RB Trey Sermon

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by mtl_49er:
sermon isn't a mostert-type burner, but his issue is top speed. Trey's 10-yard split was elite, quicker than mitchell - if he looked slow, it was more hesitation.

Well whatever it is he doesn't look elite at anything. Mitchell is flat out better in everything

what made them move up in the draft and take him then?

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by mtl_49er:
sermon isn't a mostert-type burner, but his issue is top speed. Trey's 10-yard split was elite, quicker than mitchell - if he looked slow, it was more hesitation.

Well whatever it is he doesn't look elite at anything. Mitchell is flat out better in everything

what made them move up in the draft and take him then?

The same voice in Shannys head that told him he needed to put Joe Williams back on the board and pound tables for him, move up in the 2nd and take Pettis and move up in the 3rd for Beathard.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by mtl_49er:
sermon isn't a mostert-type burner, but his issue is top speed. Trey's 10-yard split was elite, quicker than mitchell - if he looked slow, it was more hesitation.

Well whatever it is he doesn't look elite at anything. Mitchell is flat out better in everything

what made them move up in the draft and take him then?

The same voice in Shannys head that told him he needed to put Joe Williams back on the board and pound tables for him, move up in the 2nd and take Pettis and move up in the 3rd for Beathard.

Sermon wouldn't have lasted much longer anyways. Maybe another 20 picks.

Sermon is a good back, he just needs to hit the hole and quit dancing around.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Sermon is a good back, he just needs to hit the hole and quit dancing around.

And quit running into Trent Williams in the backfield.

Originally posted by mtl_49er:
sermon isn't a mostert-type burner, but his issue is top speed. Trey's 10-yard split was elite, quicker than mitchell - if he looked slow, it was more hesitation.

none of this 4.40 or split times mean s**t. They are cute numbers but they do not always translate onto the field.

The 49ers traded two fourth-round picks to climb into the third round to select Sermon, so his relative absence from the offense has been a head-scratching problem.

If he continues taking advantage of the added work though he could surpass the likes of Hasty and Wilson on the depth chart and have a more regular impact like the 49ers anticipated when they made him a third-round pick this year.

https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2021/11/23/kyle-shanahan-trey-sermon-stats-carries/?utm_source=49ersWebZone&utm_medium=dt&utm_campaign=affref

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by mtl_49er:
sermon isn't a mostert-type burner, but his issue is top speed. Trey's 10-yard split was elite, quicker than mitchell - if he looked slow, it was more hesitation.

Well whatever it is he doesn't look elite at anything. Mitchell is flat out better in everything

what made them move up in the draft and take him then?

The same voice in Shannys head that told him he needed to put Joe Williams back on the board and pound tables for him, move up in the 2nd and take Pettis and move up in the 3rd for Beathard.

Sermon wouldn't have lasted much longer anyways. Maybe another 20 picks.

You don't know that, I don't know that, nobody knows that. What we do know is that up to this point, he wasn't worth trading two 4th round picks for when our 6th round pick surpassed him and is clearly better. What we can hope for is that the slow start thing people talk about is true, he's a rookie so there's lots of time for him. His college tape from Oklahoma and later part in Ohio State is good, no denying that.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
The same voice in Shannys head that told him he needed to put Joe Williams back on the board and pound tables for him, move up in the 2nd and take Pettis and move up in the 3rd for Beathard.

Yea, unfortunately almost (maybe every) time that the 49ers move up for a player recently it is a bad decision. Foster, Pettis, Beathard were all fails. I hope they broke that mold with Lance and time will tell. I hope they re-evaluate moving up to let the draft come to them more often.

Originally posted by ltrain:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
The same voice in Shannys head that told him he needed to put Joe Williams back on the board and pound tables for him, move up in the 2nd and take Pettis and move up in the 3rd for Beathard.

Yea, unfortunately almost (maybe every) time that the 49ers move up for a player recently it is a bad decision. Foster, Pettis, Beathard were all fails. I hope they broke that mold with Lance and time will tell. I hope they re-evaluate moving up to let the draft come to them more often.

I think it's OK to take those kinds of chances, as long as you wind up with starters. Azeez, Breida, Mostert, Bourne were all undrafted free agents that became starters - and if Breida is any indication of the kind of starters ShanaLynch are finding every year, you can take chances -- even spend 3 first round draft picks on a player. Remember they whiffed on Reuben, Solomon, Pettis and Joe Williams, and still got to the super bowl. If Breida was a 5th rounder, then guys like Azeez, Mostert, etc.. are in the mid to late round draft pick value.

I know the Joe Woods pick was not something JL wanted, but kyle got him anyway. The others that kyle moved up for we don't know whether there was push back against the "move up" picks. I've posted before the same thing, ie, not to let kyle jump up for some player because his record on doing that was not exemplary. If both JL and F.O think it's a good idea, fine by me. But letting kyle do that…to date has not been all that encouraging. It just seems guys kyle has to have…are usually fraught with FAIL. If there's consensus, fine.

obviously none of us know how many of our picks were just one man wanting a certain player. But overall, i would go with consensus moves up, but not just kyle or just john. And it goes for FAs too. McKinnon was…well, FAIL…and no longer here after contributing virtually nothing. That was a kyle pick but don't know if he was consensus or not. Of course, the GM wants to accommodate his HC when there is a guy he really wants. For whatever reason, tho, kyle has not been at his best when he alone really "has to have" a player, FA, trade or draft.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
I know the Joe Woods pick was not something JL wanted, but kyle got him anyway. The others that kyle moved up for we don't know whether there was push back against the "move up" picks. I've posted before the same thing, ie, not to let kyle jump up for some player because his record on doing that was not exemplary. If both JL and F.O think it's a good idea, fine by me. But letting kyle do that…to date has not been all that encouraging. It just seems guys kyle has to have…are usually fraught with FAIL. If there's consensus, fine.

obviously none of us know how many of our picks were just one man wanting a certain player. But overall, i would go with consensus moves up, but not just kyle or just john. And it goes for FAs too. McKinnon was…well, FAIL…and no longer here after contributing virtually nothing. That was a kyle pick but don't know if he was consensus or not. Of course, the GM wants to accommodate his HC when there is a guy he really wants. For whatever reason, tho, kyle has not been at his best when he alone really "has to have" a player, FA, trade or draft.

If I was John, I'd use the excuse: "Well, Kyle, I talked with Mike [Shanahan] and this is what he said about Joe Williams...."
...and I'm sure Kyle will call his dad up and talk to him about Joe Williams. I think his dad Mike is one of the few people that John and Adam Peters can use to bolster *their* argument that guys like "Joe Williams 2.0" is a bad pick, because Kyle *will* listen to his Dad.

Originally posted by Giedi:
AGree. Some people have the talent but not the drive to be excellent in their field. I mean you have to have the passion for it - General Patton flunked out of West Point and Winston Churchill failed his English class. I think that was a big learning lesson for ShanaLynch - in that mental area. Gotta find the dawgs to run his offense. As NC always says, it's not the size of the dawg in a fight, it's the size of the *fight* in the Dawg.

Slight correction as you might have been thinking of Gen. Patton's first year at West Point that he had to retake because he flunked a math class that year, however he did graduate from West Point.
https://www.history.com/news/10-things-you-may-not-know-about-george-patton

Comparing him to Joe Williams is just dumb. Dude didn't even play a snap for us in a real game.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Well whatever it is he doesn't look elite at anything. Mitchell is flat out better in everything

Mitchell just has more touches. Mitchell also has a slew of short gains if you look at the film. And in the few touches we've seen from Sermon, we've seen short gains, and we've seen him break a couple too. Also seems like he would be great receiving threat out of the backfield for us. Sermon is underutilized.