RB Trey Sermon

He showed some promising signs in the jags game. I think him & Mitchell will end up being a terrific 1-2 duo

Originally posted by hubbyt:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by hubbyt:
Sermon isnt slow he just has a patient Leveon Bell type of style which may not work in Kyles scheme. Slow/bad rbs dont get drafted in the 3rd round if at all. Hes just gotta somehow find a way to use his style within this system.

Wut?

Bad running backs get drafted high all the time. What does this even mean?

Re-read what I said. Dont remove words to make a point. The combination of SLOW + BAD rbs dont get drafted in the first 3 rounds. If Sermon was so slow he wouldnt have been the pick there. Did he look slow/bad in college? No, he made plenty of big runs at both OU and OSt. What I see is a style mismatch. The backs that have looked good since Kyle came here all had the same mold. Mostert, Breida, Mitchell and Wilson to a degree. None of them are as big as Sermon and are more pure speed guys. I bet Sermon would shine in a Ravens type run scheme.

I worry that we drafted him because he did incredibly well against two teams last year in college...one of which was a 331 yard game while ignoring the rest of his season where he avg'd around 55 Yards per game.

Originally posted by hubbyt:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by hubbyt:
Sermon isnt slow he just has a patient Leveon Bell type of style which may not work in Kyles scheme. Slow/bad rbs dont get drafted in the 3rd round if at all. Hes just gotta somehow find a way to use his style within this system.

Wut?

Bad running backs get drafted high all the time. What does this even mean?

Re-read what I said. Dont remove words to make a point. The combination of SLOW + BAD rbs dont get drafted in the first 3 rounds. If Sermon was so slow he wouldnt have been the pick there. Did he look slow/bad in college? No, he made plenty of big runs at both OU and OSt. What I see is a style mismatch. The backs that have looked good since Kyle came here all had the same mold. Mostert, Breida, Mitchell and Wilson to a degree. None of them are as big as Sermon and are more pure speed guys. I bet Sermon would shine in a Ravens type run scheme.

Sermon has the SAME 10 yard split as Mostert which is elite burst. Top 5 possibly in the nfl. Maybe it won't translate to the field but to call him slow isn't accurate at all

I thought Sermon had some good runs out there. And had the big catch before the half. I hope Mitchell is back and ready to rock vs the Vikings but hopefully Kyle feels more confident with Sermon out there. Honestly I feel like he ran better than Wilson(hoping it's rust for Jeff)

Originally posted by genus49:
I thought Sermon had some good runs out there. And had the big catch before the half. I hope Mitchell is back and ready to rock vs the Vikings but hopefully Kyle feels more confident with Sermon out there. Honestly I feel like he ran better than Wilson(hoping it's rust for Jeff)

Would love for Mitchell to be a go for Sunday, but I have faith Sermon and Wilson will fill in if he can't go.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Personally, I think Kyle has to change up some of the run blocking schemes to take advantage of Sermon's power running and tackle breaking ability. Trying to have Sermon run the outside zone with his lack of speed is I think counter productive. Where I can see Sermon being a key cog in Kyle's offense is being able to catch the ball and being able to block for the other more speedy backs in the 11 or 21 personnel.

Kyle calls a bunch of gap/power runs every single week. Hell, Deebo was running power/counter yesterday.

Mitchell does just fine in the base wide zone and the supplementary gap/power stuff. Trey Sermon needs to step the f**k up because he's trending towards a(nother) day-2 wasted pick.

I know. But I'd rather have Kyle call the power stuff *for* Sermon. He seems very indecisive on the wide zone stuff. The in between the tackle stuff - he seems to be much more decisive.

I'll lean on Kyle's assessment for now with regards to Sermon, that he's getting better, but I'm with you - smells like another Pettis to me in a different way. Hope I'm wrong.

Sermon = Pettis

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Sermon looked slow.

I think this is the prob, he could be a strong back in certain systems with more power running, maybe if asked to take on more contact in a singleback offense. Our system we love to get wide in the alley and you want the speed to get all the way out there make that one cut and get upfield. Kyle's looking for track athletes in the Mostert/Mitchell mold, Lynch drafted more of a power runner.

I've always complained about Kyle's fourth QTR run game getting stuffed because it's going east-west instead of north-south and cant put teams away via the run. He's lost two leads in championship games because I think his run game got stuffed in the 4th QTR (to a certain extent). I think possibly this is the solution - a big power back - unlike what Kyle usually prefers. I'm hoping all Kyle needs is to figure out Sermon's strengths and weaknesses and cater to them in adjusting his run scheme.

Originally posted by genus49:
I thought Sermon had some good runs out there. And had the big catch before the half. I hope Mitchell is back and ready to rock vs the Vikings but hopefully Kyle feels more confident with Sermon out there. Honestly I feel like he ran better than Wilson(hoping it's rust for Jeff)

Same here.

The rookie duo of Mitchell and Sermon might eventually happen.

Originally posted by Wubbie:
It feels like to me that Sermon is going to be the new version of Tevin Coleman. He seems like he's going to be a solid RB, but he's just not going to have the big homerun plays a la Mostert or Mitchell. Even Jeff Wilson looks better because he just runs so angry.

Feels like a waste of a 3rd rounder if we're going to get Tevin Coleman-type productivity, but how does he look in pass protection and on receiving routes?

Coleman lost a step once he got here, but he was fast in his prime. He's really not like Coleman at all.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Sermon = Pettis

Um, first of all and obviously hopefully not when it comes to production and panning out here.

But I don't think remotely the same people at all.

Honestly, I just have the feeling that Pettis doesn't even have much of a real desire to play football or do what it takes to succeed. I don't know but if I had to guess he was a guess blessed with top level athleticism through genetics- his father being a not very good hitting but speedy good defense center fielder in major league baseball, that he's a guy who probably took to football in that he had success that came fairly easy to him in high school, even college, and just kind of coasted through. I'd suspect given some adversity he doesn't really have the innate love of football to really work through it and overcome it.

I mean, I could be wrong. I don't know him. He just strikes me as that type though. Anyway, he at least is not our problem/issue anymore.

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Sermon = Pettis

Um, first of all and obviously hopefully not when it comes to production and panning out here.

But I don't think remotely the same people at all.

Honestly, I just have the feeling that Pettis doesn't even have much of a real desire to play football or do what it takes to succeed. I don't know but if I had to guess he was a guess blessed with top level athleticism through genetics- his father being a not very good hitting but speedy good defense center fielder in major league baseball, that he's a guy who probably took to football in that he had success that came fairly easy to him in high school, even college, and just kind of coasted through. I'd suspect given some adversity he doesn't really have the innate love of football to really work through it and overcome it.

I mean, I could be wrong. I don't know him. He just strikes me as that type though. Anyway, he at least is not our problem/issue anymore.

AGree. Some people have the talent but not the drive to be excellent in their field. I mean you have to have the passion for it - General Patton flunked out of West Point and Winston Churchill failed his English class. I think that was a big learning lesson for ShanaLynch - in that mental area. Gotta find the dawgs to run his offense. As NC always says, it's not the size of the dawg in a fight, it's the size of the *fight* in the Dawg.

sermon isn't a mostert-type burner, but his issue is top speed. Trey's 10-yard split was elite, quicker than mitchell - if he looked slow, it was more hesitation.

Originally posted by mtl_49er:
sermon isn't a mostert-type burner, but his issue is top speed. Trey's 10-yard split was elite, quicker than mitchell - if he looked slow, it was more hesitation.

Well whatever it is he doesn't look elite at anything. Mitchell is flat out better in everything