No rescheduling for outbreak among unvaccinated players.

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:
Indeed they are not being forced, ithey are just putting all the incentives to get the vaccines.
Before it was only the unvaccinated guys would get daily tests and forced to wear masks. Now they know that, if the covid outbreak is detected, and plenty of unvaccinated players test positive, they'll hurt the entire team with a possible forfeit and no payment.
But it hasn't come to suspensions if you're not vaccinated.

Should be a no shoes no service policy. Players that refuse should not be allowed to play. Just watch the mayhem when a hand full of anti vaxers test positive and we have to forefeit.

Originally posted by eastie:
Did you miss the part where civd kills people? Also age and physical condition don't matter to covid so I don't know where the "why would you want to take a vaccine against a virus that has no chance of harming you (a healthy athlete in their prime)" comes from.

God I didn't want to get into this. Yes, COVID kills people. But, it kills certain groups at a far higher rate. The overall average is somewhere around 2%. I am just taking the quickest Google results for the USA: Cases 3.88M, Deaths 64,164. That's 1.65% of those who contract COVID, who go on to die from COVID. Age and physical condition / pre-existing conditions absolutely play a role in the mortality rate of COVID. There are a ton of other factors. But, that would take a far more detailed and time consuming examination, of which this thread is not the place.

I have chosen not to get vaccinated. I take precautions (N95 mask + surgical mask overlay). My choice is not anti-science. Nor is it from some "woke" perspective, as someone claimed on the first page. There simply is not sufficient data on the long term effects of the three major vaccines (M, J&J, and P). And, if FDA approval is granted in Jan. 2022, that may well cause more hesitancy among those who have yet to be vaccinated.

Citing the following page (https://www.uspharmacist.com/article/review-tracks-fda-vaccineapproval-process-over-last-decade), "the median premarket clinical development period (investigational new drug submission to FDA approval) was 8.1 (interquartile range [IQR], 6.1-10.5) years, including a median FDA review period (BLA submission to FDA approval) of 12.0 (10.8-21.0) months." A COVID vaccine gaining FDA approval in Jan. 2022 will make me question how they came to approve the vaccine so quickly. If the science backs up the timeline, so be it. But, lacking scientific evidence to the contrary, makes such quick approval seem politically motivated. And it should not be. FDA approval should be, above all else, based on science.

In addition, it is impossible to know the long term effects of the vaccines, without, you know, there being years to study said effects. It should be obvious to all that's not possible yet, since COVID-19 (I understand there are other coronaviruses) is only a few years old. Also, I think most are aware COVID itself may have long term effects.

In the end, people should take precautions. Both those who have, and have not, been vaccinated. I understand the NFL, and others, wanting to mitigate outbreaks. The players have a choice. It may not be a choice they want to make, but they do have a choice. As for the rest of us, we too have a choice.

NFL is a business. They have smart players getting protected. You don't want protected you deal with being dumb. I see no issues.

So let me get this straight. The only way you'll take a loss is if you have some infected players who are not vaccinated and the game cant be postponed or rescheduled? what if some of your vaccinated players get sick what happens then?

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:
Indeed they are not being forced, ithey are just putting all the incentives to get the vaccines.
Before it was only the unvaccinated guys would get daily tests and forced to wear masks. Now they know that, if the covid outbreak is detected, and plenty of unvaccinated players test positive, they'll hurt the entire team with a possible forfeit and no payment.
But it hasn't come to suspensions if you're not vaccinated.

Should be a no shoes no service policy. Players that refuse should not be allowed to play. Just watch the mayhem when a hand full of anti vaxers test positive and we have to forefeit.

Should be but I'm thinking that would be illegal, so they are circunventing it to force it indirectly which is smart. I just laugh when I read those knucklehead clowns anti vaccers. Hoping soon we are required a covid passport to travel, send kids to school, etc, etc, and watch them cry.
Just hope our team has enough smart people like Fred Warner to get it, so this becomes a non issue. Would love to see Hopkins and Ramsey not playing or losing games because of this, lmao

Originally posted by Raul98:
So let me get this straight. The only way you'll take a loss is if you have some infected players who are not vaccinated and the game cant be postponed or rescheduled? what if some of your vaccinated players get sick what happens then?

Then you don't take the L and the game happens just like it did last season with the Broncos playing without a QB or the 49ers without WRs

Originally posted by Raul98:
So let me get this straight. The only way you'll take a loss is if you have some infected players who are not vaccinated and the game cant be postponed or rescheduled? what if some of your vaccinated players get sick what happens then?

If you dont have enough players to field a team due to an outbreak you forfeit. Rightfully so.
The only penalty your team incurs is added testing during the season if you are under the threshold. Some people are making this into a politcal issue when its not.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by bsyde82:
I'm not trying to start a debate with anyone about covid or the vaccine, and I'm sure many on here will call me a moron or whatever, but surely there must be others on here that don't simply go along with the whole covid response atm? That is, you have valid reasons for not wanting to take the vaccine. Are people aware of the growing reports on VAERS? Yes, I know it's a minimal risk, but if the worst case scenario is death, however how tiny that risk is, why would you want to take a vaccine against a virus that has no chance of harming you (a healthy athlete in their prime)? If people need reminding, the vaccines are only approved under emergency authorization, and never in history have so many people been subjected to what is an experiment (mRNA) vaccine. These are just facts. I assume there are many many others like Deandre who are figuring out what to do.

I took the vaccine but I believe people have every right not to take it and they shouldn't be penalized. Nobody knows the long term effects of these vaccines.

it's a shame the NFL is bowing down to big govt. it's only going to get worse as these socialist gain more political power.

Players have a choice not to be vaccinated. Are you reading something else that says otherwise?

The report is teams will start forfeiting games if unvaccinated players start a covid outbreak on their respective teams.

It doesn't matter if players believe in the vaccine or not, as soon as you hurt the NFL's wallet… you're sure to be punished very harshly.

How is that unfair? If you cant field a team because players are quarantining, what would you expect?

I'm not saying it's unfair at all. I'm just saying it's the reality of the business.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by Raul98:
So let me get this straight. The only way you'll take a loss is if you have some infected players who are not vaccinated and the game cant be postponed or rescheduled? what if some of your vaccinated players get sick what happens then?

If you dont have enough players to field a team due to an outbreak you forfeit. Rightfully so.
The only penalty your team incurs is added testing during the season if you are under the threshold. Some people are making this into a politcal issue when its not.

So if you have a outbreak of unvaccinated players you take the L if you have a outbreak of vaccinated players you go on without them like last year. Makes more sense to me now i feel good and bad about this whole situation. I hope it doesnt come down to this.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by Raul98:
So let me get this straight. The only way you'll take a loss is if you have some infected players who are not vaccinated and the game cant be postponed or rescheduled? what if some of your vaccinated players get sick what happens then?

If you dont have enough players to field a team due to an outbreak you forfeit. Rightfully so.
The only penalty your team incurs is added testing during the season if you are under the threshold. Some people are making this into a politcal issue when its not.

In reality those games when the 49ers played without healthy receivers, and the Broncos without a QB, were wasted of time, as those were no competition.

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by bsyde82:
I'm not trying to start a debate with anyone about covid or the vaccine, and I'm sure many on here will call me a moron or whatever, but surely there must be others on here that don't simply go along with the whole covid response atm? That is, you have valid reasons for not wanting to take the vaccine. Are people aware of the growing reports on VAERS? Yes, I know it's a minimal risk, but if the worst case scenario is death, however how tiny that risk is, why would you want to take a vaccine against a virus that has no chance of harming you (a healthy athlete in their prime)? If people need reminding, the vaccines are only approved under emergency authorization, and never in history have so many people been subjected to what is an experiment (mRNA) vaccine. These are just facts. I assume there are many many others like Deandre who are figuring out what to do.

Did you miss the part where civd kills people? Also age and physical condition don't matter to covid so I don't know where the "why would you want to take a vaccine against a virus that has no chance of harming you (a healthy athlete in their prime)" comes from.

so does the flu

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by Niners_D:
The CDCs history with black Americans is something to consider in this instance aka the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment. The study ended in the 1970's which wasn't that long ago. Considering that 68.7% of the NFL is black, can you blame players who are skeptical of vaccines that aren't expected to be fully approved by the FDA until January?

LOL. WTF. Conspiracy much?

You are joking right? This is a topic that is broadly reported public knowledge. It is so awful that it may sound like a conspiracy, but unfortunately it is very real. Look it up.

Everyone should be vaccinated - I have no problem with the NFL's stance on this. Some people got to learn the hard way.

Originally posted by miked1978:
I took the vaccine but I believe people have every right not to take it and they shouldn't be penalized. Nobody knows the long term effects of these vaccines.

it's a shame the NFL is bowing down to big govt. it's only going to get worse as these socialist gain more political power.

That is true. Outside the long term unknowns as it pertains to the vaccine there are also studies about the long term effects of the virus itself. Damned if you do damned if you don't I guess. I had Covid in February 2020 and it kicked my ass for a week or so. Have only recently gotten around to getting vaccinated myself. That said, while I do sympathize with the players in general I don't know what to make of this whole situation it's certainly a cluster.

There will be more dog and pony shows, like with Bernie, but there are no socialists close to gaining real political power. Firstly, the oligarchs aren't about to tolerate that and, secondly, they've convinced a significant portion of poor and middle class people to think and vote in ways generally against their own best interests and in favor of the oligarchy.

This is dumb. Vaccinated people are getting and spreading Covid as well. This is typical NFL virtue-signaling BS.