Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by elguapo:
There you go again throwing out that same story that we know less or don't understand about what they're asked to do when that is not necessarily the case. Not even close. I watched both safeties film and they have not been that impressive. Not top 10 in my opinion and guess what??? Part of a safety's job is making game changing plays like PBU's or getting turnovers. You obviously have a low standard on safeties (and it seems are quick to make excuses and defend their very unremarkable play) much like some have a lower standard for quarterbacks saying exactly what you say about our safeties. I don't make excuses for Jimmy G or talk about his "role" in our offense to cover up for the plays that were there to make. Believe me, just as you say Jimmy G failed to see this, make a throw, avoid a sack and so on the same EXACT instances happen to both our starting safeties.
Try not to get it twisted and be consistent. They are not damn good safeties. You keep saying they do what they're asked to do? Does that mean not making many good plays at all? Getting to the ball too late? I guess that's what our coach tells them, don't ever make a play and especially don't get an int. You can argue all you want about stat chasing but you have to admit any safety thats told to "do their job" should get more PBU's, make more good plays, cover better and get more than two interceptions in seven years. That's a fact
The same reasons you rip Jimmy Garoppolo are the same reasons you should rip these two safeties. All three players I just mentioned are injury prone (Jimmy G Ward and Tartt) and they are not top 10 at their position. Try to make a better argument than that. You just really can't admit that we do not have very good safeties? You sure as hell admit it when it comes to Jimmy G. Come on. I know you never change your mind and get into it with a lot of other fans that disagree with you but my points are very reasonable. Are they not? Just like your points on Jimmy G. He is a solid qb but we need to upgrade. Same goes for both safeties.
Please show me all this film you have and are watching of them not doing what they're asked to do in this scheme?
What does Jimmy have to do with our safeties? Literally just moving goalposts on a completely different subject for no good reason. Jimmy IS limited at what he can do and we see that from the play calls week to week. It's the opposite of what Saleh asked of our safeties....ALSO please show me were I said they're top 10? I most certainly didn't. I'll I've said is this fan base for the most part doesn't appreciate what these guys bring to the table...a bunch of fans are stat evaluators and we see that when debating how amazing Jimmy was in 2019.
I've gotten pissed with them more in part because they can't stay on the field vs their actual play. We see what happens when we lose one or both of them. Sherm talks about how important both guys are to this defense, guess he's in idiot too?
SF has two safeties that are athletic enough to play man coverage vs WR/TE/RBs all game, either can play deep single-high, you can throw them in the slot, or as dime/box safeties....they're so multiple, how is that a bad thing? They allow this defense to be creative in blitz packages and are one of the main reasons we kick ass at stopping defenses on the deep ball. They take great angles, are sound tacklers and can blitz well.
Neither are year in and year our pro-bowlers and they don't get to roam around and take the ball away all game like some safeties (not playing that robber roll where you can break on passes to get INTs) so they won't get the love (clearly based on your opinion) BUT are good at what WE need them to do. I'll bet money guys like THL & Jonny who watch the film will agree, they're far from bad safeties like you keep saying.
You seem to speak in hyperbole and make assumptions? Well, if Sherman said that they are important to our defense then they must be very good safeties....OK. You have said at times "very good" safeties and I quote. Good safeties don't simply just do their job and not make plays. Above average ones do. If you do not want to watch the film or are in denial about how they do miss quite a few opportunities, that's your problem. Then, please show me the film where they aren't missing all of these plays that they could be making. And since you have trouble understanding the double standards involved in some of your posts or at least you don't hold players to an equal standard than thats not my problem. I know I'm not the first to say this. That is exactly why I brought Jimmy G up because it shows the contradiction that you make and you confuse that with accusing me of moving the goalposts? I think you're confused it was an example of how you don't hold a player like Jimmy to the same standard as the safeties. You want Jimmy out and think he's not a good qb (more above average according to you) but defend our safeties and they are injury prone too. Shocking!
Having solid players is nice and all but most teams strive to get the most out of their players and we definitely have a lot of room to improve with our starting safeties. This is what you keep denying and making excuses for their lack of plays being made as well as their injury history which is vast. I just thought you would want better safeties on the 49ers which most fans want. We do need an upgrade at those safety positions whether you want to admit it or not. Just like we needed an upgrade on a quarterback even though many see him as a better player than you do. Sounds kind of funny when you look at it that way doesn't it?
Also, stop saying I only care about interceptions because I've stated this many times that I don't. I want more plays on the ball, ints, game changing plays or stops. You don't have to make that up. Richard Sherman didn't always have a lot of interceptions or pass break ups neither did Nnamdi A and they were a great players. We are not talking about players like that or Jamal Adams from the Seahawks. We are talking about tartt and ward. Haha. So don't even try that.
Anyways, I'll just leave it at that. I just really thought you would agree that it is sensible and necessary to want to upgrade the safety positions. Guess I was wrong
[ Edited by elguapo on Jun 8, 2021 at 4:19 PM ]
and that's not including his injury history. I'm not just talking about stats. There are many great players that don't get many interceptions or PBU's because they are never thrown to. Like Nmandi A on the raiders and some seasons Sherman. 