushing yardage in a game against Northwestern and runs all over Clemson as well.

And based on a very minimal amount of carries in the NFL people are already declaring him to be a wasted pick? Okay.

Well as long as Coach Turner vouches for him, I'm sure he'll stick around. Having said that, if Kyle picks another UDFA Sermon 2.0 in next year offseason cycle, all bets may be off. Sermon (so far) looks like another possible 3rd round pick that's busted.

Still, again too soon to write him off yet. If he's slow developing as you say he seems to be, I'd give him one more year to develop. As others have said, RB is typically a position where you can tell right away they are going to be good or bad - Mitchell for example. What I'd look for is that as he gets more carries - he gets better as *this* season wears on. I'm looking for him to be much better in this years Game 16 or Game 17 than currently. Hope hope.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He had a really good catch in there. I thought he did pretty well.

Still doing a little too much dancing instead of hitting the hole hard like Mitchell has. He's getting better at that and his receiving skills are definitely apparent. Still a work in progress.

Yeah but that catch really impressed me. That was like a WR. I didn't expect that at all.

It was a nice catch, but what impressed even more was his head on his shoulders. He immediately headed for the sideline (at an angle, picking up yards,) but knew exactly how much time was left on the clock. For a guy not playing much, he had his head in the game. So two surprises on one play. Both well done.

The scouting report is that he had good hands - good to see him utilizing them, we need it.

Originally posted by mayo49:
The scouting report is that he had good hands - good to see him utilizing them, we need it.

He's a big guy, bigger than Wilson, I can see Kyle using him as a fullback in the eleven personnel formation, to block for Deebo. Specially if he has the catching ability of Tom Rathman. I hope Sermon continues to develop. OhioNiner, I think, said that Sermon tends to take a bit of time in getting comfortable in offensive schemes, but once he does, he's outstanding. I hope OhioNiner is right, but in the meantime, if that's true -- I'd also expect Sermon to *drastically* improve towards the end of *this* season.

Originally posted by redwood:
I thought Sermon did OK, not spectacular, but OK. Jags do have a good run defense. If I am not mistaken, Sermon's yards per carry was higher then Wilson's.

And the fact that for a rookie who isn't on the field much building rhythm, he's facing a defense that is selling out on the run.

Wilson also looked rusty... there was a few runs where he looked like he took the wrong hole.... or that one run where instead of using the blocker infront of him and cutting inside... Jeff just ran at his his blocker and the defender and hurled over them. 🤣

Sermon looked slow.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Sermon looked slow.

He was hesitating - that's why he looked slow.

Sermon isnt slow he just has a patient Leveon Bell type of style which may not work in Kyles scheme. Slow/bad rbs dont get drafted in the 3rd round if at all. Hes just gotta somehow find a way to use his style within this system.

He looked pretty good

Originally posted by hubbyt:
Sermon isnt slow he just has a patient Leveon Bell type of style which may not work in Kyles scheme. Slow/bad rbs dont get drafted in the 3rd round if at all. Hes just gotta somehow find a way to use his style within this system.

Wut?

Bad running backs get drafted high all the time. What does this even mean?

Originally posted by hubbyt:
Sermon isnt slow he just has a patient Leveon Bell type of style which may not work in Kyles scheme. Slow/bad rbs dont get drafted in the 3rd round if at all. Hes just gotta somehow find a way to use his style within this system.

Personally, I think Kyle has to change up some of the run blocking schemes to take advantage of Sermon's power running and tackle breaking ability. Trying to have Sermon run the outside zone with his lack of speed is I think counter productive. Where I can see Sermon being a key cog in Kyle's offense is being able to catch the ball and being able to block for the other more speedy backs in the 11 or 21 personnel.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Personally, I think Kyle has to change up some of the run blocking schemes to take advantage of Sermon's power running and tackle breaking ability. Trying to have Sermon run the outside zone with his lack of speed is I think counter productive. Where I can see Sermon being a key cog in Kyle's offense is being able to catch the ball and being able to block for the other more speedy backs in the 11 or 21 personnel.

Kyle calls a bunch of gap/power runs every single week. Hell, Deebo was running power/counter yesterday.

Mitchell does just fine in the base wide zone and the supplementary gap/power stuff. Trey Sermon needs to step the f**k up because he's trending towards a(nother) wasted day-2 pick.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Sermon looked slow.

I think this is the prob, he could be a strong back in certain systems with more power running, maybe if asked to take on more contact in a singleback offense. Our system we love to get wide in the alley and you want the speed to get all the way out there make that one cut and get upfield. Kyle's looking for track athletes in the Mostert/Mitchell mold, Lynch drafted more of a power runner.

It feels like to me that Sermon is going to be the new version of Tevin Coleman. He seems like he's going to be a solid RB, but he's just not going to have the big homerun plays a la Mostert or Mitchell. Even Jeff Wilson looks better because he just runs so angry.

Feels like a waste of a 3rd rounder if we're going to get Tevin Coleman-type productivity, but how does he look in pass protection and on receiving routes?

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by hubbyt:
Sermon isnt slow he just has a patient Leveon Bell type of style which may not work in Kyles scheme. Slow/bad rbs dont get drafted in the 3rd round if at all. Hes just gotta somehow find a way to use his style within this system.

Wut?

Bad running backs get drafted high all the time. What does this even mean?

Re-read what I said. Dont remove words to make a point. The combination of SLOW + BAD rbs dont get drafted in the first 3 rounds. If Sermon was so slow he wouldnt have been the pick there. Did he look slow/bad in college? No, he made plenty of big runs at both OU and OSt. What I see is a style mismatch. The backs that have looked good since Kyle came here all had the same mold. Mostert, Breida, Mitchell and Wilson to a degree. None of them are as big as Sermon and are more pure speed guys. I bet Sermon would shine in a Ravens type run scheme.