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richterkbelmont
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Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Originally posted by BimmerKing:
Dang
Good riddance by the Vikings
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blizzuntz
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Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
Why do they need to get vaccinated if they can still transmit and contract the disease while fully vaccinated?
Tell me you are clueless with out telling me you are clueless
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Heed49er
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Originally posted by Raul98:
So let me get this straight. The only way you'll take a loss is if you have some infected players who are not vaccinated and the game cant be postponed or rescheduled? what if some of your vaccinated players get sick what happens then?
I heard:
Vaccinated players can get retested almost immediately & are back to playing status with 2 passed tests.
Unvaccinated players have to do the 10-day thing.
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richterkbelmont
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Originally posted by Heed49er:
Originally posted by Raul98:
So let me get this straight. The only way you'll take a loss is if you have some infected players who are not vaccinated and the game cant be postponed or rescheduled? what if some of your vaccinated players get sick what happens then?
I heard:
Vaccinated players can get retested almost immediately & are back to playing status with 2 passed tests.
Unvaccinated players have to do the 10-day thing.
Wait. Are vaccinated players getting tested regularly as well, or only if a covid outbreak is detected?
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Phoenix49ers
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Originally posted by BimmerKing:
Dang
Imagine blowing up a million dollar plus+ a year paycheck over not taking a vaccine that hundreds of millions have already taken.
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BleedsRedNGold
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Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Tell me you are clueless with out telling me you are clueless
How about you use this opportunity to educate me.
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Strwy2Hevn
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The Exact Memo sent to teams.
This will summarize key operating principles relating to addressing the continuing Covid-19 threat for the 2021 season. We will review these principles and related matters on the 32-club call this evening. These principles are based on last season's experience and follow discussions that we have had with a number of league committees, medical experts, outside advisors, and many of you. As we learned last year, we can play a full season if we maintain a firm commitment to adhering to our health and safety protocols and to making needed adjustments in response to changing conditions.
These operating principles are designed to allow us to play a full season in a safe and responsible way and address possible competitive or financial issues fairly. While there is no question that health conditions have improved from last year, we cannot be complacent or simply assume that we will be able to play without interruption - either due to Covid outbreaks among our clubs or outbreaks that occur within the larger community. These principles are intended to help inform decisions, recognizing that, as in 2020, we will need to remain flexible and adapt to possibly changing conditions.
Medical Principles
• We will maintain our focus on health and safety, with the well-being of everyone associated with our game remaining our highest priority.
• Nearly all clubs have vaccinated 100 percent of their Tier 1 and 2 staffs. Clubs have put appropriate protocols in place for the relatively few staff who have not been vaccinated, consistent with the guidance given last April. As of today, more than 75 percent of players are in the process of being vaccinated, and more than half the clubs have vaccination rates greater than 80 percent of their players.
• We know that vaccines are safe and effective and are the best step anyone can take to be safe from the coronavirus. The vaccines continue to provide strong immunity against variants of the coronavirus, including the Delta variant. Even with recent increases, new cases remain far below the peak levels of earlier this year. Both the CDC and major hospital systems throughout the country have reported that 97 percent or more of the new cases and virtually all hospitalizations are seen in unvaccinated individuals. While there have been "breakthrough" infections - cases where a vaccinated individual has been infected - those cases tend to be mild and people recover from the infection relatively quickly.
• If a vaccinated person tests positive and is asymptomatic, he or she will be isolated and contact tracing will promptly occur. The positive individual will be permitted to return to duty after two negative tests at least 24-hours apart and will thereafter be tested every two weeks or as directed by the medical staffs. Vaccinated individuals will not be subject to quarantine as a result of close contact with an infected person.
• If an unvaccinated person tests positive, the protocols from 2020 will remain in effect. The person will be isolated for a period of 10 days and will then be permitted to return to duty if asymptomatic. Unvaccinated individuals will continue to be subject to a five-day quarantine period if they have close contact with an infected individual.
• Persons who had a previous Covid infection will be considered fully vaccinated 14 days after they have had at least one dose of an approved vaccine.
• We will remain in close contact with medical and public health authorities at all levels of government, as well as with our own medical advisors and the NFLPA, and will communicate any changes in medical or public health advice promptly.
Competitive Principles
• The league will make every reasonable effort, consistent with underlying health and safety principles, to complete the full 272-game regular season within the current 18 weeks and all postseason games as scheduled, in a safe and responsible way. This is grounded in a commitment to players, coaches, fans, and business partners. We do not anticipate adding a "19th week" to accommodate games that cannot be rescheduled within the current 18 weeks of the regular season.
• Every club is obligated under the Constitution and Bylaws to have its team ready to play at the scheduled time and place. A failure to do so is deemed conduct detrimental. There is no right to postpone a game. Postponements will only occur if required by government authorities, medical experts, or at the Commissioner's discretion.
• In light of the substantial roster flexibility in place for the 2021 season, absent medical considerations or government directives, games will not be postponed or rescheduled simply to avoid roster issues caused by injury or illness affecting multiple players, even within a position group.
• If a game is cancelled/postponed because a club cannot play due to a Covid spike among or resulting from its non-vaccinated players/staff, then the burden of the cancellation or delay will fall on the club experiencing the Covid infection. We will seek to minimize the burden on the opposing club or clubs. If a club cannot play due to a Covid spike in vaccinated individuals, we will attempt to minimize the competitive and economic burden on both participating teams.
• Whether to reschedule a postponed game will be dependent on health and safety reasons at the recommendation of medical experts as well as considerations of stadium availability, schedule integrity, fan convenience, and other appropriate matters.
• If a game cannot be rescheduled within the current 18-week schedule and is cancelled due to a Covid outbreak among non-vaccinated players on one of the competing teams, the club with the outbreak will forfeit the contest and will be deemed to have played 16 games for purposes of draft, waiver priority, etc. For the purposes of playoff seeding, the forfeiting team will be credited with a loss and the other team will be credited with a win.
Financial Principles
• If a game is rescheduled due to a Covid outbreak among unvaccinated players on one of the competing teams, the club experiencing the outbreak will be responsible for all additional expenses incurred by the opposing team and will also be required to pay any shortfall between actual and expected payment to the VTS pool.
• If a game cannot be rescheduled within the current 18-week schedule and is cancelled due to a Covid outbreak among unvaccinated players on one of the competing teams, that club will forfeit the contest and will be responsible for the lost payment to the VTS pool.
• If a game is cancelled and cannot be rescheduled within the current 18-week schedule due to a Covid outbreak, neither team's players will receive their weekly paragraph 5 salary.
If a game is cancelled because of a Covid outbreak among unvaccinated players/staff, in addition to the financial penalties identified above, the Commissioner retains the authority to impose additional sanctions, particularly if the Covid outbreak is reasonably determined to be the result of a failure by club personnel to follow applicable protocols.
• Costs of testing players and staff for Covid-19 during the 2021 season will be paid for as follows: the first $400,000 of each club's actual testing costs will be treated as a league expense. Each club will pay its own actual testing costs as they are incurred and will then be reimbursed after the season for up to $400,000 in actual testing costs. All testing costs in excess of $400,000 will be the responsibility of the club. Eligibility for this reimbursement will depend on full compliance with all Covid-19 related testing protocols in effect for the 2021 season. Any material deviation may result in a club being ineligible for reimbursement, in addition to any other consequences.
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MertonSpanks
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Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Tell me you are clueless with out telling me you are clueless
How about you use this opportunity to educate me.
Can someone "educate" the willfully ignorant?
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TD49ers
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Originally posted by Niners_D:
Originally posted by TD49ers:
This has zero to do with black, white or green people. Everyone of ALL backgrounds are getting vaccinated. The CDC does not govern the world when it comes to the vaccine. All countries have there own approvals.
Roberts Malones opinion and his contribution is subject to debate as he did not invent the vaccine. He provided the platform for inject into cells on mice. That was in 1989. Much further development of the mRNA has obviously taken place since.
Perception of the level of trust with the government from a medical standpoint most certainly varies by life experience which includes race.
Robert Malone's opinion is not subject to debate, as there is currently a lot of misinformation as to who he is and his contributions. It is far more than just the platform to inject. Here are his list of patents:
https://patents.justia.com/inventor/robert-w-malone
That could be view multiple ways. He is pretty far removed from todays vaccine. That is why one should not just rely on one persons opinion to form a decision and then decide there is something nerfarious is going on. Thats called manipulation.
Again, think outside your bubble. The CDC is not a world governing body. The world is moving forward with vaccination with their own independent approvals and alot of countries are using the same type of vaccination which really has nothing to do with the US and past history. The proof is in the pudding.
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Niners_D
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Originally posted by TD49ers:
Originally posted by Niners_D:
Originally posted by TD49ers:
This has zero to do with black, white or green people. Everyone of ALL backgrounds are getting vaccinated. The CDC does not govern the world when it comes to the vaccine. All countries have there own approvals.
Roberts Malones opinion and his contribution is subject to debate as he did not invent the vaccine. He provided the platform for inject into cells on mice. That was in 1989. Much further development of the mRNA has obviously taken place since.
Perception of the level of trust with the government from a medical standpoint most certainly varies by life experience which includes race.
Robert Malone's opinion is not subject to debate, as there is currently a lot of misinformation as to who he is and his contributions. It is far more than just the platform to inject. Here are his list of patents:
https://patents.justia.com/inventor/robert-w-malone
That could be view multiple ways. He is pretty far removed from todays vaccine. That is why one should not just rely on one persons opinion to form a decision and then decide there is something nerfarious is going on. Thats called manipulation.
Again, think outside your bubble. The CDC is not a world governing body. The world is moving forward with vaccination with their own independent approvals and alot of countries are using the same type of vaccination which really has nothing to do with the US and past history. The proof is in the pudding.
I never stated anything nefarious is going (I don't believe that) on nor did I state that I formed my opinion based solely on one expert's opinions (I haven't), nor am I thinking inside any sort of bubble. There are multiple vaccines with varying degrees of risk, and varying global bodies have decided to move forward without a full vesting or understanding of immediate, mid, or short term effects. Most of the concerns themselves are really not with the mRNA technologies but the accompanying spike proteins which disrupts the cooperative function of human cardiac pericytes in some people.
For the record, my wife has been vaccinated which I support and I have not done so yet due to testing positive to the original Covid strain back in February so my body has the defensive components in the T and B cells. I'm simply stating that the data is incomplete and it is completely respectable that people are voicing concerns regarding a new medical technology which is currently being introduced to the population at large as we speak.
Those who have serious concerns about the currently available mRNA synthetic vaccines with spike proteins or non-mRNA synthetic vaccines with spike proteins should be aware that there is an alternative vaccine which is in the final stages of trials being produced by Valneva. If approved it will be the first Covid vaccine created utilizing traditional vaccine technology which is the whole non-synthetic, deactivated virus.
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GoldenFortyNiner
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This is gonna start getting juicy.
wonder who on the Niners isn't vaccinated
